President Donald Trump - J.D. Vance Administration

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GroverCleveland said:
I can kind of understand the angst among our resident TDS population. After all, do they not believe in forecasts predicting average temperature changes to within a tenth or two of a degree some x number of decades in the future?

If one buys into that, and the requisite government oversight to manage it, believing that what happened in Texas is the sole responsibility of one man is but a small mental slide to the left.
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You guys are funny
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
It wasn't so much sarcasm, as it was trying to make a point with an exaggerated comment. The forecasts of the National Weather Service were off by a mile. Your post makes it seem as though whoever is calling them out for it, is setting an unreasonably high expectation for their accuracy. Politics shouldn't be played with this .... but those forecasts were terrible by any standard.
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How is it setting an unreasonably high expectation to have a precise forecast for a weather event in real time when one expects a seemingly precise prediction (+- tenths of a degree changes) of average world temperature decades in the future? I certainly understand if the expectation is with minutes of actual events.

I really have not looked at the timeline and forecasts, as from my experience I do not expect precise forecasting of weather events real-time, let alone average world temperatures 50 years from now, so how bad off were they? Forecasts and actuality along a timeline? I assume you have compiled it or have it available based on the statement they were off by a mile.
 
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I tire of the blame games. My prayers are with the families of those lost. I watched an interview with a camper describing a campsite with 2 adults and 4 kids , all washed away. He listened to kids screaming in terror and he was helpless to do anything. Has to be gut tearing.

As for the outrage of trump golfing on the weekend, just what the he## was he supposed to do? Suit up in diving gear? His attendance with a security entourage would only disrupt rescue attempts.
 
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swampfoxfan said:
I tire of the blame games. My prayers are with the families of those lost. I watched an interview with a camper describing a campsite with 2 adults and 4 kids , all washed away. He listened to kids screaming in terror and he was helpless to do anything. Has to be gut tearing.

As for the outrage of trump golfing on the weekend, just what the he## was he supposed to do? Suit up in diving gear? His attendance with a security entourage would only disrupt rescue attempts.
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Wow! Both you and LG with level-headed, objective posts on the same day.

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swampfoxfan said:
I tire of the blame games. My prayers are with the families of those lost. I watched an interview with a camper describing a campsite with 2 adults and 4 kids , all washed away. He listened to kids screaming in terror and he was helpless to do anything. Has to be gut tearing.

As for the outrage of trump golfing on the weekend, just what the he## was he supposed to do? Suit up in diving gear? His attendance with a security entourage would only disrupt rescue attempts.
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That would be a nightmare that never goes away.

I might have paid to see the part in bold. :D
 
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GroverCleveland said:
How is it setting an unreasonably high expectation to have a precise forecast for a weather event in real time when one expects a seemingly precise prediction (+- tenths of a degree changes) of average world temperature decades in the future? I certainly understand if the expectation is with minutes of actual events.

I really have not looked at the timeline and forecasts, as from my experience I do not expect precise forecasting of weather events real-time, let alone average world temperatures 50 years from now, so how bad off were they? Forecasts and actuality along a timeline? I assume you have compiled it or have it available based on the statement they were off by a mile.
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The National Weather Service in San Angelo, Texas initially predicted 3 to 6 inches of rainfall for the Concho Valley on Wednesday July 2nd.

An estimated 14.46 inches of rainfall fell 7 miles northwest of San Angelo in the 24 hours leading up to 8:45 am on Friday July 4th.
 
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Trump on June 10, 2025:

“We want to wean off of FEMA, and we want to bring it down to the state level,” Trump told reporters during a briefing in the Oval Office, later saying, “A governor should be able to handle it, and frankly, if they can’t handle it, the aftermath, then maybe they shouldn’t be governor.”

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Trump on July 6, 2025, not even a month later, and having deployed FEMA to Texas and being asked about his proposal to end FEMA:

"They're busy working, so we'll leave it at that."



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lawgator1 said:
Trump on June 10, 2025:

“We want to wean off of FEMA, and we want to bring it down to the state level,” Trump told reporters during a briefing in the Oval Office, later saying, “A governor should be able to handle it, and frankly, if they can’t handle it, the aftermath, then maybe they shouldn’t be governor.”

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Trump on July 6, 2025, not even a month later, and having deployed FEMA to Texas and being asked about his proposal to end FEMA:

"They're busy working, so we'll leave it at that."



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lawgator1 said:
Trump on June 10, 2025:

“We want to wean off of FEMA, and we want to bring it down to the state level,” Trump told reporters during a briefing in the Oval Office, later saying, “A governor should be able to handle it, and frankly, if they can’t handle it, the aftermath, then maybe they shouldn’t be governor.”

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Trump on July 6, 2025, not even a month later, and having deployed FEMA to Texas and being asked about his proposal to end FEMA:

"They're busy working, so we'll leave it at that."



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Never let a crisis go to waste! - Rahm Emanuel (LG posting)
 
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lawgator1 said:
Trump on June 10, 2025:

“We want to wean off of FEMA, and we want to bring it down to the state level,” Trump told reporters during a briefing in the Oval Office, later saying, “A governor should be able to handle it, and frankly, if they can’t handle it, the aftermath, then maybe they shouldn’t be governor.”

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Trump on July 6, 2025, not even a month later, and having deployed FEMA to Texas and being asked about his proposal to end FEMA:

"They're busy working, so we'll leave it at that."



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That sorry SOB. Less than 25 days after making that statement, there he goes! Using FEMA. I mean really! As fast as Trump moves, that should have all been taken care of weeks ago.
 
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GroverCleveland said:
That sorry SOB. Less than 25 days after making that statement, there he goes! Using FEMA. I mean really! As fast as Trump moves, that should have all been taken care of weeks ago.
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I am not criticizing Trump for the NWS cuts as I don't think there is even close to enough information to tie that to what happened. I have not seen anything that proves that criticism has any merit and doubt it did.

But, that is a different matter than FEMA. Trump has expressly said he wants to end it and if the states can't handle disasters, that's on them. And then here he is deploying FEMA. Seems internally inconsistent to me and pretty obviously reflects that, as is so often the case with him, he hasn't thought through a lot of his statements or proposals and is forced to backtrack. Never taking responsibility for he said.
 
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McDad said:
Agreed. Maybe this is a simulation.

Quick, punch yourself in the face and see if it hurts.
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I leave for 5 mins and you guys got a swamp Gator and a Fox agreeing to be normal and rational . Feels less like a miracle , and more like Voodoo . 😊
 
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I can't help but think of "Sharpie-Gate," when the subject of Donald Trump and the National Weather Service is in the news. No episode better illustrates Donald Trump's petty and egotistical nature, than the time he used a Sharpie to alter the trajectory of a hurricane forecast on a weather map .... just so he could "win" an argument with the NWS over whether or not Alabama was at risk of being hit.

www.cbsnews.com

Former top NOAA scientist under Trump issues a "Sharpie-gate" warning

Craig McLean said many scientists "are worried about President Donald Trump's return to office — after he undermined science in his first term."
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^^^^ Donald Trump at his childish best. ^^^^

Classic stuff. With anyone else serving as President of the United States, this would be too ridiculous to believe. With Donald Trump, however? It was business as usual.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Yes, my agenda was pointing out in Trump's own words that he says whatever sounds good to him in the moment and that he thinks people want to hear. Then clams up when called out on it.
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Just say it, your happy kids died so you can post about it.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I am not criticizing Trump for the NWS cuts as I don't think there is even close to enough information to tie that to what happened. I have not seen anything that proves that criticism has any merit and doubt it did.

But, that is a different matter than FEMA. Trump has expressly said he wants to end it and if the states can't handle disasters, that's on them. And then here he is deploying FEMA. Seems internally inconsistent to me and pretty obviously reflects that, as is so often the case with him, he hasn't thought through a lot of his statements or proposals and is forced to backtrack. Never taking responsibility for he said.
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Yes, when one is talking about local weather events, it seems ridiculous to expect precision. Like blaming the NWS for a tornado becoming an F4 when conditions indicated F2 and not predicting it six hours ahead of time.

Anyway, with regards to the latter, it seems this is a very tough take. Literally 25 days ago he made the statement. (I agree with him by the way on the approach to eliminate FEMA and return this type if response to the states). Did you really expect him to have dismantled the apparatus in place and to have moved everything to the state level in time to deal with an unpredictable event like this in that amount of time?

Don't get me wrong, my opinion of FEMA is they are a bunch of inept Federal bureaucrats. But 25 days later what exactly did you expect him to do? Come out with "sorry, I don't like FEMA, you're on your own Texas?"
 
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lawgator1 said:
I am not criticizing Trump for the NWS cuts as I don't think there is even close to enough information to tie that to what happened. I have not seen anything that proves that criticism has any merit and doubt it did.

But, that is a different matter than FEMA. Trump has expressly said he wants to end it and if the states can't handle disasters, that's on them. And then here he is deploying FEMA. Seems internally inconsistent to me and pretty obviously reflects that, as is so often the case with him, he hasn't thought through a lot of his statements or proposals and is forced to backtrack. Never taking responsibility for he said.
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It's not inconsistent to use an agency that hasn't been disbanded yet.

If he hadn't sent FEMA to TX you'd be the first one here blasting him for abandoning the people that voted for him.
 
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