President Donald Trump - J.D. Vance Administration

[LouderVol]

We don't know what the Government’s review process is....at least i don't. Hog is also unaware.
You have traveled abroad. We're you processed into the country you visited?

only at the port of entry. I was, unfortunately, the loud American a couple times, and never had to provide my 'papers' once I was in.

I actually was kinda ticked, only Italy stamped my passport, I was able to talk the Austrians into also stamping it, but the Germans refused. call me old fashioned but the open borders in the EU kept my passport a lot emptier than I wanted it to be.

 

[McDad]

only at the port of entry. I was, unfortunately, the loud American a couple times, and never had to provide my 'papers' once I was in.

I actually was kinda ticked, only Italy stamped my passport, I was able to talk the Austrians into also stamping it, but the Germans refused. call me old fashioned but the open borders in the EU kept my passport a lot emptier than I wanted it to be.

OK. You were processed in at the point of entry. There is a record of you, your reason for being in their country, and your passport. Correct?

 

[CobbVol]

yeah sure, why not.

the government, and the power we allow them to seize, worries me far more than all the fentanyl to ever cross our border.

20M people over the past 4 years. Larger than the population of 47 of our 50 states.

 

[MercyPercy]

This is near conspiratorial levels of delusion.

Ice has already detained/arrested American citizens and tossed them in the pig pen until it got sorted later. Not sure why you're acting like it's crazy when it already happened. While the likelihood of it happening to someone who looks like me or Louder is probably low, it's a legitimate concern from others and certainly not delusional for them to feel that way. Arrest em all and let god sort em out seems to be the strategy.

 

[McDad]

Ice has already detained/arrested American citizens and tossed them in the pig pen until it got sorted later. Not sure why you're acting like it's crazy when it already happened. While the likelihood of it happening to someone who looks like me or Louder is probably low, it's a legitimate concern from others and certainly not delusional for them to feel that way. Arrest em all and let god sort em out seems to be the strategy.

I and other posters are not aware of Ice's review process. Are you?

 

[LouderVol]

This is near conspiratorial levels of delusion.

how so?

I have already established that Real ID doesn't prove citizenship. and I doubt ICE is accepting that. I would argue if they actually care about doing their jobs, they wouldn't accept Real ID.

Georgia REAL ID

REAL ID Documents you may be required to bring when visiting a Customer Service Center.

dds.georgia.gov

• Non-Citizens: Must submit original immigration documents for each driver’s license or ID service request.

and I pointed out how even if you were a legal immigrant at the time of issuance of the Real ID, that status can change with a stroke of Trump's pen. so its really not a viable proof of anything, which is why it was a dumb thing in the first place. like feeling up grandmas in the TSA line, I guess it makes people feel safe so its worth it somehow.

what's the conspiracy to my hypothetical? saying that the government is incompetent enough to get something wrong? arguing that a bigger government doesn't make bureaucracy any better/more effective? pointing out that the Supreme Court has ruled in favor of Trump avoiding the typical deportation process?

just because it hasn't happened yet, to our knowledge because who expects a politician or bureaucrat to own up to anything, is small reason to trust the expansion of government powers while stepping on individual rights.

 

[LouderVol]

OK. You were processed in at the point of entry. There is a record of you, your reason for being in their country, and your passport. Correct?

only in 2 of the 4 countries I entered. and one of those was specifically because I went and stood in a line I didn't need to just to get my passport stamped.

 

[LouderVol]

20M people over the past 4 years. Larger than the population of 47 of our 50 states.

yeah, the government has the ability to kill, or at the very least reduce the rights, of far more than 20 million people.

 

[UT_VOLS13]

2024 election results under scrutiny as lawsuit advances

A judge has ruled that a lawsuit questioning the election results in Rockland County, New York, can proceed to discovery.

www.newsweek.com

 

[MercyPercy]

I and other posters are not aware of Ice's review process. Are you?

Whatever their review process was led to American citizens being tossed in holding cells.

They should have had the chip!

 

[McDad]

only in 2 of the 4 countries I entered. and one of those was specifically because I went and stood in a line I didn't need to just to get my passport stamped.

Great. So, when someone is in America with no passport and no record of being processed in, with no ability to produce any records of citizenship, what does that mean?

 

[LouderVol]

Whatever their review process was led to American citizens being tossed in holding cells.

They should have had the chip!

dude its totally fine. the government will 100% not abuse its power, and will definitely relinquish it once Trump magically deports all these illegals.

its not like Trump has a history of fumbling a national emergency and handing WAY too much power over to unelected individuals who took away personal rights during, and after, that time of emergency. he is a totally different person now.

 

[McDad]

how so?

I have already established that Real ID doesn't prove citizenship. and I doubt ICE is accepting that. I would argue if they actually care about doing their jobs, they wouldn't accept Real ID.

Georgia REAL ID

REAL ID Documents you may be required to bring when visiting a Customer Service Center.

dds.georgia.gov

• Non-Citizens: Must submit original immigration documents for each driver’s license or ID service request.

and I pointed out how even if you were a legal immigrant at the time of issuance of the Real ID, that status can change with a stroke of Trump's pen. so its really not a viable proof of anything, which is why it was a dumb thing in the first place. like feeling up grandmas in the TSA line, I guess it makes people feel safe so its worth it somehow.

what's the conspiracy to my hypothetical? saying that the government is incompetent enough to get something wrong? arguing that a bigger government doesn't make bureaucracy any better/more effective? pointing out that the Supreme Court has ruled in favor of Trump avoiding the typical deportation process?

just because it hasn't happened yet, to our knowledge because who expects a politician or bureaucrat to own up to anything, is small reason to trust the expansion of government powers while stepping on individual rights.

Because you have the capacity to verify American citizenship.

 

[LouderVol]

Great. So, when someone is in America with no passport and no record of being processed in, with no ability to produce any records of citizenship, what does that mean?

it means that the average citizen is getting a trip in the ICE van to a detention center.

 

[CobbVol]

yeah, the government has the ability to kill, or at the very least reduce the rights, of far more than 20 million people.

So bring in 20M more. Coexist. They vote and you don't. Too funny.

 

[LouderVol]

Because you have the capacity to verify American citizenship.

given time to prepare, or the off-chance to hire a lawyer from a detention facility.

thats not the America I want to live in.

 

[LouderVol]

So bring in 20M more. Coexist. They vote and you don't. Too funny.

you vote, and last I checked 20,000,000>1.

keep pretending that your ability to vote in a two party election protects you.

 

[McDad]

it means that the average citizen is getting a trip in the ICE van to a detention center.

It doesn't. There's no need for hyperbole if your reasoning is sound.

You were processed in when you went to another country. You had documents. What does it mean when there is no record of entry into America and no documents?

 

[McDad]

given time to prepare, or the off-chance to hire a lawyer from a detention facility.

thats not the America I want to live in.

It's a challenge to produce a social security number and a copy of your birth certificate?

 

[hog88]

it means that the average citizen is getting a trip in the ICE van to a detention center.

LOL

The average, hell, 95% or more of US citizens have nothing to worry about.

 

[C-south]

given time to prepare, or the off-chance to hire a lawyer from a detention facility.

thats not the America I want to live in.

You been hanging with huff, lg, swampy, and the rest of the looney libs?

 

[CobbVol]

you vote, and last I checked 20,000,000>1.

keep pretending that your ability to vote in a two party election protects you.

Does the color of the sky in Utopia change daily and does everyone get a white board to play pretend?

 

[Orange_Crush]

Ice has already detained/arrested American citizens and tossed them in the pig pen until it got sorted later. Not sure why you're acting like it's crazy when it already happened. While the likelihood of it happening to someone who looks like me or Louder is probably low, it's a legitimate concern from others and certainly not delusional for them to feel that way. Arrest em all and let god sort em out seems to be the strategy.

Can you link to specifics?

 

[Orange_Crush]

It doesn't. There's no need for hyperbole if your reasoning is sound.

You were processed in when you went to another country. You had documents. What does it mean when there is no record of entry into America and no documents?

A US citizen?

 

[Orange_Crush]

given time to prepare, or the off-chance to hire a lawyer from a detention facility.

thats not the America I want to live in.

Do you have a driver's license, and can you recite your SSN?