Pruitt addresses slow starts

[cHiZzLeVOL]

IMO you are correct. We have to use the pass to set up the run. It would bother me not if we threw the ball exclusively on our first possession unless we're 3rd & short or a yard away from the goal line.

Yes, it’s funny because a lot of guys are like well you have to be able to run the ball.

Well like you said if you can pass the ball, you pass it until they can stop it and mix in some runs as well and you are naturally going to open up the run game. It’s the vice versa effect.

 

[EODVOL]

I couldn't disagree more.

Well coached teams full of 19 year olds don't make some of the mistakes we've seen. Well coached teams come out ready to play and finish strong. This applies to all teams not just football and not just college.

Not saying this staff can't get there but right now they are dealing with their own learning curve and the fan base will just have to hope they get it figured out sooner rather than later.

Sounds as though u are blaming the staff entirely. The talent just isn't there. Granted the coaching staff is learning as well, but it isn't their first rodeo in teaching and leading young men. Some kids just don't get it, but the staff still has to field the best option.

 

[GetYouSomeofThat]

Oh, a superbly disciplined program of lads can reduce the amount of 19-year-old distraction (no coach can eliminate it entirely). But that takes years to establish a culture within the program, one that everyone buys into, and the new guys coming in are too small a minority to affect, so they get indocctrinated, too.

A first-year coach isn't ever going to have that degree of control. Ever.

So you're stating that next year we will see a marked improvement in stupid penalties and mental errors? If so, what have you seen this season that makes you believe this staff is any better than the last 4?

 

[GetYouSomeofThat]

Sounds as though u are blaming the staff entirely. The talent just isn't there. Granted the coaching staff is learning as well, but it isn't their first rodeo in teaching and leading young men. Some kids just don't get it, but the staff still has to field the best option.

I'm not convinced there is this dramatic lack of talent that many on here claim.

With that said, most of it is on the coaches. While we aren't nearly as talented as Alabama there is no way in hell WVU and Florida are that far ahead of us in the talent pool. All three of which handled us easily.

I do hope this staff gets their stuff together and we are scrambling for another coach in a few years. At this point I've yet to see much that makes me believe this guys are the one to put UT football back on the map. I will be very happy if I'm wrong but have this sinking feeling I won't be very excited about UT football in 3 more years.

 

[GBOVFL88]

Although scripting leaves room to be desired, there is only so much Helton can do with the O line that we have. He has to make adjustments to improve pass pro and run blocking as he sees the blitz packages and the line stunts develop. Our guys aren’t good enough to see those things and get back to the sideline after a series or two and tell him what’s happening in the trenches. An experienced and skilled line and QB recognize things like that after 6-8 downs and tells the coach what’s happening or the center and QB make audible adjustments real time. We will get there, but I think more of the onus lies on players recognizing schemes and increasing their football IQ as a unit.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

So you're stating that next year we will see a marked improvement in stupid penalties and mental errors? If so, what have you seen this season that makes you believe this staff is any better than the last 4?

No, I didn't say that at all.

 

[volintheham]

So you're stating that next year we will see a marked improvement in stupid penalties and mental errors? If so, what have you seen this season that makes you believe this staff is any better than the last 4?

I’ll go ahead and say it, “yes”, you will start seeing improvement in both those areas.

What have I seen you say? We went on the the road and upset a ranked SECW team. Hell, the last time we have beaten a SECW team on the road was against Miss State in 2007 and I have no idea when the last time we upset a team being 19.5 pt dogs. Sugar Vols?

 

[VolsnRavens]

When you are getting beat like a Lars Ulrich drum kit, you need to look at all phases of the game. The offense might not be scoring, but the defense is like a sieve.

You, sir, get a like for using Lars Ulrich's name in a football forum. Go Vols Ride the Lightening and strike down the chickens!!!

 

[BeecherVol]

The coach. Why is that difficult to understand?

If you're teaching anyone something and they aren't "getting it", simply move to a different method/manner of teaching. Not everyone learns the same way. I will guarantee you the greatest coaches teach their system to each player in a manner that player can understand. Maybe CJP needs someone to send him Pat's books Reach for the Summit and Sum It Up.

Pat Head would also be the first to tell you that she doesn't have time to motivate you to play hard, pay attention, or "do things the right way" either. You have to make that decision. If you don't jump in with both feet thats on you and its next man up thats willing.

Thats not to say she didn't motivate her players, staff , GA's, towel boys, and janitors with her work ethic to be the best they could be, just that they had bought in to her demands and philosophy on the front end and just need direction. She created a unique dynasty in that regard. She'll be the first to tell you that it didn't happen immediately.

 

[BeecherVol]

I’ll go ahead and say it, “yes”, you will start seeing improvement in both those areas.

What have I seen you say? We went on the the road and upset a ranked SECW team. Hell, the last time we have beaten a SECW team on the road was against Miss State in 2007 and I have no idea when the last time we upset a team being 19.5 pt dogs. Sugar Vols?

I don't know where UT ranked in penalties last year but they are in the top 2 with Vandy depending on which stat you pick this year.

 

[midtnvol2]

Refreshing to see a head coach that addresses issues head on and doesn't ignore or dodge them. Much better than what we had in the past.

 

[BeecherVol]

I'm not convinced there is this dramatic lack of talent that many on here claim.

With that said, most of it is on the coaches. While we aren't nearly as talented as Alabama there is no way in hell WVU and Florida are that far ahead of us in the talent pool. All three of which handled us easily.

I do hope this staff gets their stuff together and we are scrambling for another coach in a few years. At this point I've yet to see much that makes me believe this guys are the one to put UT football back on the map. I will be very happy if I'm wrong but have this sinking feeling I won't be very excited about UT football in 3 more years.

Its a discussion that has been had going all the way back to the spring.

The team has some talented players on both sides of the ball. They are also talented players that have been poorly developed individually by the previous circus that was in town. Anyone that has been in and around the program the last 5 years will tell you as much. Many looking from the outside (not affiliated with UT) have agreed. UT has pretty good 1 deep talent. You won't compete very well in this league with that. That lack of development also included probably the biggest blunder of all (which took some doing) in the S&C program. Your second comment is spot on. Its "on the coaches" just not the ones you re subscribing to at this point.

Jumping to the conclusion 7 games in when he's on track to hit the number of wins and finish where most thought he would is rather silly. He may not succeed here and may be fired in 3 or 4 years but it won't be based off how quick he can get the carnival barkers paper talent up to speed.

 

[GetYouSomeofThat]

Its a discussion that has been had going all the way back to the spring.

The team has some talented players on both sides of the ball. They are also talented players that have been poorly developed individually by the previous circus that was in town. Anyone that has been in and around the program the last 5 years will tell you as much. Many looking from the outside (not affiliated with UT) have agreed. UT has pretty good 1 deep talent. You won't compete very well in this league with that. That lack of development also included probably the biggest blunder of all (which took some doing) in the S&C program. Your second comment is spot on. Its "on the coaches" just not the ones you re subscribing to at this point.

Jumping to the conclusion 7 games in when he's on track to hit the number of wins and finish where most thought he would is rather silly. He may not succeed here and may be fired in 3 or 4 years but it won't be based off how quick he can get the carnival barkers paper talent up to speed.

and yet I'm not the one jumping to conclusions. I'm the one saying maybe they are the guys but at this point there is no evidence to support that assertion.

Others however, seem to have anointed CJP as the next Neyland and all who believe otherwise are fools.

I hope he is the next great thing but at this point there is zero evidence to support this staff and the HC as anything other than runnof the mill D1 college coaches.

 

[BeecherVol]

and yet I'm not the one jumping to conclusions. I'm the one saying maybe they are the guys but at this point there is no evidence to support that assertion.

Others however, seem to have anointed CJP as the next Neyland and all who believe otherwise are fools.

I hope he is the next great thing but at this point there is zero evidence to support this staff and the HC as anything other than runnof the mill D1 college coaches.

How many "others" are claiming Pruitt to be the next Neyland? I know some are impressed with him so far but I honestly don't think Ive seen that posted much less by enough people to garner any attention.

 

[BeecherVol]

The coach. Why is that difficult to understand?

If you're teaching anyone something and they aren't "getting it", simply move to a different method/manner of teaching. Not everyone learns the same way. I will guarantee you the greatest coaches teach their system to each player in a manner that player can understand. Maybe CJP needs someone to send him Pat's books Reach for the Summit and Sum It Up.

This is one of those conclusions your claiming your not making.

 

[MiramarVol]

Ugh more meaningless QB comparison stats. A 63% completion rate vs 57%? Really? According to EXPERTS the difference between JG and KC is in the INTANGIBLES which by definition can be OBSERVED but not measured.

But as far as our coaching staff is concerned the biggest difference seems to be in ELIGIBILITY not present game management skills per se. They’re building for the future at the expense of the present if need be.

First year coaches always get a pass. Fans just have to grin and bear it.

Yes I’m saying I believe KC gives us the better chance to win now vs JG. You can count me firmly in that camp. But KC’s an outsider who won’t be here next year so even if he started every game and we won them all that gives our coaching staff nothing to build on next season. That’s why KC is NEVER gonna start a game for the Vols unless JG is too banged up to go. Don’t hold your breath. They’ll send JG out in a wheelchair if they have to.

I’m NOT saying our staff has written off this season but I do think they’ve discounted it ie all the current info on JG is widely known and they’re willing to accept lower probabilities of success for the remainder of our season in hopes he’ll develop for the future. Not what any frustrated Volfan wants to hear re this season I know.

Will the light ever fully come on for JG? Hopefully but personally I’m not sold. I’d recruit over JG in this class; Shrout is just a project. Just my .02

If you're calling Danielson an expert, you're really fried. Everyone knows he hates us and everything about us.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Others however, seem to have anointed CJP as the next Neyland and all who believe otherwise are fools.

I hope he is the next great thing but at this point there is zero evidence to support this staff and the HC as anything other than runnof the mill D1 college coaches.

I haven't seen more than one or two outliers among VolNation who have anointed Pruitt the second coming of General Neyland. And they're not even in this thread, that I've seen.

I think you're creating a strawman to do battle against. No one here is saying Pruitt is predestined to succeed.

 

[Vol Main]

[QUOTE="EZE, post: 15938954, member: 17474]The offense might not be scoring, but the defense is like a sieve.[/QUOTE]

That is no way to win football games. jmho

 

[BeecherVol]

I haven't seen more than one or two outliers among VolNation who have anointed Pruitt the second coming of General Neyland. And they're not even in this thread, that I've seen.

I think you're creating a strawman to do battle against. No one here is saying Pruitt is predestined to succeed.

Cudoz for finding them.

I be seen many that like his approach a believe he can be good. None to the extent that think in the future we will be playing at Neyland Pruiit Stadium.

Sounds like an exaggeration as you put it.

 

[GetYouSomeofThat]

I haven't seen more than one or two outliers among VolNation who have anointed Pruitt the second coming of General Neyland. And they're not even in this thread, that I've seen.

I think you're creating a strawman to do battle against. No one here is saying Pruitt is predestined to succeed.

Yet any critique of him is met with much resistance. Even in this thread.

Not a strawman but a simple deduction that anyone that has watched this team this season and consistently pushes back against anything less than praise of CJP and staff have him crowned the savior of the program.You know perfect.


There are many on here who state that he was the best choice for the program even though CJP was somewhere around our 7th choice. Added to the fact that no other P5 program offered him publicly leads one to believe those folks likely see him as greater than he is.


With all that said; I hope I am wrong and they are right. I hope these guys figure it out and get us back to winning 10+ games per season on a regular basis.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Yet any critique of him is met with much resistance. Even in this thread.

Not a strawman but a simple deduction that anyone that has watched this team this season and consistently pushes back against anything less than praise of CJP and staff have him crowned the savior of the program.You know perfect.


There are many on here who state that he was the best choice for the program even though CJP was somewhere around our 7th choice. Added to the fact that no other P5 program offered him publicly leads one to believe those folks likely see him as greater than he is.


With all that said; I hope I am wrong and they are right. I hope these guys figure it out and get us back to winning 10+ games per season on a regular basis.

You really are just tilting at windmills, brother.

People are going to disagree with you on certain points. That doesn't mean they're defending Pruitt to the death or think he's superman. And it also doesn't mean they disagree with you entirely. They may simply disagree with some element of your position.

Life is not an on-off switch. There are a thousand-thousand shades of gray (not to mention millions of colors, tints and shades) between black and white, and people will have opinions all along that spectrum.

No need to wear the Fight Me! shirt, no one here has taken the extreme position you're arguing against.