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lawgator1 said:
As I understand it, aside from the shooter, the two deaths this morning were both immigrant detainees. Is Trump going to fly the WH and Cabinet to their funerals, too, since like Kirk they were victims of political violence? I'm doubting it.
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You are saying that they were targeted for assassination to shut down their views and try to kill a movement? Or they were unfortunate victims of a dumb*** who was apparently too stupid to consider that he may be blindly murdering the people he thought he was standing up for?


I mean, we can mourn all three, but it may be undertsandable to think that it hits a little differently when we realize that we're living in a country where the former just happened.
 
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lawgator1 said:
As I understand it, aside from the shooter, the two deaths this morning were both immigrant detainees. Is Trump going to fly the WH and Cabinet to their funerals, too, since like Kirk they were victims of political violence? I'm doubting it.
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Will be interesting to see if their lives impact opens 68,000 organizations throughout the world.

“I’m doubting it”
 
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lawgator1 said:
As I understand it, aside from the shooter, the two deaths this morning were both immigrant detainees. Is Trump going to fly the WH and Cabinet to their funerals, too, since like Kirk they were victims of political violence? I'm doubting it.
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My response was to those who for months have fought ICE agents with violence…but you knew that.

Nice reach on political violence.
One killed for free speech.
Two shot at who entered illegally.

Not your best troll.
 
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lawgator1 said:
As I understand it, aside from the shooter, the two deaths this morning were both immigrant detainees. Is Trump going to fly the WH and Cabinet to their funerals, too, since like Kirk they were victims of political violence? I'm doubting it.
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You're comparing folks who broke our laws to come here and have contributed nothing to our country to Charlie Kirk and his success as an American? You think they should be treated equally by the White House? Think of this example next time you're deep in thought thinking "why don't my arguments go very far on the internet?"
 
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lawgator1 said:
As I understand it, aside from the shooter, the two deaths this morning were both immigrant detainees. Is Trump going to fly the WH and Cabinet to their funerals, too, since like Kirk they were victims of political violence? I'm doubting it.
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That's asinine even for you
 
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Orange_Crush said:
You are saying that they were targeted for assassination to shut down their views and try to kill a movement? Or they were unfortunate victims of a dumb*** who was apparently too stupid to consider that he may be blindly murdering the people he thought he was standing up for?


I mean, we can mourn all three, but it may be undertsandable to think that it hits a little differently when we realize that we're living in a country where the former just happened.
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You are drawing an awfully fine distinction, which is meritless. If they were killed by a politically motivated shooter, it shouldn't matter what the politics of either the shooter or the victim was, wouldn't you agree?

Or is it only SOME victims of certain kinds of violence with certain intent that fits the criteria?
 
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lawgator1 said:
You are drawing an awfully fine distinction, which is meritless. If they were killed by a politically motivated shooter, it shouldn't matter what the politics of either the shooter or the victim was, wouldn't you agree?

Or is it only SOME victims of certain kinds of violence with certain intent that fits the criteria?
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lawgator1 said:
You are drawing an awfully fine distinction, which is meritless. If they were killed by a politically motivated shooter, it shouldn't matter what the politics of either the shooter or the victim was, wouldn't you agree?

Or is it only SOME victims of certain kinds of violence with certain intent that fits the criteria?
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WTH are you talking about?

If the assassin was trying to kill someone else, were their deaths political? Or would the ICE agents' deaths have been political? I'm not seeing how an accidental death is death for political motives.

I mean, I mourn their deaths. They are fellow humans, likely with loved ones. That aside, they are fellow humans with intrinsic value, created for purpose in the image of God. But calling their deaths "political", when they were collateral damage in the vicinity of the actual targets? No. That's a hard no. And the line between them and CK is not fine at all in that context.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
WTH are you talking about?

If the assassin was trying to kill someone else, were their deaths political? Or would the ICE agents' deaths have been political? I'm not seeing how an accidental death is death for political motives.

I mean, I mourn their deaths. They are fellow humans, likely with loved ones. That aside, they are fellow humans with intrinsic value, created for purpose in the image of God. But calling their deaths "political", when they were collateral damage in the vicinity of the actual targets? No. That's a hard no. And the line between them and CK is not fine at all in that context.
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to be fair the right points to the deaths at the Butler shooting as political, and they were certainly not the targets of that political attack.
 
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LouderVol said:
it was your argument.

"If the assassin was trying to kill someone else, were their deaths political?"
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OK. Those being the immigrants. If there is a similar incident that the right miscategorized, then they would not be political shootings. What did I post that made you question whether I would change my tune depending on the sides?

Geez, guy. Are there any more assumptions and strawmen you want to detour into? I'm not trying to make party arguments. I'm dealing with LG's claims.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
WTH are you talking about?

If the assassin was trying to kill someone else, were their deaths political? Or would the ICE agents' deaths have been political? I'm not seeing how an accidental death is death for political motives.

I mean, I mourn their deaths. They are fellow humans, likely with loved ones. That aside, they are fellow humans with intrinsic value, created for purpose in the image of God. But calling their deaths "political", when they were collateral damage in the vicinity of the actual targets? No. That's a hard no. And the line between them and CK is not fine at all in that context.
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So now you are tying whether sympathy is due to whether the victim was the indented target? That's awful.

These detainees are as dead as Charlie Kirk. If evidence bears out, all three killings were the result of politically motivated violence. That places them on equal footing in terms of who deserves prayers and condolences from our leadership.
 
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lawgator1 said:
So now you are tying whether sympathy is due to whether the victim was the indented target? That's awful.

These detainees are as dead as Charlie Kirk. If evidence bears out, all three killings were the result of politically motivated violence. That places them on equal footing in terms of who deserves prayers and condolences from our leadership.
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Excuse me? I'm making a distinction about whether the deaths are politically equivalent to CK's. How could you read that post and feel the need to create that strawman?

Is there something in the water here?

Orange_Crush said:
WTH are you talking about?

If the assassin was trying to kill someone else, were their deaths political? Or would the ICE agents' deaths have been political? I'm not seeing how an accidental death is death for political motives.

I mean, I mourn their deaths. They are fellow humans, likely with loved ones. That aside, they are fellow humans with intrinsic value, created for purpose in the image of God. But calling their deaths "political", when they were collateral damage in the vicinity of the actual targets? No. That's a hard no. And the line between them and CK is not fine at all in that context.
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Are you OK?
 
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marshmallow soft would be kind.

I am thinking of Mitch Hedberg now. "An escalator can never break, it can only become stairs. You should never have a "Escalator Temporarily Out of Order" sign, just "Escalator Temporarily Stairs, sorry for the convenience.""
 
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LouderVol said:
marshmallow soft would be kind.

I am thinking of Mitch Hedberg now. "An escalator can never break, it can only become stairs. You should never have a "Escalator Temporarily Out of Order" sign, just "Escalator Temporarily Stairs, sorry for the convenience.""
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Him and Steven Wright seemed to be on the same vibe. I remember Mitch had one that went something like

"I went to one of those record stores that says they specialize in 'hard to find' records...nothing was alphabetized."
 
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hndog609 said:
Him and Steven Wright seemed to be on the same vibe. I remember Mitch had one that went something like

"I went to one of those record stores that says they specialize in 'hard to find' records...nothing was alphabetized."
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I used to do drugs. I still do drugs. But I used to, too.

Every picture of you is when you were younger.

I haven't slept for ten days, because that would be too long.

I saw this wino, he was eating grapes. I was like, "Dude, you have to wait".
 
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lawgator1 said:
You are drawing an awfully fine distinction, which is meritless. If they were killed by a politically motivated shooter, it shouldn't matter what the politics of either the shooter or the victim was, wouldn't you agree?

Or is it only SOME victims of certain kinds of violence with certain intent that fits the criteria?
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The criminals were killed by an inept politically motivated shooter.
 
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