Proof Kiffin exceeded other SEC fans expectations

#3
#3
Ha, a lot of them had UT 5th or 6th in the east. Some genius had Bama 4th in the west.

And then there's this gem from an SC fan:

Anyone who puts Tennesee over South Carolina needs to step back and evaluate, then re-evaluate, then get a second opinion, then evaluate one more time, their life.
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#4
#4
Anyone who puts Tennesee over South Carolina needs to step back and evaluate, then re-evaluate, then get a second opinion, then evaluate one more time, their life.
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That is classic....of course it is from a uscjr fan, I guess we now know who really needs to reevaluate now.
 
#5
#5
Ole Miss 11-1 7-1 :crazy:
LSU 10-2 6-2
Alabama 9-3 5-3 :crazy:
Arkansas 6-6 3-5
Auburn 5-7 2-6
MIA State 3-9 0-8

Florida 12-0 8-0
UGA 9-3 5-3 :crazy:
USC 7-5 4-4
Tennessee 7-5 4-4
Kentucky 6-6 3-5
Vandy 5-7 2-5 :crazy:

This person was spot on with UT
 
#6
#6
Haha...this USC jr fan had been pumping gas all day and the fumes had him very confused
 
#8
#8
buckeyevol23 said:
Ha, a lot of them had UT 5th or 6th in the east. Some genius had Bama 4th in the west.

And then there's this gem from an SC fan:
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"Anyone who puts Tennesee over South Carolina needs to step back and evaluate, then re-evaluate, then get a second opinion, then evaluate one more time, their life."

Clearly the superior coach won that match-up. :good!:
 
#10
#10
Record wise, CLK didn't really exceed my expectations and didn't attain what I had hoped. They lost some games early that they clearly should have won. I understand it took time for them to really begin to gel in his system and way of doing things so this shouldn't be taken as a criticism.

I think Fulmer would have attained about the same record had he been kept. He probably would have beaten UCLA but lost to someone else, probably USCe. However, the direction wouldn't have changed. The internal and external attitude toward UT wouldn't have changed... and we'd all be less hopeful. The fan base would still be divided but leaning heavily against Fulmer further diminishing the program's image. Recruiting would probably have continued to deteriorate and especially on D... Lord am I ever thankful that Miles now has Chavis...

In short, I don't think this year was necessarily an improvement over what CPF would have done. It didn't reach my hopes. However I am very, very positive about UT's near term future whereas I stopped having hope when CPF flopped so badly last year.
 
#11
#11
We are about where I thought, 6-6 7-5. but I think CPF would have had a worse record. Our coaching won us some of those games that CPF wouldn't have. It really showed this year how much difference a good staff can make.
 
#12
#12
sjt18 said:
Record wise, CLK didn't really exceed my expectations and didn't attain what I had hoped. They lost some games early that they clearly should have won. I understand it took time for them to really begin to gel in his system and way of doing things so this shouldn't be taken as a criticism.

I think Fulmer would have attained about the same record had he been kept. He probably would have beaten UCLA but lost to someone else, probably USCe. However, the direction wouldn't have changed. The internal and external attitude toward UT wouldn't have changed... and we'd all be less hopeful. The fan base would still be divided but leaning heavily against Fulmer further diminishing the program's image. Recruiting would probably have continued to deteriorate and especially on D... Lord am I ever thankful that Miles now has Chavis...

In short, I don't think this year was necessarily an improvement over what CPF would have done. It didn't reach my hopes. However I am very, very positive about UT's near term future whereas I stopped having hope when CPF flopped so badly last year.
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I don't think fulmer would have achieved the same record. Crompton and Hardesty almost certainly would not have produced as well as they did under Kiffin, both because of their own personal development (under the supervision of our new staff) and the progress of the o-line, which had deteriorated heinously since 2004 and would have been a train wreck this year. Penalties, discipline and the related execution, and in game adjustments have improved incredibly this year. Play calling was astronomically better this year than recent memory.

I think we would have finished 5-7 under fulmer, only winning W KY, Ohio, Memphis and Vandy, and maybe UCLA or Georgia, depending on their own miscues.

The florida and alabama games would have been unwatchable.

We'll never know, but the direction that the program was headed was certain and unmistakable. Blood was in the water and the ship was going down.
 
#13
#13
There is no way in Hell Fulmer would have had the same record! We still lose to UCLA - What makes anyone think Fulmer wins this one - '08 UCLA much worst. Ohio we lose. USCjr we lose. Crompton would have been benched and we would have played musical chairs all year. We would have folded with all the injuries on the OL. Aaron Doulgas would have never played tackle. 7-5 looking at the WHOLE PACKAGE - great year. of course my 2 cents. Who knows Fulmer could have gone 10-0, thats with Jimmie Clausen of course.
 
#14
#14
Everyone is entitled to an opinion and GJ is dead on when he said that Bama and UF would have been massacres. At the same time, there wouldn't have been a new system to learn and some of the guys CLK chased off would have played "valuable" roles in beating UCLA and possibly Aub. I think Coleman probably would have been the starting QB for instance and would have performed better early and very well against lesser competition. I think Clawson's O in the second year would have been good enough to produce the points needed to win games.

CLK IS doing the right things IMO. He HAS done the right things IMO. But those things have had a cost in W-L. No question UT is headed in a positive direction right now under Kiffin. No question it still would have been mired in the muck under CPF. I simply believe that their W-L record was on the lower end of their potential or at best the middle.

If the Vols who romped over USCe and UGA were present when they played UCLA and Aub... then UT is a 9-3 football team. They aren't IMO because it took time for the program to gel after all the changes.
 
#15
#15
BTW, I have no problem with Kiffin causing any of those guys to leave including Coleman. He had to break some eggs and did.
 
#17
#17
If Fulmer is still here, we lose to UGA, USCjr, and the UK streak ends. All other results remain as they are. Final record: 4-8, which would have been the first 8-loss team in UT history, and would have left Ohio State as the only program to never have 8+ losses in a season.
 
#19
#19
Kiffin should be SEC coach of the year, but the SEC will probably hose UT again and give it to Meyer or Saban.
 
#20
#20
sjt18 said:
Everyone is entitled to an opinion and GJ is dead on when he said that Bama and UF would have been massacres. At the same time, there wouldn't have been a new system to learn and some of the guys CLK chased off would have played "valuable" roles in beating UCLA and possibly Aub. I think Coleman probably would have been the starting QB for instance and would have performed better early and very well against lesser competition. I think Clawson's O in the second year would have been good enough to produce the points needed to win games.

CLK IS doing the right things IMO. He HAS done the right things IMO. But those things have had a cost in W-L. No question UT is headed in a positive direction right now under Kiffin. No question it still would have been mired in the muck under CPF. I simply believe that their W-L record was on the lower end of their potential or at best the middle.

If the Vols who romped over USCe and UGA were present when they played UCLA and Aub... then UT is a 9-3 football team. They aren't IMO because it took time for the program to gel after all the changes.
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We will never know but saying that year 2 of the Clawson offense would have been an improvement may be stretching it. Remember, the players never bought into his system and with that attitude carrying over into year two, it's doubtful that to see the offense averaging over 25 or more points a game.

In defense of your point though, BGU under Clawson's direction scored an avg. of 29 PPG in 2009. While UT's OC, the 2008 offense scored an avg. of 18 PPG.
 
#21
#21
I've said 7 regular season wins plus a bowl win for 8 total wins for a long time now. What I wasnt expecting was the offense to come along - everyone knew, or should've known that the defense was good and would only be better with Monte there.
 
#22
#22
sjt18 said:
Everyone is entitled to an opinion and GJ is dead on when he said that Bama and UF would have been massacres. At the same time, there wouldn't have been a new system to learn and some of the guys CLK chased off would have played "valuable" roles in beating UCLA and possibly Aub. I think Coleman probably would have been the starting QB for instance and would have performed better early and very well against lesser competition. I think Clawson's O in the second year would have been good enough to produce the points needed to win games.
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I really don't think so on Coleman. If the passes he attempted against Vandy were as good as he had in him after a year of learning the system, I don't think he would have been much better than 2008 Crompton/Stephens. And the OL would have been absolutely brutalized (not that they excelled, anyway) against UCLA without the way, way better coaching they got this past offseason. I also don't think Hardesty would have been nearly as successful, both because he wouldn't have Gran coaching him up and because the OL would be horrible. Also, without Kiffin, would Waggner have been our starting FS all year? I think with all that factored in, we'd have had the same early record. We'd then lose to UGA. At 2-4, the wheels would come off.
 
#23
#23
ETV said:
In defense of your point though, BGU under Clawson's direction scored an avg. of 29 PPG in 2009. While UT's OC, the 2008 offense scored an avg. of 18 PPG.
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Bowling Green's QB was excelling from game 1 of the Clawson era. All of our QBs sucked throughout his entire stay in Knoxville. I don't think things would have improved drastically in 2009. I suppose the Clemson third-stringer could have come in, but I doubt he'd be that much of a difference-maker.
 
#24
#24
How does anyone think we go 7-5 under fulmer. Did they watch the games last year? crompton would have played just as bad as he did last year under fulmer, if not worse. What do you think a light bulb went off in cromptons head and all of a sudden he can throw for 26 td in a season. NO WAY. Our offense would have been pathetic. We would have played too conservative. We wouldn't have brown or oku and phil would have ran hardesty right into another injury. Our D would have been on the field the whole time. Cmon man. We didn't have extradinary Sophmores that fulmer recruited show out this year. The team was virtually the same group of guys at all the key positions, and kiffin had more injuries to deal with than fulmer did last year, and we played a harder schedule this year.

WHAT SEASON WERE YOU WATCHING. Fulmer 5-7 last year, couldn't pick a QB and we lost to Wyoming. WYOMING. That is embarrassing. Fulmers players gave up on him. These players give everything they have and more for Kiffin because they believe in him.

SJT18 you are entitled to your opinion but in the words of Will Ferrell in OLD SCHOOL. YOUR CRAZY, YOUR CRAZY, I LIKE YOU, BUT YOUR CRAZY. IF YOU THINK FULMER TAKES THIS TEAM TO A 7-5 RECORD AND A 2ND PLACE FINISH IN THE EAST.
 
#25
#25
kptvol said:
I really don't think so on Coleman. If the passes he attempted against Vandy were as good as he had in him after a year of learning the system, I don't think he would have been much better than 2008 Crompton/Stephens. And the OL would have been absolutely brutalized (not that they excelled, anyway) against UCLA without the way, way better coaching they got this past offseason. I also don't think Hardesty would have been nearly as successful, both because he wouldn't have Gran coaching him up and because the OL would be horrible. Also, without Kiffin, would Waggner have been our starting FS all year? I think with all that factored in, we'd have had the same early record. We'd then lose to UGA. At 2-4, the wheels would come off.
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I watched Coleman play Bama on TV. He looked great. He hit hit targets dead on, they were just afraid to reel it in with SEC talent bearing down on them.
 
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