Pretty Interesting Take on the Green Agenda

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i read that. i thought it was pretty interesting. hard to say how accurate it is here in America.
 
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Once again the lesson is Economy Uber Alles - the pocketbook is the true predictor of values
 
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volinbham said:
Once again the lesson is Economy Uber Alles - the pocketbook is the true predictor of values
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It's not a new lesson, but does point out the somewhat hypocritical nature of the green movement. It's important for us all to do it, until it costs me personally and forces a lifestyle change for me.
 
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Makes sense to me. People have real problems to concern themselves about. The fact that "green" makes it as far as it does is a clear sign of what an upscale country and world we live in. When people don't have enough real problems to worry about, they invent ones.
 
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I don't know if it is hypocritical or if it is just a sign of how much value is actually placed on these aspects of the green movement. I think that this is also another example of the ebb and flow of politics. The interest in the green movement is a "survivalist" move from those who buy into it...but you will also focus on "immediate" survival rather than survival of non-existent generations if the former is actually a concern.
 
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TennTradition said:
I don't know if it is hypocritical or if it is just a sign of how much value is actually placed on these aspects of the green movement. I think that this is also another example of the ebb and flow of politics. The interest in the green movement is a "survivalist" move from those who buy into it...but you will also focus on "immediate" survival rather than survival of non-existent generations if the former is actually a concern.
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I'm sure there are greens that will be green regardless of economic conditions. There's also a group that use "green" to address some other personal needs and the article seems to focus on this group.
 
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volinbham said:
I'm sure there are greens that will be green regardless of economic conditions. There's also a group that use "green" to address some other personal needs and the article seems to focus on this group.
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Absolutely...my wife is a lot more "green" than I am...but she is also the type that for some reason shies away from making/saving (or in her words, amassing) a lot of money because of some sort of weird greed guilt. She's getting better about that then when we first met, but I've never understood it...Catholic guilt to an extreme, I guess.

Edit: I should say that, with that said, her tendencies do tend to balance me pretty well and keep me honest :)
 
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allvol123 said:
Makes sense to me. People have real problems to concern themselves about. The fact that "green" makes it as far as it does is a clear sign of what an upscale country and world we live in. When people don't have enough real problems to worry about, they invent ones.
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i blame porn.
 
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joevol320 said:
i read that. i thought it was pretty interesting. hard to say how accurate it is here in America.
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Europe was so far ahead of us on the green movement, I can only expect that we will be there in time as well. Whole Foods stores are still packed to the gills with people here...and farmer's markets are doing quite well. While farmer's markets may be a cheaper option some places, that isn't the case here - but people view it is a more environmentally friendly and healthier option. But, if the economy keeps on lagging (or even if it doesn't), we will see the tide push back against the green movement.
 
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TennTradition said:
I don't know if it is hypocritical or if it is just a sign of how much value is actually placed on these aspects of the green movement. I think that this is also another example of the ebb and flow of politics. The interest in the green movement is a "survivalist" move from those who buy into it...but you will also focus on "immediate" survival rather than survival of non-existent generations if the former is actually a concern.
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So there is a hierarchy of survival much like Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs.

Maybe hypocritical was too strong, but many of these type of folks have been nothing but alarmists over the past decade.
 
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TennTradition said:
Europe was so far ahead of us on the green movement, I can only expect that we will be there in time as well. Whole Foods stores are still packed to the gills with people here...and farmer's markets are doing quite well. While farmer's markets may be a cheaper option some places, that isn't the case here - but people view it is a more environmentally friendly and healthier option. But, if the economy keeps on lagging (or even if it doesn't), we will see the tide push back against the green movement.
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i know this may sound odd, but i truly think that more people in the south are green when it come stuff like planting gardens (though they don't call it that). the reason that i say that is that i do a lot of travelling in tennessee, georgia and alabama and it's amazing how many small garden people grow in their back yards or side of their houses. it's not just in the rural areas either. i see quite a few suburb homes that have gardens. granted many of them are older neighbor hoods with larger yards but in any case they do.

i know my wife's family and i plant a pretty nice garden every year and we just share everything, we have more than enough left over and normally give it away to friends.
 
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The gardens that people plant in the south are a huge "green" effort....though it isn't recognized as such.
 
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The dirty truth of green is that it is a much more expensive and less efficient way to live.

If you don't think that the hard core greenies have the ultimate goal of slowing the world economy you have your head up Obama's behind.
 
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TennTradition said:
The gardens that people plant in the south are a huge "green" effort....though it isn't recognized as such.
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if you had enough room to plant 2 or 3 of your favorite vegetables you could have plenty pretty much through all summer. it doesn't take a lot of care or work to plant a couple of tomato or green onion plants. better than raising a hog.
 
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joevol320 said:
i know this may sound odd, but i truly think that more people in the south are green when it come stuff like planting gardens (though they don't call it that). the reason that i say that is that i do a lot of travelling in tennessee, georgia and alabama and it's amazing how many small garden people grow in their back yards or side of their houses. it's not just in the rural areas either. i see quite a few suburb homes that have gardens. granted many of them are older neighbor hoods with larger yards but in any case they do.

i know my wife's family and i plant a pretty nice garden every year and we just share everything, we have more than enough left over and normally give it away to friends.
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I'd guess part of what you're noticing is due to the South's agrarian culture and warmer climate (thus ability to grow gardens during more of the year). I'd guess there are slightly more outdoorsmen in the South as well, and I tend to associate hunters and fishermen with being environmentally conscious (b/c they're more attuned to environmental/life patterns, what eats what, etc.). I don't know that Southerners in general are more aware of global environmental trends, but I do think there's a general respect for the outdoors amongst Southerners.

Some people have made "being green" their badge - and that can be annoying - I once had someone from California tell me that they drive a Prius "because we care about the environment here." I had to restrain myself. We all make choices and live with them, but as TT said, what it boils down to is our (and our descendants') ability to survive on this planet.
 
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TennNC said:
I'd guess part of what you're noticing is due to the South's agrarian culture and warmer climate (thus ability to grow gardens during more of the year). I'd guess there are slightly more outdoorsmen in the South as well, and I tend to associate hunters and fishermen with being environmentally conscious (b/c they're more attuned to environmental/life patterns, what eats what, etc.). I don't know that Southerners in general are more aware of global environmental trends, but I do think there's a general respect for the outdoors amongst Southerners.

Some people have made "being green" their badge - and that can be annoying - I once had someone from California tell me that they drive a Prius "because we care about the environment here." I had to restrain myself. We all make choices and live with them, but as TT said, what it boils down to is our (and our descendants') ability to survive on this planet.
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i agree. my mom has been "green" longer than algore, she had small garden as long as i could remember.

when me and my dad when hunting, he constantly preached to me about having respect for the land. hunt and to kill only what you were going to eat. it was the same for all my uncles. it's a good example of how similar goals are taught and ecourage by two totally opposite ways.
 
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