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BowlBrother85 said:
The outrage on here over this flash flood disaster being politicized is justified.

It is tasteless and insensitive to play politics in the aftermath of disasters. It's also fair to point out how this particular outrage is highly selective. When Donald Trump does something similar, it will either be ignored or defended by most of you with something like, "Trump shouldn't have said that, but the libs do the same thing to him .... so screw 'em."
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Yet politicizing national disasters was trendy with the media long before Trump.

I’ve still not forgotten Bush and Katrina
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
It wasn't so much sarcasm, as it was trying to make a point with an exaggerated comment. The forecasts of the National Weather Service were off by a mile. Your post makes it seem as though whoever is calling them out for it, is setting an unreasonably high expectation for their accuracy. Politics shouldn't be played with this .... but those forecasts were terrible by any standard.
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They issued flash a flood watch as early as 12 hours out.

What specifically do you believe they were “off by a mile” regarding
 
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hog88 said:
Not to mention the forecasts aren't precise.
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Around 12 hours out they were projecting 5-7 inches of rain. The camp the girls were at received 10.

7 vs 10 is a pretty decent forecast. They’re never going to be perfect and a lot can change in 12 hours.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Around 12 hours out they were projecting 5-7 inches of rain. The camp the girls were at received 10.

7 vs 10 is a pretty decent forecast. They’re never going to be perfect and a lot can change in 12 hours.
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It may sound cold and callous and in no way am I intending this comment to be cold or callous.

Local knowledge should have came into play at some point with the amount of rain ( I know it wasn't precise) predicted. The locals should know those rivers are prone to flooding.
 
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hog88 said:
I blamed him, I lost thousands or maybe just hundreds, or 10s of dollars in guns. He didn't tell me that I should have had insurance for them.
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LG has been trying to force you and every other gun owner in America to carry insurance for years now. Clearly you should’ve listened. #LGisAlwaysRight
 
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hog88 said:
It may sound cold and callous and in no way am I intending this comment to be cold or callous.

Local knowledge should have came into play at some point with the amount of rain ( I know it wasn't precise) predicted. The locals should know those rivers are prone to flooding.
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I agree. Specifically those running a girl’s summer camp. Idk the exact geography, but if you run a camp near a river and there’s flood warnings earlier that day, there should be systems in place for monitoring that
 
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Vol8188 said:
Yet politicizing national disasters was trendy with the media long before Trump.

I’ve still not forgotten Bush and Katrina
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Hurricane Katrina from 2005 involved a very different set of circumstances, where the government really was at least somewhat culpable for inaction concerning the vulnerability of levees and flood walls and the possibility for catastrophic failure. No one person or even one administration is to blame for it, but they had over a decade to address the problem, and never did.

abcnews.go.com

New Orleans Levee Warnings Went Unheeded

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Documents Show Katrina Warnings Ignored

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hog88 said:
It may sound cold and callous and in no way am I intending this comment to be cold or callous.

Local knowledge should have came into play at some point with the amount of rain ( I know it wasn't precise) predicted. The locals should know those rivers are prone to flooding.
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What would you have the locals do? Go around and tell people at risk to evacuate?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Hurricane Katrina from 2005 involved a very different set of circumstances, where the government really was at least somewhat culpable for inaction concerning the vulnerability of levees and flood walls and the possibility for catastrophic failure. No one person or even one administration is to blame for it, but they had over a decade to address the problem, and never did.

abcnews.go.com

New Orleans Levee Warnings Went Unheeded

abcnews.go.com abcnews.go.com

abcnews.go.com

Documents Show Katrina Warnings Ignored

abcnews.go.com abcnews.go.com
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Nothing you just posted backs the claim that this was the fault of Bush or his administration. Which was the claim the media ran with
 
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Vol8188 said:
Nothing you just posted backs the claim that this was the fault of Bush or his administration. Which was the claim the media ran with
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In the 2nd link, it is clearly spelled out how President George W. Bush lied about not having any advance warning of the potential for levee breaches. In fact, 2 days before the levee breach, he had received warning from the Department of Homeland Security which detailed the possibility of a breach .... and yet. GWB went on Good Morning America and lied, anyway.

Does that make the disaster his fault? No, and I never said that it was, but he is a liar.
 
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hog88 said:
It may sound cold and callous and in no way am I intending this comment to be cold or callous.

Local knowledge should have came into play at some point with the amount of rain ( I know it wasn't precise) predicted. The locals should know those rivers are prone to flooding.
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There was precedent in this area for this type of flooding. Google 1987 Texas flooding. This was just a really piss poor job of forecasting. That’s it. And nothing to do with any Trump cuts as there simply wasn’t enough time for that to hit. In fact the NWS had already said they were staffed higher than normal on the day or days prior in anticipation of a weather event they needed to be monitoring. They just simply didn’t anticipate an even of this magnitude
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
In the 2nd link, it is clearly spelled out how President George W. Bush lied about not having any advance warning of the potential for levee breaches. In fact, 2 days before the levee breach, he had received warning from the Department of Homeland Security which detailed the possibility of a breach .... and yet. GWB went on Good Morning America and lied, anyway.

Does that make the disaster his fault? No, and I never said that it was, but he is a liar.
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When you’re the president you get messages about “the possibility of” something daily. Even then your own link states nothing could have been done in that short time frame.

This is nothing and you’re trying to make it into something
 
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Vol8188 said:
When you’re the president you get messages about “the possibility of” something daily. Even then your own link states nothing could have been done in that short time frame.

This is nothing and you’re trying to make it into something
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No, I'm not. I said it wasn't any one person's fault or even the fault of any one administration.

However, I don't believe that George W. Bush forgot about the contents of such an important briefing in 48 hours. He did the same thing with Katrina that he did when trying to justify the 2003 invasion of Iraq .... He lied. It's what liars often do.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
There was precedent in this area for this type of flooding. Google 1987 Texas flooding. This was just a really piss poor job of forecasting. That’s it. And nothing to do with any Trump cuts as there simply wasn’t enough time for that to hit. In fact the NWS had already said they were staffed higher than normal on the day or days prior in anticipation of a weather event they needed to be monitoring. They just simply didn’t anticipate an even of this magnitude
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nypost.com

Texas officials scrapped ‘Flash Flood Alley’ warning system before 27 killed at Camp Mystic — because it was too expensive

Officials in Kerr County, Texas — where 27 campers and counselors at a Christian summer camp were killed in catastrophic flooding — had discussed installing a flood warning system along…
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Found this interesting, but sure how accurate. NY Post quoting the NY Times.
 
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