Previous HC that go to DC or OC?

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Who were they?...and what eventually happened?

I can see Shannon only coming here if he decides not want to be HC anytime soon. Or possibly give him the "coach in waiting" title.
 
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Charlie Weis is the most recent notable one that jumps to mind. ND, NFL, UF, KU
 
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Shannon didnt really burn things up in Miami as an HC, but he was one heck of a DC while he was there. Sometimes you need to realize your strengths and play to them.
 
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Dougie_D said:
Who were they?...and what eventually happened?

I can see Shannon only coming here if he decides not want to be HC anytime soon. Or possibly give him the "coach in waiting" title.
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David Cutcliffe...we all know what happened

Ed Orgeron...we all know what happened

Kevin Steele was HC @ Baylor for 4 yrs, has been a coordinator/assistant ever since

HC to coordinator/assistant is not all that uncommon...but especially if Head Coach was at Ole Miss
 
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How about David Cutcliffe? Former OC to HC to OC to HC again. Not really well known for his HC position winning, but he was a great OC.
 
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ajvol01 said:
David Cutcliffe...we all know what happened

Ed Orgeron...we all know what happened

Kevin Steele was HC @ Baylor for 4 yrs, has been a coordinator/assistant ever since

HC to coordinator/assistant is not all that uncommon...but especially if Head Coach was at Ole Miss
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I was two minutes too late with Cutcliffe. I love the Ole Miss comment. Houston Nutt was an OC that went HC and he cant keep a HC job. I expect him to be an OC again someday.
 
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Dave Clawson as far as UT is concerned(I don't count Orgeron as he was previously with the Saints prior to UT).

I may get flamed for this but I don't place much blame on Clawson for his disastrous year as much as I do the arrogance/stupidity of Fulmer for bringing in a guy whose system was clearly not a fit for Tennessee and its players at the time.
 
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Wade Phillips comes to mind. Hes been a HC multiple times with not much success, but he always falls back on a DC gig and does well enough to get him another HC job. He's got Houston ranked 4th in points allowed and 2nd in yards allowed this year. Some guys are great on one side of the ball but for whatever reason don't make good head coaches. I just hope Shannon sticks with what hes good at.
 
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Shannon only had 1 loosing season in south beach. He had a winning record when he was fired. Hes gonna get another HC job he showed some promise while at the U. He was 28-22 not great but not to bad for a young HC in first 5 years.
 
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It says alot about a man to accept a job lesser than the one they lost. For a head coach to go back to be a coordinator shows they don't have a huge ego problem. Alot of coaches once fired thinks its an insult. Guys with ambition jump at the oppurtunity to grow as a coach. Kind of like once the POTUS term ends you never see them go back to being just a senator. Its hard to be THE MAN then go back to being under another MAN. Props to Shannon if he has taken the high road.
 
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tennesseevolsman said:
How about David Cutcliffe? Former OC to HC to OC to HC again. Not really well known for his HC position winning, but he was a great OC.
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That's because he has proven to be a terrible head coach and his losing percentage as a head coach is exceeded by few. He should still be an oc somewhere. Idiots at Ole Miss and Duke imo.
 
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GBOVOLS said:
Shannon only had 1 loosing season in south beach. He had a winning record when he was fired. Hes gonna get another HC job he showed some promise while at the U. He was 28-22 not great but not to bad for a young HC in first 5 years.
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That is actually not a very good record at the U and that is the main reason he isn't there. Plays in a weak conference and more talent in your backyard than anywhere else in the country. If you can't win at Miami something is either wrong with your recruiting ability or your coaching ability or both.
 
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DeepSpringsVol said:
It says alot about a man to accept a job lesser than the one they lost. For a head coach to go back to be a coordinator shows they don't have a huge ego problem. Alot of coaches once fired thinks its an insult. Guys with ambition jump at the oppurtunity to grow as a coach. Kind of like once the POTUS term ends you never see them go back to being just a senator. Its hard to be THE MAN then go back to being under another MAN. Props to Shannon if he has taken the high road.
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Not to throw Fulmer under the bus but I totally agree. You see it happen a lot in basketball as well. I am sure the Stoops that got fired will land somewhere as a coordinator. Now a days it is a great strategic move. I will gladly take a million a year and work for Hart and Dooley. Not so worried about my ego if I am making that kind of money.
 
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Fullfillmer said:
That's because he has proven to be a terrible head coach and his losing percentage as a head coach is exceeded by few. He should still be an oc somewhere. Idiots at Ole Miss and Duke imo.
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Cant argue with that logic. But he is not getting the caliber of recruits at Duke that he coached as an OC at UT. We offered him the HC job before Dooley, but he wanted to bring his whole Duke staff back to UT with him. Hammy said no. Would we have been worse off with Cutcliffe?
 
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Fullfillmer said:
Not to throw Fulmer under the bus but I totally agree. You see it happen a lot in basketball as well. I am sure the Stoops that got fired will land somewhere as a coordinator. Now a days it is a great strategic move. I will gladly take a million a year and work for Hart and Dooley. Not so worried about my ego if I am making that kind of money.
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Comparing Phil Fulmer to Randy Shannon is a bit absurd, don't ya think? Shannon is still young in coaching years who has time to wait out another head coaching spot. He also failed to accomplish much of note on the field at UM during his time as Head Coach. Taking a coordinator position is smart because it allows him to accentuate his positives given the lack of major HC victories on his resume.

Fulmer kinda accomplished some things in his career that Shannon or Mike Stoops even came close to doing. Fulmer is also considerably older and isn't going to want to play the waiting game while he calls some x and o's for a younger guy. When you're that age and have had as much success as Fulmer does you don't just accept a coordinator job. That's not doing anything positive for your legacy.
 
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Fullfillmer said:
That is actually not a very good record at the U and that is the main reason he isn't there. Plays in a weak conference and more talent in your backyard than anywhere else in the country. If you can't win at Miami something is either wrong with your recruiting ability or your coaching ability or both.
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That is exactly true. While Shannon was a great DC at Miami, he was not surrounded by the best DC and OC while he was a head coach. Fulmer was a pretty darn good coach when he had Cutcliffe and Chavez around. So maybe Shannon can be one of the pieces that saves Dooley.
 
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beavbullvol said:
Charlie Weis is the most recent notable one that jumps to mind. ND, NFL, UF, KU
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I just dont know how you could use the words "Charlie Weis" and "Jump" in the same sentence. Oh wait. . . . . maybe I can do it too. . . .. .

Charlie Weis made his way to the buffet and the other customers jumped out of the way, in an effort to save their lives.

:hi:
 
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s1216 said:
Happens all the time... Joe Lee Dunn, Sparky Woods, Galen Hall
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John L. Smith

Louisville-HC
Mich State-HC
Arkansas-Special Teams Coach

"the players are playing their tails off and the coaches are screwing it up"

Winner.
 
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bnhunt said:
Walt Harris (for you old timers)
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Walt Harris was one of the best offensive coordinators we have ever had at UT. I do remember Walt he was here when Majors and Tony Robinson was slinging it around.He was a pretty decent head coach at Pitt didnt do as well at Stanford though.
 
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DeepSpringsVol said:
It says alot about a man to accept a job lesser than the one they lost. For a head coach to go back to be a coordinator shows they don't have a huge ego problem. Alot of coaches once fired thinks its an insult. Guys with ambition jump at the oppurtunity to grow as a coach. Kind of like once the POTUS term ends you never see them go back to being just a senator. Its hard to be THE MAN then go back to being under another MAN. Props to Shannon if he has taken the high road.
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Some Past Presidents have held such positions in retirement. I believe Taft even said that being Chief Justice was better than being POTUS.

J.Q. Adams - US House
John Tyler - CSA House
Andrew Johnson - US Senate (then again, he was impeached)
Wm. H. Taft - Chief Justice US Supreme Court
 
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