President Donald Trump - J.D. Vance Administration

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LouderVol said:
after years/decades of promising to investigate this major criminal ring of pedophiles to turn up absolutely nothing makes them look like fools for those years/decades if there really was nothing.
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Logically its ww3 if they start the release process and start the prosecutions in mass, but at the end of the day that is what you have to do to bring it down. If you actually see right now, everyone is keeping their distance. The material is not a deterrent once its released and used. Either way, this isn't going away - Vance is the one that is going to pay the price for all this and the foreign policy nonsense.

Its like Trump campaigning on "drain the swamp" during his first term, yet he didn't drain the swamp.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Logically its ww3 if they start the release process and start the prosecutions in mass, but at the end of the day that is what you have to do to bring it down. If you actually see right now, everyone is keeping their distance. The material is not a deterrent once its released and used. Either way, this isn't going away - Vance is the one that is going to pay the price for all this and the foreign policy nonsense.

Its like Trump campaigning on "drain the swamp" during his first term, yet he didn't drain the swamp.
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What foreign policy are you blaming Vance for
 
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Vol8188 said:
Foreign policy (outside of trade) has been one of the hallmarks of this administration
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No more wars: Iran
No more support for Ukraine: Sending more weapons


Combine that with the Epstein stuff I suspect there is a large portion of his fanboys, who if honest, are heavily disenfranchised
 
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volfanhill said:
No more wars: Iran
No more support for Ukraine: Sending more weapons


Combine that with the Epstein stuff I suspect there is a large portion of his fanboys, who if honest, are heavily disenfranchised
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Both were the right decisions. Listening to the Tucker Carlson’s of the world would’ve been the poor choice.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Both were the right decisions. Listening to the Tucker Carlson’s of the world would’ve been the poor choice.
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According to you. I agree. But it certainly is the opposite of what he campaigned on. Now don't tell LG, but he isn't running for reelection, so it doesn't really matter to him politically
 
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volfanhill said:
According to you. I agree. But it certainly is the opposite of what he campaigned on. Now don't tell LG, but he isn't running for reelection, so it doesn't really matter to him politically
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Disagree with Iran. He’s been stating they cannot have a weapon for a long time and we are not at war with Iran.

Agree with Ukraine. He oversold by a long shot his ability to negotiate with Putin. But he’s doing the right thing now by aiding Ukraine because that’s the only way you’re going to bring Putin to the table.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Foreign policy (outside of trade) has been one of the hallmarks of this administration
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Seems like a disaster to me, at this point this administration owns it and in turn Vance owns it. If you think people are going to look back on this as something they wanted, I don't think you have been paying attention and for sure haven't been paying attention to what Vance and Gabbard have been speaking about. Its pretty simple, they either stop with the BS or not, its their choice.

Trump is going to do what Trump wants to do, but in the end all the receipts go on Vance.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Seems like a disaster to me, at this point this administration owns it and in turn Vance owns it. If you think people are going to look back on this as something they wanted, I don't think you have been paying attention and for sure haven't been paying attention to what Vance and Gabbard have been speaking about. Its pretty simple, they either stop with the BS or not, its their choice.

Trump is going to do what Trump wants to do, but in the end all the receipts go on Vance.
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What BS are you talking about?
 
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LSU-SIU said:
It doesn't seem vague at all. It actually seems like you understood the whole thing, which is why you reacted that way. 🤷‍♂️
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You mentioned “foreign policy” and never at any point specified which of the numerous aspects of foreign policy you take issue with. I simply asked for clarification.

Is the Brazilian tariff?
 
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Vol8188 said:
Disagree with Iran. He’s been stating they cannot have a weapon for a long time and we are not at war with Iran.

Agree with Ukraine. He oversold by a long shot his ability to negotiate with Putin. But he’s doing the right thing now by aiding Ukraine because that’s the only way you’re going to bring Putin to the table.
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Russia starts a bombing campaign in the US. then China rolls up and drops bunker busters on our nuclear facilities. Is Russia at war? is China at war? are we at war?

this is not a standard you could ever hold.
 
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LouderVol said:
Russia starts a bombing campaign in the US. then China rolls up and drops bunker busters on our nuclear facilities. Is Russia at war? is China at war? are we at war?

this is not a standard you could ever hold.
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Are you proclaiming we are currently at war with Iran? Because not even Iran is claiming that.

There’s numerous issues with your example. The most obvious being the massive asymmetry between our military and Iran’s.

The fact that your examples of countries who would attack the US are both China and Russia, is further reason why we should support the Ukraine and keeping Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Are you proclaiming we are currently at war with Iran? Because not even Iran is claiming that.

There’s numerous issues with your example. The most obvious being the massive asymmetry between our military and Iran’s.

The fact that your examples of countries who would attack the US are both China and Russia, is further reason why we should support the Ukraine and keeping Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon.
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ok, an alien invasion force shows up and blows up our nuclear weapons, and then leaves. are we at war?

or what about Pearl Harbor. Japan hadn't declared war at that moment. neither had we. In your book do you include that as part of our WW2 involvement?

how do you consider the bombings or Iraq or Afghanistan before our invasion? this is the type of crap we critiqued in Syria, Libya, and probably a dozen other places. but because our President is orange we aren't allowed to think negatively about it.

the very question you are asking is why it never should have been done. these are the type of escalatory actions that have lead to wars throughout history, and when we go back and look at them we don't sit there and say "it wasn't part of the war because no piece of paper had been signed." you are playing a stupid semantics game without pointing out any difference between a "war" and this "not war".

unless I have somehow missed it, us supplying Ukraine hasn't lead to some pre Dec 8th 1941 industrial build up in the US to prep for war. so I don't see how you can argue it as a "should". its more wasted government spending and extra judicial foreign deaths.
 
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