Pretty disappointed with the new staff's aim in recruiting

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Sudden Impact said:
You are bringing a whole bunch of crap forward to a different staff....

Cam Newton versus Matt Sims

Current Dead period

Less than a month

New staff

Before Dooley crap

Are you serious? Relax and enjoy the change versus being a negative Nancy...

Try getting another life and let this work its way out
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ACvol3 said:
Welcome to the SEC..
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You should tell Georgia or Texas A&M that. They both have more 3* than 4* or 5* combined. Even the best classes in the SEC have a large number of 3* players.

Edit: This works because you also bring in 6-8 studs along with them every year lol
 
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1725gatorhater said:
Tennessee should have hired you because this Butch Jones don't know how to coach. Butch has only won 4 conference championships. I bet if it was you could have won NC at Cincy.
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Weren't you using the same drivel against all the "NegaVols" a few months ago, when your Doolander was going to get things turned around? :blink:

Yep, that's you.
 
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Imo i think CBJ and staff will go after higher rated recruits this summer. As for now they are trying to stick with what they know and sure up a mediocre recruiting class instead of shooting for the stars, or going for broke going after 5* recruits that they have little to no relationship with and risk bombing this recruiting class entirely.. Its chess not checkers people..
 
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Toujours Pret said:
I'm still curious as to how this inbred finds a way to fault Butch Jones for not signing Cam Newton.
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I guess b/c Cam didn't end up at Cincy?!?

I see no sense in blaming the current coach over what happened at TN in recruiting for the 2010 season.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
I know...I know. The staff knows more than we do...yada, yada, yada (they obviously knew more when they ran off T. Boyd, and chose Matt Simms over Cam Newton). :rolleyes: I know not all 5*s pan out, and that sometimes 3*'s do, but the law of averages conclusively demonstrate, that when you put a roster of 2-3*s against a roster full of 4-5*'s, then the former will lose 99 times out of 100.

With that being the case, I thought our recruiting standards had dropped considerably before Dooley started losing this year, and now with Cincinnati's staff being transplanted, it seems they've brought their usual standards in recruiting with them.

I'm trying to have a positive outlook on this, but every time I look at who we've offered, the only 4-5 stars are guys we already had some inroads with. I know CBJ must be looking at this realistically, but damn, Dooley had about a week to salvage our class, and still managed to pull in a few big fish (D. Rodgers and Hunter). It's pretty depressing to see all these new 3* star offers, out of nowhere.

If we do pull in any 4-5* guys, it will only be those that Thigpen or Martinez had been courting at Auburn. I'm hoping they do, but what does that say about all the staff from Cincinnati? It's says we have a longer road to recovering than I ever imagined.
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Yeah D. Rodgers and Justin Hunter won us so many ball games that worked out real well
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
I know...I know. The staff knows more than we do...yada, yada, yada (they obviously knew more when they ran off T. Boyd, and chose Matt Simms over Cam Newton). :rolleyes: I know not all 5*s pan out, and that sometimes 3*'s do, but the law of averages conclusively demonstrate, that when you put a roster of 2-3*s against a roster full of 4-5*'s, then the former will lose 99 times out of 100.

With that being the case, I thought our recruiting standards had dropped considerably before Dooley started losing this year, and now with Cincinnati's staff being transplanted, it seems they've brought their usual standards in recruiting with them.

I'm trying to have a positive outlook on this, but every time I look at who we've offered, the only 4-5 stars are guys we already had some inroads with. I know CBJ must be looking at this realistically, but damn, Dooley had about a week to salvage our class, and still managed to pull in a few big fish (D. Rodgers and Hunter). It's pretty depressing to see all these new 3* star offers, out of nowhere.

If we do pull in any 4-5* guys, it will only be those that Thigpen or Martinez had been courting at Auburn. I'm hoping they do, but what does that say about all the staff from Cincinnati? It's says we have a longer road to recovering than I ever imagined.
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I would personally say that it says that the recruiting staff from Cincinnati was recruiting players to Cincinnati, and they (unlike some) realize that you have to build relationships with recruits to convince them to come to your school.

So, they're gonna try their best to snag three or four big time recruits (which is honestly as many as you'll see at just about any other school) Then, they will fill up the rest of the class with solid recruits (which generally means 3 star recruits).

I'm personally excited to see who we get, and I'm not gonna die if it's not the number one class in America. New coach, and it'll take some time...such is life after Dools.
 
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Coastypop said:
I have been saying this from the announcement of the hire........... sorry most folks donn't want to hear it :)
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Absolutely right. I mean it was like a gut punch, because I knew it would be a hard sell to recruits. But I try to stay positive and keep a hopeful outlook. Yes, like Sumlin, he did have a winning record, even if he wasn't a big name. I would be upset a bit, too, if it appeared Sumlin was trying to fill the class out with Houston recruits.

Nevertheless, if you don't keep this fallacious veneer of being 100% onboard with everything a staff does, you get all these sheep throwing stones.

Think about it. They were doing the same damn thing just weeks ago, to anyone questioning Dooley's ability to coach. :loco: The same idiots that would have gone ballistic over anyone saying something even remotely negative about Kiffin....even minutes before he bailed...is the same one trying to lynch anyone here, simply stating the truth. That all these 3* offers (mostly guys they recruited at Cincinnati), lately. That's stupidity and moronic. To claim someone not seeing all sunshine here, is a retard is pathetic.

Everyone is not going to have the same damn outlook, nor amount of patience. I never said this class was done for....just that it's getting pretty depressing to see UT having to subsist on 3* star players. We had those kinds of classes under Fulmer (before he was fired) and we saw where that got us.
 
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GoVols15 said:
G8r8u2 go drink your half empty glass of alligator piss. Send your negativity to tator land.
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:blink: Huh? What negativity would that be?

How does commenting on the marginal players at Cincinatti offend Tennessee or its fans?

In the spirit of conference solidarity and cooperation, I'll be happy to recommend a sensitivity training or anger management expert for you.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
Weren't you using the same drivel against all the "NegaVols" a few months ago, when your Doolander was going to get things turned around? :blink:

Yep, that's you.
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Do you really know what you are talking about or typing stuff that makes no sense. Always supported Tennessee Dooley or not but was ready for him to go after UK game last season.Now get back on your short bus.
 
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G8R8U2 said:
What you have to ask yourself is: Do you think they still would have played in one with an SEC schedule like UT's? Kinda doubt it.
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VOLorNuttin said:
Not if they played in the SEC every year. That's the point, Sheep. HHHHHHMMMMM.
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VolorNuttin. Grow up you idiot. Name calling is childish and shows what you truly are (a pathetic moron with little intelligence). Go post on a tator thread, that suits your age better, just sayin.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
I know...I know. The staff knows more than we do...yada, yada, yada (they obviously knew more when they ran off T. Boyd, and chose Matt Simms over Cam Newton). :rolleyes: I know not all 5*s pan out, and that sometimes 3*'s do, but the law of averages conclusively demonstrate, that when you put a roster of 2-3*s against a roster full of 4-5*'s, then the former will lose 99 times out of 100.

With that being the case, I thought our recruiting standards had dropped considerably before Dooley started losing this year, and now with Cincinnati's staff being transplanted, it seems they've brought their usual standards in recruiting with them.

I'm trying to have a positive outlook on this, but every time I look at who we've offered, the only 4-5 stars are guys we already had some inroads with. I know CBJ must be looking at this realistically, but damn, Dooley had about a week to salvage our class, and still managed to pull in a few big fish (D. Rodgers and Hunter). It's pretty depressing to see all these new 3* star offers, out of nowhere.

If we do pull in any 4-5* guys, it will only be those that Thigpen or Martinez had been courting at Auburn. I'm hoping they do, but what does that say about all the staff from Cincinnati? It's says we have a longer road to recovering than I ever imagined.
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Butch Jones has done nothing but prove he can win...and win alot....along with conference championships. Let the man work for Tennessee for a little while. Sorry OP......I think you need this bro...

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RhodesVol said:
I would personally say that it says that the recruiting staff from Cincinnati was recruiting players to Cincinnati, and they (unlike some) realize that you have to build relationships with recruits to convince them to come to your school.

So, they're gonna try their best to snag three or four big time recruits (which is honestly as many as you'll see at just about any other school) Then, they will fill up the rest of the class with solid recruits (which generally means 3 star recruits).

I'm personally excited to see who we get, and I'm not gonna die if it's not the number one class in America. New coach, and it'll take some time...such is life after Dools.
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The reason it's depressing is that one of the most important aspects of the entire coaching search, was that it needed to be a BIG SPLASH hire. Why? Cause that's what it would take in order to SELL recruits that this program isn't settling for mediocre anymore. Forget Gruden. Gary Patterson was interested the past few times around, and he was perhaps the best possible candidate we had a chance at, on the collegiate level. Better than Strong, too. Art Briles would have gotten some attention, even if it wasn't a grand slam. Neither name was ever mentioned.

So, CBJ wasn't a splash hire. We are going to pay for that...even if he is a good x's and o's guy. So, the next best thing to do, in order to make up for not having a splash hire, was to go out and hire the best possible staff in the country....as CBJ said he'd do, in his presser. What did he do? Just brought most of his UC staff with him. If anyone is going to recruit on this staff, it will be Graham, Thigpen and Martinez. The others have just resorted to Non-SEC caliber players. The last time we recruited a class mostly of 2-3*, non-SEC caliber athletes, it helped to get that coach fired. And it's a big part of why Dooley got fired, too.

If this team is going to win in the SEC, you HAVE to have SEC caliber players....not Big East, Sun Belt or MAC players. It's truly sad day when Vandy can snag more of those than UT.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
Absolutely right. I mean it was like a gut punch, because I knew it would be a hard sell to recruits. But I try to stay positive and keep a hopeful outlook. Yes, like Sumlin, he did have a winning record, even if he wasn't a big name. I would be upset a bit, too, if it appeared Sumlin was trying to fill the class out with Houston recruits.

Nevertheless, if you don't keep this fallacious veneer of being 100% onboard with everything a staff does, you get all these sheep throwing stones.

Think about it. They were doing the same damn thing just weeks ago, to anyone questioning Dooley's ability to coach. :loco: The same idiots that would have gone ballistic over anyone saying something even remotely negative about Kiffin....even minutes before he bailed...is the same one trying to lynch anyone here, simply stating the truth. That all these 3* offers (mostly guys they recruited at Cincinnati), lately. That's stupidity and moronic. To claim someone not seeing all sunshine here, is a retard is pathetic.

Everyone is not going to have the same damn outlook, nor amount of patience. I never said this class was done for....just that it's getting pretty depressing to see UT having to subsist on 3* star players. We had those kinds of classes under Fulmer (before he was fired) and we saw where that got us.
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What's the matter, a 3 star got your computer. Maybe vol fans are lucky and you just went away. You and a couple more on here are deals "gems." When we play for the SEC championship please don't post on here with your love Coach Jones comments. Please go and root for the tators or the elephant turds ... More your style!
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
I was right about Fulmer needing to go...he went. I was right about us needing to go with Brian Kelly or Gary Patterson, rather than Kiffin. I was right about Sumlin being a better choice than Dooley or Cutcliffe (and he wanted the job). I was right about Hamilton needing to go....He went. I was right about your Hero, Doolander....he went. In every case, you sheep were like, "I'll trust our AD/Coach rather than some stupid fan on a message board." I may not be the shot caller, but when it comes to my opinion being the correct one, historically...I've been pretty damn accurate. That's put's you not only down in the count, but out of the inning. What's else you got Captain Brainiac?
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so what your saying is you are never wrong ?

As for Brian Kelly,he would of left after 1 year just like Kiffin.ND was his dream job also.
 
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VolFromNashville said:
Can we at least wait until NSD to judge the class? A lot of players haven't declared and there are usually a few flips.
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We are waiting until NSD. Just some on here trying to frame my point differently. They just bash anyone with even the slightest concern (=NEGAVOL). In this case, I was simple stating that it's disappointing to see that the major focus has been OFFERING a lot of 3* players, the Cincy staff tried to recruit to their Big East team.

Again, I'm hoping we can salvage this class, but the way it is looking this far, the bulk of the slots will be filled with just such athletes. Everyone....now, that he's long gone....chided Fulmer (and rightfully so) for making a mess of our roster with shoddy recruiting.

That's where we are headed, again, if this staff doesn't aim higher...than poaching from their Cincinnati prospects. Feasting on low-hanging fruit, in the SEC, will have us living low, in the conference.
 
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Lets put together an all VN coaching staff. I'll start..
1. JMoore/ST's and RC
 
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