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NorthDallas40 said:
Already addressed this in my reply. That “fact check” is **** BB. No name calling look i do this for a living.

Had Trump not allocated the funds he would have broken the law. He was already crossways on the law by not informing Congress. Which was the line I was actually throwing in the water here with Biden and is why he is strongly denying it.

There is simply no damn way DoD could have “spent” the “allocated” money in FY2019 with or without the delay. Your government doesn’t move that fast. The fact check is simply ****. The Dems would have had Trump cold if he missed Sept 30. He did no such thing.
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Then why did a new provision need to be written into the continuing appropriations bill and signed again by Trump on Sept. 27? Also, why did Mark Sandy, the deputy associate director for national security at OMB, testify that the unobligated $35 million would have "expired" if not for Congress stepping in?

It's nothing personal.... I just think that you are a remarkably stupid person. That's all.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Then why did a new provision need to be written into the continuing appropriations bill and signed again by Trump on Sept. 27? Also, why did Mark Sandy, the deputy associate director for national security at OMB, say that the unobligated $35 million would have expired if not for Congress stepping in?

It's nothing personal.... I just think that you are a remarkably stupid person. That's all.
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Oh if I’m remarkably stupid on this topic then you are in a vegetative state on life support.

The funds were allocated and released in FY2019. That was the sum contribution of the WH. Funds still have to be “spent” by awarding contacts to suppliers for goods and services. Simply put that is a months process even in the fastest procurement path. It’s just the speed at which contracts work.

I can think of several instances over 30 years where we were spending our company money on a rapid reaction project because the contract process isn’t fast enough. The payment would literally show up reimbursing the company funds months later. We all knew it was coming. But it just takes time.

Stop believing biased and wrong stupid ass “fact checks” on the internet.
 
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volinbham said:
Good Lord
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It’s par for the course with BB85. He’s in too deep and can’t acknowledge he’s regurgitating stupid wrong **** he found on the internet.

What’s your opinion you’re level headed.

Had Trump missed Sept 30 on giving the funds to DoD they would have had him cold. He issued the order on Sept 11 thus their part was done.

But DoD is spending that allocated money months later. That’s it. Hell it’s documented. And that fact check is using loaded s hell statements on the legislation required to actually spend the money.

And not involving Congress by Trump before and possibly Biden now is the actual issue.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Oh if I’m remarkably stupid on this topic then you are in a vegetative state on life support.

The funds were allocated and released in FY2019. That was the sum contribution of the WH. Funds still have to be “spent” by awarding contacts to suppliers for goods and services. Simply put that is a months process even in the fastest procurement path. It’s just the speed at which contracts work.

I can think of several instances over 30 years where we were spending our company money on a rapid reaction project because the contract process isn’t fast enough. The payment would literally show up reimbursing the company funds months later. We all knew it was coming. But it just takes time.

Stop believing biased and wrong stupid ass “fact checks” on the internet.
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None of that explains the statement of Mark Sandy under oath... if not for Congress those funds - $35 million - would have expired...
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
It’s par for the course with BB85. He’s in too deep and can’t acknowledge he’s regurgitating stupid wrong **** he found on the internet.

What’s your opinion you’re level headed.

Had Trump missed Sept 30 on giving the funds to DoD they would have had him cold. He issued the order on Sept 11 thus their part was done.

But DoD is spending that allocated money months later. That’s it. Hell it’s documented. And that fact check is using loaded s hell statements on the legislation required to actually spend the money.

And not involving Congress by Trump before and possibly Biden now is the actual issue.
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That is not true. A new provision had to be added into the continuing appropriations bill and signed.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
None of that explains the statement of Mark Sandy under oath... if not for Congress those funds would have expired...
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Yes it does. The document you are referring to was Congress empowering DoD to spend the money in FY2020 which was allocated in FY2019. Ive answered this already and can think of several cases projects I’ve worked on over the last three decades were delayed for exactly the same reason.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
That isn't media... and you are just wrong.
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No I’m not! Continuing Resolution! It isn’t a new allocation that was done. It’s SOP for “oh you didn’t spend it all so here is authority to spend it next year”. It’s spending authorization to issue contracts for unspent funds. It is not initial allocation to start spending funds, that happened Sept 11, 2019.
 
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volinbham said:
just read through his testimony and his was specifically about 35 million of 250 million.
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Correct. And Congress gave DoD an authorization that said “oh ok you couldn’t spend it all in time allotted so here go finish that”

That is a separate issue from Trump allocating the money to be spent.

Edit: correct on your edit, that is Sandy not Trump
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Correct. And Congress gave DoD an authorization that said “oh ok you couldn’t spend it all in time allotted so here go finish that”

That is a separate issue from Trump allocating the money to be spent.

Edit: correct on your edit, that is Sandy not Trump
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No, it's not. The delay had everything to do with Trump's freeze.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
No, it's not. The delay had everything to do with Trump's freeze.
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I’ve already shown you that DoD was spending the money well into calendar year 2020 which it’s three months longer due to FY2019 start date. Thus any delay up to two months as claimed is irrelevant.

You are simply wrong. Again. And posting loaded biased **** which totally misrepresents the facts of the matter. Again. Like you always do. Thanks for playing.
 
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volinbham said:
that is not what you said - your posts (multiple) are arguing the money was not received by Sept 30th. you didn't say most of it was but a small amount wasn't.

there's a difference between allocation and disbursement as ND has said
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His entry was completely wrong to begin with. Ukraine never “received” the funds. They never will. DoD received and spent the funds well into FY2020 on their behalf. Which is the normal process for supplying goods and services in foreign aid.
 
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volinbham said:
that is not what you said - your posts (multiple) are arguing the money was not received by Sept 30th. you didn't say most of it was but a small amount wasn't.

there's a difference between allocation and disbursement as ND has said
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... but in the fact check which I posted, it is very clear that the $35 million which Sandy was referencing was specifically in question.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
His entry was completely wrong to begin with. Ukraine never “received” the funds. They never will. DoD received and spent the funds well into FY2020 on their behalf. Which is the normal process for supplying goods and services in foreign aid.
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That is ridiculous. Ukraine was to receive aid from those allotted funds by September 30, and in the case of $35 million... it had not been fully allocated, and an additional provision had to be written into an appropriations bill to account for it - this was only necessary because of Trump's freeze.
 
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So @volinbham back to my initial point I was trying to get to before we went down the BB rabbit hole… again.

IF this really happened then I think the issue relates to the allocation window and not involving Congress. By law the WH can play games but they have to notify Congress as it’s Congress’s bucket of money not the WH. Trump was out of bounds on this and Biden very well could be also we don’t know enough yet. From what I’ve read today that’s the rub. Playing games on allocation and not involving Congress. Would have to know the deadline for the allocation to know if they missed some deadline within the normal FY2021 end. But even if they did Biden has a compliant Congress so that faux pas is already buried I’m sure if it occurred at all.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
... but in the fact check which I posted, it is very clear that the $35 million which Sandy was referencing was specifically in question.
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the fact check should have rated it as somewhere between true and false - 90% of the money was received by the deadline

if you reread your posts you say the money wasn't received by the deadline when almost all of it was.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
That is ridiculous. Ukraine was to receive aid from those allotted funds by September 30, and in the case of $35 million... it had not been fully allocated, and an additional provision had to be written into an appropriations bill to account for it - this was only necessary because of Trump's freeze.
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You.
Are.
WRONG!
AGAIN!
 
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