President Donald Trump - J.D. Vance Administration

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BeardedVol said:
Have we spent more or less than the ~$96 billion/year that undocumented "immagrants" contribute to tax coffers?
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Yes, by a great deal. Sadly, this is a 2013 article using 2010 data. Excluding cost increases over the last 15 years, the ~50M undocumented in our country generate a $719B annual expense to US taxpayers ($14,387 x 50M).

From the article:

In 2010, the average unlawful immigrant household received around $24,721 in government benefits and services while paying some $10,334 in taxes.

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www.heritage.org

The Fiscal Cost of Unlawful Immigrants and Amnesty to the U.S. Taxpayer

Executive Summary Unlawful immigration and amnesty for current unlawful immigrants can pose large fiscal costs for U.S. taxpayers. Government provides four types of benefits and services that are relevant to this issue:
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NashVol11 said:
The fact that they are low wage jobs keeps things cheaper than they otherwise would be. They pay into Social Security, Medicare, etc. and aren't eligible to receive those benefits. I would say that only an idiot would think they are somehow an economic drain
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I keep hearing " low wage" slave labor etc.
Wonder why they pick so many cucumber ,peaches, tomatoes per day? It's because they are not paid hourly wages. It's by the peace or field. Many make over $20/hrs.
I saw where a Utah dairy farmer offered $15/hrs plus housing to replace his immigrant labor. No takers.
 
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CobbVol said:
Yes, by a great deal. Sadly, this is a 2013 article using 2010 data. Excluding cost increases over the last 15 years, the ~50M undocumented in our country generate a $719B annual expense to US taxpayers ($14,387 x 50M).

From the article:

In 2010, the average unlawful immigrant household received around $24,721 in government benefits and services while paying some $10,334 in taxes.

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www.heritage.org

The Fiscal Cost of Unlawful Immigrants and Amnesty to the U.S. Taxpayer

Executive Summary Unlawful immigration and amnesty for current unlawful immigrants can pose large fiscal costs for U.S. taxpayers. Government provides four types of benefits and services that are relevant to this issue:
www.heritage.org www.heritage.org
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You all have been using that heritage foundation report for over a decade now, and you still don't mention that all of the calculations are based on a 50 year projection that assumes every household that has illegal immigrants on it in 2010, will be at the same economic level in 2060.

To quote the flaming liberal Marco Rubio:
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That's not even getting into the methodology used by heritage where they include the numbers by trying to count the cost of public school education for US citizen children of the undocumented.
www.factcheck.org

The Immigration Bill's '$6.3 Trillion Price Tag' - FactCheck.org

Critics of a bipartisan Senate bill to overhaul the nation’s immigration system falsely claim that it will cost an additional $6.3 trillion, citing a study by a conservative group that opposes the bill.
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BeardedVol said:
You all have been using that heritage foundation report for over a decade now, and you still don't mention that all of the calculations are based on a 50 year projection that assumes every household that has illegal immigrants on it in 2010, will be at the same economic level in 2060.

To quote the flaming liberal Marco Rubio:
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That's not even getting into the methodology used by heritage where they include the numbers by trying to count the cost of public school education for US citizen children of the undocumented.
www.factcheck.org

The Immigration Bill's '$6.3 Trillion Price Tag' - FactCheck.org

Critics of a bipartisan Senate bill to overhaul the nation’s immigration system falsely claim that it will cost an additional $6.3 trillion, citing a study by a conservative group that opposes the bill.
www.factcheck.org www.factcheck.org
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swampfoxfan said:
I keep hearing " low wage" slave labor etc.
Wonder why they pick so many cucumber ,peaches, tomatoes per day? It's because they are not paid hourly wages. It's by the peace or field. Many make over $20/hrs.
I saw where a Utah dairy farmer offered $15/hrs plus housing to replace his immigrant labor. No takers.
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Isn’t that how they use to do cotton?
 
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BeardedVol said:
Lol pointing out that the heritage foundation skewed their report by tailoring the methodology and assumptions to generate an emotional response in "conservatives" rather than produce an objective study is a 'red herring'?
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The analysis of the household deficit of $14,387 was not disputed, only how it was projected. I am applying it to the open border policy you supported over the last 4 years that generated ~50m illegals and the unfortunate result on our country and taxpayers. Conservatively being $719B.

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n_huffhines said:
I love America and no way is Vance this bad for America. Harkening back to my Mormon days, @PEPPERJAX

"It is better that one man should perish than that a nation should dwindle and perish"​

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He probably wouldn’t be, but saying out loud one is hoping the President will die is beyond the pale.
 
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Vol737 said:
He probably wouldn’t be, but saying out loud one is hoping the President will die is beyond the pale.
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If God takes him, who are you to argue? I'm not apologizing for loving America.

Is it better that one person live and America dwindle? Forget about the characters at play, just give an honest answer.

Trump's got blood on his hands as he is greenlighting weapons to Israel to kill tens of thousands of innocent women and children, so yeah, he can die of old age.
 
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n_huffhines said:
If God takes him, who are you to argue? I'm not apologizing for loving America.

Is it better that one person live and America dwindle? Forget about the characters at play, just give an honest answer.

Trump's got blood on his hands as he is greenlighting weapons to Israel to kill tens of thousands of innocent women and children, so yeah, he can die of old age.
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Then that’s God’s call. Still absurd for EL out here wishing out loud, or anyone else. I’m not happy with a lot of what Trump is doing, but I’m not going down the rabbit holes you presented with you. Just keeping it in a basic context.
 
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Vol737 said:
Then that’s God’s call. Still absurd for EL out here wishing out loud, or anyone else. I’m not happy with a lot of what Trump is doing, but I’m not going down the rabbit holes you presented with you. Just keeping it in a basic context.
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These people are broken..quite pathetic.
 
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CobbVol said:
The analysis of the household deficit of $14,387 was not disputed, only how it was projected. I am applying it to the open border policy you supported over the last 4 years that generated ~50m illegals and the unfortunate result on our country and taxpayers. Conservatively being $719B.

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Do you really believe this??
 
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