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Flipdaddy said:
Imagine Tennessee football without him. Nah my dude is a legend. Brought me many happy Saturday nights…way more than bad.
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I said he was a damn good coach. No one said anything about bad. It's not a binary choice. Silly last comment. If he is a legend to you that's cool, but he's not in the realm of college football outside of UT fans
 
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legend is a very over used word these days to the point it really doesn’t mean much. UT published a picture a few years ago of four UT coaching legends. Majors, Battle, Dickey, and Fulmer. Ridiculous.
 
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The argument I would have is that this individual would have to be the best in the business (at least in the conference) for a decade or more. That if you ask who's the best coach, it's that individual with 90% or more agreement across the board from every fan base out there.

Some people that would qualify, IMO, have bounced around, but there aren't many of those. Rick Pitino is a legend IMO.

To take Tennessee folks out of the discussion, Vince Dooley is not a a legend. Shug Jordan is not a legend. Pat Dye is not a legend. Kirby Smart will eventually qualify (don't know if he has been around a decade).

The #1 obvious answer for Tennessee is Pat Summit. Clearly a legend.
 
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99gator said:
The argument I would have is that this individual would have to be the best in the business (at least in the conference) for a decade or more. That if you ask who's the best coach, it's that individual with 90% or more agreement across the board from every fan base out there.

Some people that would qualify, IMO, have bounced around, but there aren't many of those. Rick Pitino is a legend IMO.

To take Tennessee folks out of the discussion, Vince Dooley is not a a legend. Shug Jordan is not a legend. Pat Dye is not a legend. Kirby Smart will eventually qualify (don't know if he has been around a decade).

The #1 obvious answer for Tennessee is Pat Summitt. Clearly a legend.
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FYP.

Talking strictly football here (hence the forum). No chit Pat is dumbazz.

Kirby has the most NCs as a UGA(y) coach. He can quit tomorrow and he's there regardless.

Same with Dabo at Clemson.

Same with the TN born Spurrier at FL. Sadly you're only "legend." Unless you want to include the murder having (at two schools) Urban included...
 
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YankeeVol said:
With the death of Lou Holtz, they were talking about coaching legends here on a local sports talk station. Penn State has Joe Paterno. VT has Beamer. FSU has Bowden. Eddie Robinson at Grambling etc.

Obviously General Neyland is one for UT. I'd also put Fulmer in that category.

Anyone else? (maybe Majors)
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No on Fulmer being a legend. No on Majors being a legend as a coach as well.
 
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WillisWG said:
I don't see Holtz as a legend. He's ND's version of Fulmer, both have a NC but both fall short of being legends.
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But Holtz won at multiple schools, Arkansas, NC. St and South Carolina, unlike Fulmer who nobody interested in hiring him while he was at UT and after he got fired.
 
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Flipdaddy said:
Imagine Tennessee football without him. Nah my dude is a legend. Brought me many happy Saturday nights…way more than bad.
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I envision a legend as someone who gets remembered by generations who weren’t even alive to see them. We all know Neyland and Bryant. We also know the Gipper. There are way more distinguished coaches who I can’t remember their names without looking it up.

I doubt future generations who aren’t Vol fans will ever know who Fulmer was. I’ll always remember him, but maybe you get what I’m saying.
 
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WillisWG said:
www.espn.com

The 150 greatest coaches in college football's 150-year history

A blue-ribbon panel of 150 experts selects the best coaches in the sport's history.
www.espn.com www.espn.com

Would you put Holtz above Neyland? Above Spurrier? Urban?
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Those compiling that list failed to mention many of Neyland’s accomplishments, his maxims (which were cited by even Saban), nor his commitment to military service which interrupted his coaching career more than once. They underplayed his influence and impact on the college game and ranked him too low among the greatest.
 
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DuckInAPen said:
Yes, certainly Majors.
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I agree. Amyone who has coached at UT and has a national championship deserves it. Granted he won his at Pitt and then came to UT which meant he was trying to put one on the board on The Hill. How often is a NC coach lured away from where he is to take a similar level job? Not many. He loved UT.
 
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DarkVolder said:
But Holtz won at multiple schools, Arkansas, NC. St and South Carolina, unlike Fulmer who nobody interested in hiring him while he was at UT and after he got fired.
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winning % Holtz .651, Fulmer .743.
Holtz's best years at Arkansas were his 1st 3 when he had Broyles's recruits after that his record there isn't special by any standard and it ended with him being fired. Bill Battle pops to mind.

He went 33-37 at South Carolina, winning only 16 games his last 3 seasons there. That's not winning...well maybe by South Carolina standards.

I will give him his due at ND but only an idiot loses at ND. There is no genius in recruiting well at certain schools, ND being one of them.

Lou's and Phil's records are what they are. Neither is overall elite or in my opinion worthy of legendary status.
 
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WillisWG said:
1-21? His 1st season at USC went 0-11, toss that he's still 33-26...nothing special.
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I was a year off. They 1-10 under Brad Scott the year before Holtz got there. My buddy over in Columbia reminds me of that every time I complain. It was his Jr and Sr year in college.

…and yes, 33-26 was something special at SC in the late 90s-early 2000s. It took Steve Spurrier years to start winning there.
 
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GAVol said:
I was a year off. They 1-10 under Brad Scott the year before Holtz got there. My buddy over in Columbia reminds me of that every time I complain. It was his Jr and Sr year in college.

…and yes, 33-26 was something special at SC in the late 90s-early 2000s.
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When the goalposts came down for a W over New Mexico State they were at the rock bottom

The Gamecocks defeated New Mexico State in the 2000 season opener, and the goal posts came down. Carolina finished 8-4 and 5-3 in the SEC. The 8-win overall and 5-win SEC improvements from the previous year were among the best in college football history at the time.
 
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Remy said:
I agree. Amyone who has coached at UT and has a national championship deserves it. Granted he won his at Pitt and then came to UT which meant he was trying to put one on the board on The Hill. How often is a NC coach lured away from where he is to take a similar level job? Not many. He loved UT.
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I think Majors was more legendary as a player at UT vs a coach.
 
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