Prince out 3 to 4 weeks

#76
#76
Bruleif said:
1. See my posting on the timing of the safety. It is only in the timing of the safety that UT benefitted, not in the safety itself. We agree on that.

2. The problem I see a lot is the conception that the ball should be spotted where the knee hits. It has been my understanding that the ball should be spotted where THE BALL IS when the knee hits. Am I wrong? I do not have a copy of the NCAA football rules.
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Wow, you really aren't getting this are you? When the knee hit, the ball had not completely broken the plane of the goal line. It was about 3/4ths of the length of the football past the line but not all the way. Thus, it was a safety and was called correctly.
 
#77
#77
gainesvol82 said:
Wow, you really aren't getting this are you? When the knee hit, the ball had not completely broken the plane of the goal line. It was about 3/4ths of the length of the football past the line but not all the way. Thus, it was a safety and was called correctly.
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thank u
 
#78
#78
T-TownVol said:
no sir, in college the knee touching the ground marks the spot, NOT the ball
think about it...you could reach the ball a good three yards out after the knee is down
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There isn't a set rule. (There might be written, but its flexible) Its supposed to be where the ball is when the knee touches, but it is the refs final call. I have seen people reach for the goal line have a knee at the 5 and the ball at the 2 and get the 2 yard spot. I have also seen someone get spotted where their shins landed while the ball was in his hands, and good 2 yard difference. Its just flexible and there is no defining line.
 
#79
#79
Does it really matter now?

We would have needed 6 mins. to run it back down there anyway.
 
#80
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Bruleif said:
The point is he went back in the game and he would have run regular plays had UCLA needed to because the UCLA trainers did not know until x-rays were taken in L.A. that he had a broken jaw.

You don't think that's tough? If not your standards for tough must be pretty high.
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I have broken several bones while playing sports and still tried to play. It's called adrenaline and it causes you not to notice pain until you go to use the affected part of your body.

Unless he was going to eat something or sat on the bench for too long then it doesn't surprise me that he or the trainers wouldn't notice it right away past some broken teeth and blood.

I give him credit for being tough and sticking it out in that game but it's no more tough than anybody else on the field and a lot in the stands.
 
#81
#81
Bruleif said:
Although I haven't read any post-game comments on this, I am sure, sure, sure that Neuheisel would have called for UCLA to take a safety on 4th down instead of punting. But because the safety occurred on 3rd down, UT benefited in that it got the ball back with about 1:40 left. Had the safety occurred on 4th down instead of 3rd down, UT would only have had about 1:15 left, as UT had no more time outs left. So, at the time, UT definitely benefited from the safety call at least as far as time left in the game went.

Todd Blackledge mentioned this during the telecast.
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You could have given us 5 more minutes - Crompton wasn't going to lead any game winning drive. Heck, you probably would have scored on a pick instead.
 
#82
#82
JFreak said:
Do you even realize how much that safety benefitted you guys? If that ball is ruled out of the end zone, we are bringing all our guys for the punt block and getting ball about 20 yards closer.
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But we'd still have the same QB.
 
#83
#83
SpringBokVol said:
To be quite honest, I am surprised he lasted that long. He was getting knocked around all day and still out performed Crompton.
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Even if Prince would have had his head taken off on the first play of the game and NEVER returned to the game, he still would have outperformed Crompton.:mf_surrender::mf_surrender::mf_surrender:
 
#84
#84
I give Prince alot of credit, our D tee'd off on him and he hung in there
 
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#85
#85
Does this matter now?

1. It was safety since the whole ball needs to be out of the end zone.

2. It was a fumble but our RB recovered.

3. I try to be unbiased but UT got lot of calls their way, lot of holding I saw that were not called and phantom false start at the end, if you guys didn't have a QB with a vision that Ray Charles would laugh at I would have been pissed.

4. Walk on Center vs Brian Price... Not good.

5. Lame made the right call on 4th down, we have lot of speed on defense, sweep would have been a loss, a bootleg? You kidding? I would not trust your QB to take a knee without throwing a INT. Go straight ahead, our two staring DT were out on that play, you been doing it all drive long. Right call, bad results.

6. Tebow is gonna bring the pain like you guys are filipino kids who needs circumcision. Watch out,


Good luck the rest of the way guys.:rock::rock:
 
#88
#88
Prince is a tough kid with more skills than we've seen on the hill in about 3 years. Says a lot for a kid to come into K'ville and outperform a Senior qb.

Bottom line, we have someone as skilled as Prince and we win by 20 yesterday.
 
#89
#89
Big Train said:
There isn't a set rule. (There might be written, but its flexible) Its supposed to be where the ball is when the knee touches, but it is the refs final call. I have seen people reach for the goal line have a knee at the 5 and the ball at the 2 and get the 2 yard spot. I have also seen someone get spotted where their shins landed while the ball was in his hands, and good 2 yard difference. Its just flexible and there is no defining line.
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the only place that the ball determines the spot is on the goal line, if it crosses the plain first, or if the ball is the first thing to touch the ground, which in most cases is that happens, by the rule book, the knee or elbow or butt or head or shoulder determines the spot for the next play
i agree that it is a judgement call, but the rule book is clear about the spot being where the body OR the ball touches the ground first ( was an official for 20 years and I can say with out a doubt that I have never seen a shin be the first thing to hit the ground)

why do you think that the guys in the booth kept asking if Prince's knee hit the ground while he was still in the end zone....because if it did, it does not matter where the ball was
 
#90
#90
bruinbling said:
Does this matter now?

1. It was safety since the whole ball needs to be out of the end zone.

2. It was a fumble but our RB recovered.

3. I try to be unbiased but UT got lot of calls their way, lot of holding I saw that were not called and phantom false start at the end, if you guys didn't have a QB with a vision that Ray Charles would laugh at I would have been pissed.

4. Walk on Center vs Brian Price... Not good.

5. Lame made the right call on 4th down, we have lot of speed on defense, sweep would have been a loss, a bootleg? You kidding? I would not trust your QB to take a knee without throwing a INT. Go straight ahead, our two staring DT were out on that play, you been doing it all drive long. Right call, bad results.

6. Tebow is gonna bring the pain like you guys are filipino kids who needs circumcision. Watch out,


Good luck the rest of the way guys.:rock::rock:
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you have no need to be on this site... you won..... go take care of your QB's broken Jaw and do a fundraiser to help him buy some teeth!!!:crazy:
 
#92
#92
Bruleif said:
He apparently suffered a broken jaw from that helmet-to-helmet hit (which the refs did not call) in the end zone when the refs called a safety that was not a safety. If you do not believe there was a helmet-to-helmet hit, look at the replay.

Ouchy!!!
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#93
#93
bruinbling said:
Does this matter now?

1. It was safety since the whole ball needs to be out of the end zone.

2. It was a fumble but our RB recovered.

3. I try to be unbiased but UT got lot of calls their way, lot of holding I saw that were not called and phantom false start at the end, if you guys didn't have a QB with a vision that Ray Charles would laugh at I would have been pissed.

4. Walk on Center vs Brian Price... Not good.

5. Lame made the right call on 4th down, we have lot of speed on defense, sweep would have been a loss, a bootleg? You kidding? I would not trust your QB to take a knee without throwing a INT. Go straight ahead, our two staring DT were out on that play, you been doing it all drive long. Right call, bad results.

6. Tebow is gonna bring the pain like you guys are filipino kids who needs circumcision. Watch out,


Good luck the rest of the way guys.:rock::rock:
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Sorry to hear your QB got his jaw broken. He took a pounding the entire game. Yes it was an SEC crew and yes UT got a couple of breaks, but so did UCLA. Also, tell us something about our QB that we do not already know. Price is an excellent player...caused a lot of havoc upfront. As for the Tebow comment...stay classy...and thanks for coming to the board AFTER the game. :clap:
 
#94
#94
hate he broke his jaw. but he better learn to quit taking those hits.. or his jaw will be the least of his worries. I think Prince is going to be a gutsy heck of a ball player....
 
#95
#95
tim said:
Prince is a tough kid with more skills than we've seen on the hill in about 3 years. Says a lot for a kid to come into K'ville and outperform a Senior qb.

Bottom line, we have someone as skilled as Prince and we win by 20 yesterday.
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Anyone who has ever played QB could have accomplished that on Saturday.
 
#96
#96
I'm surprised Prince made it to the end of the game anyway....

Even with a broken jaw he is better than Crompton....
 
#97
#97
Just like a TD, if any part of the ball breaks the plane while his knee touches the ground it's a safety. I did feel that UT did get some of the calls and that probably was an SEC crew or at least somewhere from the east coast. But remember there was a Pac 10 crew last year and that safety last year @ UCLA was questionable, but regardless that didn't cost us the game last year but that's over.

Anyways UCLA fans congratulations on the win and I hope you guys enjoyed the mountains of East Tennessee.
 
#98
#98
Hahahaha - I'm not happy the kid is injured - that's unfortunate - but some of those Bruins are the first page are acting like pricks about the safety/supposed helmet to helmet hit - I hope this causes them to lose a few games. Hope Prince is alright though... he's a tough kid but dumb for taking some of those hits.
 
#99
#99
JFreak said:
Do you even realize how much that safety benefitted you guys? If that ball is ruled out of the end zone, we are bringing all our guys for the punt block and getting ball about 20 yards closer.
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Good grief that's a stupid comment. The only thing more stupid was not taking the snap and taking a knee. We were all in the stands PRAYING that they would'nt call it. AND, Mr. L.A.(not you, Freak), if your player doesn't want to get hit in the head, he should'nt lead with his freakin' head!! Good gracious, are we going to see football evolve into "arm tackles" only? Sorry the kid is hurt and out. I want you UCLA to win every game left on it's schedule. However, football illiterate crybabies make it hard. Coming on here and giving an injury update is one thing---coming on here and whining about a penalty call that benefited you and whining about hitting in FB, is another thing all together.
 
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#100
#100
volbreaker said:
That's EXACTLY what I was about to say!!
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be glad you didn't since it's ridiculous. UCLA would have run the play clock down, hiked it to the punter and he would run out of the endzone. We still get the safety minus the time on the clock.
 
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