Proof of the election fraud

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volgr said:
Ahh, and somehow this horrible candidate got lots of new people to join the team evidently. Come on, stop with the cognitive dissonance.
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And Biden got more to join his. They can both still be horrible candidates
 
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volgr said:
Also, you're assertion is incorrect that Trump was a horrible candidate. He picked up more votes than any incumbent President in history. His problem was, it wasn't enough to get outside the margin of fraud (and this isn't a blame the left deal, this happened in Red States whose leadership despised Trump - see AZ, GA, etc). The fraud was largely establishment GOP stabbing Trump in the back. They wanted him gone as much as the Left.
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... and Joe Biden picked up 7 million more votes than Trump, and won the electoral college vote by a count of 306 to 232. Who cares if Trump received "more votes than any incumbent President in history"? That doesn't matter one damn bit.
 
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volgr said:
Ahh, and somehow this horrible candidate got lots of new people to join the team evidently. Come on, stop with the cognitive dissonance.
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Trump lost 5 states that he had won in 2016 (Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia and Arizona) while failing to flip any of the states he had lost in 2016. There is nothing to indicate that Trump could ever beat a Democrat not named Hillary Clinton in the general election.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
... and Joe Biden picked up 7 million more votes than Trump, and won the electoral college vote by a count of 306 to 232. Who cares if Trump received "more votes than any incumbent President in history"? That doesn't matter one damn bit.
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I didn't say it did other than the point of him being popular. Why are you taking that comment so hard?

It goes to show he wasn't a horrible candidate. Quite the opposite. Obama, the supposed most popular President in modern history, lost votes millions of votes between 2008 and 2012. If Trump ran today, he would wipe the floor with any GOP challenger including Romney, Bush or McCain if he were still alive. He is the most popular person in the GOP today and the second most popular would probably be Ron DeSantis or whomever Trump picks to be his successor.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Trump lost 5 states that he had won in 2016 (Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia and Arizona) while failing to flip any of the states he had lost in 2016. There is nothing to indicate that Trump could ever beat a Democrat not named Hillary Clinton in the general election.
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That looks good on paper, but when you dive into actual numbers you see there is a high likelihood he won 3 of those States and a decent chance he won the other 2. In a non-COVID non mail-in fraud election, Trump beats Biden and any Dem challenger, easily. Trump has a large diverse base of enthusiastic voters, what he doesn't have is political support, infrastructure or power. So when these States want to eff around with their elections, he has no way to stop it.
 
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volgr said:
I didn't say it did other than the point of him being popular. Why are you taking that comment so hard?

It goes to show he wasn't a horrible candidate. Quite the opposite. Obama, the supposed most popular President in modern history, lost votes millions of votes between 2008 and 2012. If Trump ran today, he would wipe the floor with any GOP challenger including Romney, Bush or McCain if he were still alive. He is the most popular person in the GOP today and the second most popular would probably be Ron DeSantis or whomever Trump picks to be his successor.
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That just shows the stupidity and desperation of the gop
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
... and Joe Biden picked up 7 million more votes than Trump, and won the electoral college vote by a count of 306 to 232. Who cares if Trump received "more votes than any incumbent President in history"? That doesn't matter one damn bit.
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If you think Biden picked up 10 million more votes than Obama in 2008, then you'll believe anything.
 
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volgr said:
I didn't say it did other than the point of him being popular. Why are you taking that comment so hard?

It goes to show he wasn't a horrible candidate. Quite the opposite. Obama, the supposed most popular President in modern history, lost votes millions of votes between 2008 and 2012. If Trump ran today, he would wipe the floor with any GOP challenger including Romney, Bush or McCain if he were still alive. He is the most popular person in the GOP today and the second most popular would probably be Ron DeSantis or whomever Trump picks to be his successor.
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Trump is very popular within the Republican Party, but in order to win a general election, he would have to be up against an incredibly weak Democrat. I really don't think he could beat anyone other than Hillary. The "socialist" label didn't stick to Biden very well.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Trump is very popular within the Republican Party, but in order to win a general election, he would have to be up against an incredibly weak Democrat. I really don't think he could beat anyone other than Hillary. The "socialist" label didn't stick to Biden very well.
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He was up against one of the weakest and still lost
 
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utvolpj said:
That just shows the stupidity and desperation of the gop
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It goes to show there is a populist uprising the GOP donor base hopes there is enough money to suppress. Actually most of the GOP big money donor base gave up wasting money fighting it and took their money to the Left. Wall Street Joe is everything the Left hated about GW Bush, but hey, he doesn't tweet mean things.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Trump is very popular within the Republican Party, but in order to win a general election, he would have to be up against an incredibly weak Democrat. I really don't think he could beat anyone other than Hillary. The "socialist" label didn't stick to Biden very well.
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No, Trump isn't popular within the Republican Party. He is popular among some Republican Party voters. There is a huge difference. Perdue and Loeffler found out that difference. House Republicans found out the difference in 2018 when Trump wasn't on the ticket. 2020 House Republicans found out the difference when he was. This is why the Dems are trying to keep Trump off the 2024 ticket. They lose the House with Trump on the ticket and possibly the Senate/Presidency as well.
 
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volgr said:
I didn't say it did other than the point of him being popular. Why are you taking that comment so hard?

It goes to show he wasn't a horrible candidate. Quite the opposite. Obama, the supposed most popular President in modern history, lost votes millions of votes between 2008 and 2012. If Trump ran today, he would wipe the floor with any GOP challenger including Romney, Bush or McCain if he were still alive. He is the most popular person in the GOP today and the second most popular would probably be Ron DeSantis or whomever Trump picks to be his successor.
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Nothing worse than a bunch of republicans slobbering over a democrat.
 
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utvolpj said:
He was up against one of the weakest and still lost
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He lost because his own Party threw States to stab him in the back. Again, he isn't popular in the Republican Party. This is a myth. Most of the GOP leadership despise him, including many GOP Governors.

The GOP will not be competitive with the Left if they don't endorse and support the populist working class uprising Trump cultivated. McConnell and Cheney must be thrown overboard in a public fashion by the Party or all those millions of Trump voters go back in hiding and the GOP gets embarrassed across the board in 22.
 
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volgr said:
That looks good on paper, but when you dive into actual numbers you see there is a high likelihood he won 3 of those States and a decent chance he won the other 2. In a non-COVID non mail-in fraud election, Trump beats Biden and any Dem challenger, easily. Trump has a large diverse base of enthusiastic voters, what he doesn't have is political support, infrastructure or power. So when these States want to eff around with their elections, he has no way to stop it.
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That is comical.
 
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volgr said:
He lost because his own Party threw States to stab him in the back. Again, he isn't popular in the Republican Party. This is a myth. Most of the GOP leadership despise him, including many GOP Governors.

The GOP will not be competitive with the Left if they don't endorse and support the populist working class uprising Trump cultivated. McConnell and Cheney must be thrown overboard in a public fashion by the Party or all those millions of Trump voters go back in hiding and the GOP gets embarrassed across the board in 22.
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This idea that Trump is some magic voice of the people is amazing. He couldn't care less and is simply into the marketing which is about his only strength. That should have become obvious when it was time to actually lead something and he acquiesced to Fauci as the voice of his admin. Not to mention the outrageous debt he accumulated trying to please everyone.
 
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volgr said:
He lost because his own Party threw States to stab him in the back. Again, he isn't popular in the Republican Party. This is a myth. Most of the GOP leadership despise him, including many GOP Governors.

The GOP will not be competitive with the Left if they don't endorse and support the populist working class uprising Trump cultivated. McConnell and Cheney must be thrown overboard in a public fashion by the Party or all those millions of Trump voters go back in hiding and the GOP gets embarrassed across the board in 22.
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How does one argue with this sort of logic? Smh. Whatever, dude. LOL.
 
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Sandman 423 said:
Nothing worse than a bunch of republicans slobbering over a democrat.
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Valid point. Maybe an actual Conservative can figure out Trump's secret sauce, that is if they can break themselves away from working that big donor gherkin long enough to.
 
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utvolpj said:
This idea that Trump is some magic voice of the people is amazing. He couldn't care less and is simply into the marketing which is about his only strength. That should have become obvious when it was time to actually lead something and he acquiesced to Fauci as the voice of his admin. Not to mention the outrageous debt he accumulated trying to please everyone.
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On that I largely agree. He was a terrible politician in execution but he figured out how to tap into the growing resentment with not only DC but within the GOP itself. GW Bush and the Neocons killed the Party and Trump timed his emergence and message perfectly. Goes to show how much the GOP neglected their base that Trump could come in and become a God like hero. Is what it is.
 
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volgr said:
On that I largely agree. He was a terrible politician in execution but he figured out how to tap into the growing resentment with not only DC but within the GOP itself. GW Bush and the Neocons killed the Party and Trump timed his emergence and message perfectly. Goes to show how much the GOP neglected their base that Trump could come in and become a God like hero. Is what it is.
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So do you want a guy whose only trait is getting elected once or do you want to find a leader who actually has some similar values? You think the gop base is made up of trumpers?

Trump does marketing. He does not do actions and is not a leader.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Trump lost 5 states that he had won in 2016 (Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia and Arizona) while failing to flip any of the states he had lost in 2016. There is nothing to indicate that Trump could ever beat a Democrat not named Hillary Clinton in the general election.
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How many of those 5 states mysteriously paused voting in the middle of the night and then had ballot dumps come in at 3 or for in the morning.

How do you explain being able to take the actual time stamps of votes coming in and Trump actually losing votes over a 10 minute period. This is not an opinion. This is a fact that cannot be denied.

There were so many election rules that were broken or changed at the last minute, all benefiting the same candidate and we are just supposed to accept the results and if we question them we are labeled right wing extremists. I got news for you. We aren't backing down and we will only become more and more vocal as Biden continues to do everything he possibly can to destroy our great nation.
 
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All one has to do is study the Perot campaign and the Ron Paul Revolution to understand the growing resentment with Establishment GOP that festered for decades. Add that with moderates on the Left who were left behind by their Party too. Ron Paul was the release valve the GOP didn't allow to blow. By doing so, they now have only themselves to blame for Trump running their Party. Mitt Romney and John McCain as your Party flag bearers? Mitt Romney and John McCain????? And you wonder why Trump is running your Party now?
 
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volgr said:
All one has to do is study the Perot campaign and the Ron Paul Revolution to understand the growing resentment with Establishment GOP that festered for decades. Add that with moderates on the Left who were left behind by their Party too. Ron Paul was the release valve the GOP didn't allow to blow. By doing so, they now have only themselves to blame for Trump running their Party. Mitt Romney and John McCain as your Party flag bearers? Mitt Romney and John McCain????? And you wonder why Trump is running your Party now?
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Ron Paul = Donald Trump?
 
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utvolpj said:
So do you want a guy whose only trait is getting elected once or do you want to find a leader who actually has some similar values? You think the gop base is made up of trumpers?

Trump does marketing. He does not do actions and is not a leader.
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Trump is a leader and he isn't afraid to take arrows for positions (obviously), but he has no clue how to govern. He needs to take the next couple years and build out his political infrastructure. I don't know if his ego will allow him to critically evaluate his Presidency but if not, he's doomed to repeat the same critical mistakes.

You can't denounce the establishment GOP in the Primary then have them make up the majority of your staff. He had very few loyalists he could trust which led to him trusting his family like Kushner and Ivanka (who are largely politically Left and should not have been on staff for the very reason they were family). Stephen Miller, Bannon, Jason Miller, even Mark Meadows is pretty good. Those are the guys who he should be leaning on.

I think Ann Coulter said we need Trumpism without Trump. I can live with that, but there are very few who can do and endure what Trump does and win.
 
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