Prepare to be underwhelmed again on OC Hire

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Yankee_Vol said:
Not historically a "10 win" program? For the majority of college football history you really couldn't be because of the amount of games played Up until the 60's the Vols only played around 10 games a year (11 times they payed 11 or more from 1891 until 1965). Played 12 for the first time in 1950, and not again until 1970.

10 win seasons by decade
30's - 2
40's - 1
50's - 3
60's - 0
70's - 3
80's - 2
90's - 5
00's - 4
None since 2007.

In the 90's and 00's, Tennessee was a 10 win team nearly half the time.
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All teams are playing 14 games if they go to a bowl game. Comparing today’s won-loss to todays does not do justice to those played before the 1970s
 
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SmashMouth said:
underwelm?...we had a National Champion team loose so bad ....we had to play a South Dakota or whatever corn bread mid-western state team in a hole game....jezz, I think UT pretty much laid down all year.

what serious coordinator wants to come to our freak show?
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lol wut?
 
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This really gets back to past Butch bungles. He low balled, and insulted UT legend Tee Martin, who could now combine QB and OC into one title. This would have allowed UT to hire a dedicated special teams coach.

Of course Butch would never admit his offense isn't suited for the SEC.
 
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CAVPUT said:
Look at UT historically. They aren't a 10 win per year program. We are what we are. Keep standing reservations in Nashville. UT hasn't been seriously competitive since Dickey left. With this admin and staff, UT is nothing but a middle of the SEC type program. I don't expect championships anymore....in any sport. Just grab the special players and moments we do get and get a hobby. Hey, I've added to my retirement and dropped my handicap greatly since dropping my tn terrace seats a few years ago. Saturday afternoons are so much more relaxing and enjoyable. Go play 18, record the game, check the score over a beer in the clubhouse. We screw it up....hit delete and move on.

Many will blast me for being a lousy fan, but if UT is going to operate the way they are, don't expect much more from the fans. My family and I have had tickets since 1965. Eventually patience wears out. Can't keep serving ground beef and calling it filet for very long.
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So many fans are deluded into thinking UT is at the same level as Bama historically and should be at their level currently. UT has never been and never will have the glorious stature or tradition that Bama has. Even before Saban looking at both schools tradition historically shows that Bama is just at a much higher level than UT ever has been. Bama is elite. Sure, there may be a year here and there when the Vols rise up, but they never have been able to do it consistently. And of course with the unmatched Saban era running parallel with one of UT's worst stretches in history, the gap between the two programs continues to grow.

UT is what they are. A typical 4 loss a year program. A good program but not elite. UT is more like an Ole Miss, Iowa or Georgia than they ever were an equal for Alabama. It makes being a fan easier if you just accept this.

UT has a top 5 fan base, top 5 facilities, top 5 stadium, and tope 5 game day atmosphere. They just are not a top 5 program on the field. They hardly ever have been.
 
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Roustabout said:
This really gets back to past Butch bungles. He low balled, and insulted UT legend Tee Martin, who could now combine QB and OC into one title. This would have allowed UT to hire a dedicated special teams coach.

Of course Butch would never admit his offense isn't suited for the SEC.
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Link to your "low balled" Tee Martin info?
 
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Roustabout said:
This really gets back to past Butch bungles. He low balled, and insulted UT legend Tee Martin, who could now combine QB and OC into one title. This would have allowed UT to hire a dedicated special teams coach.

Of course Butch would never admit his offense isn't suited for the SEC.
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Not suited for the SEC, but it ranked 2nd in the SEC.. 🤔🤔

Logic.
 
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MaximumVOLtage said:
Not suited for the SEC, but it ranked 2nd in the SEC.. 🤔🤔

Logic.
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Here's the logic. Putting up big numbers isn't an indicator of success. See Hal Mumme and a myriad of other light it up offenses that lost.
Ball control, scoring efficiency, sustained drives and time of possession are what matters. I'll bet that UT also set a record in total plays this year. Remember the injuries? Remember the tempo game leading to early 3 and outs, putting the defense on it's heals. Is it possible that contributed to injuries?


If you want to set offensive records, fine, but that isn't how UT measures success, historically.
 
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Its Scott...

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Buster1972 said:
So many fans are deluded into thinking UT is at the same level as Bama historically and should be at their level currently. UT has never been and never will have the glorious stature or tradition that Bama has. Even before Saban looking at both schools tradition historically shows that Bama is just at a much higher level than UT ever has been. Bama is elite. Sure, there may be a year here and there when the Vols rise up, but they never have been able to do it consistently. And of course with the unmatched Saban era running parallel with one of UT's worst stretches in history, the gap between the two programs continues to grow.

UT is what they are. A typical 4 loss a year program. A good program but not elite. UT is more like an Ole Miss, Iowa or Georgia than they ever were an equal for Alabama. It makes being a fan easier if you just accept this.

UT has a top 5 fan base, top 5 facilities, top 5 stadium, and tope 5 game day atmosphere. They just are not a top 5 program on the field. They hardly ever have been.
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:good!: We want to be elite, but wanting to and being an elite program are two different things. I love the University of Tennessee, but I realize we do not have a storied history in our program like an ALA, Notre Dame, USC, or even OcryO State. The good news is we can get there. Look at Clemson! It takes a lot of work and dedication from a lot of people. Stay positive Vols!!!
 
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mtnmanvol39 said:
:good!: We want to be elite, but wanting to and being an elite program are two different things. I love the University of Tennessee, but I realize we do not have a storied history in our program like an ALA, Notre Dame, USC, or even OcryO State. The good news is we can get there. Look at Clemson! It takes a lot of work and dedication from a lot of people. Stay positive Vols!!!
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No one is feeling sorry for the Vols, after all they are one of the top 10 all time winning college football programs.....Notre Dame, OcryO State and USC, have nothing on the Vols:eek:lol:
 
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mtnmanvol39 said:
:good!: We want to be elite, but wanting to and being an elite program are two different things. I love the University of Tennessee, but I realize we do not have a storied history in our program like an ALA, Notre Dame, USC, or even OcryO State. The good news is we can get there. Look at Clemson! It takes a lot of work and dedication from a lot of people. Stay positive Vols!!!
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The nugget of truth in this post is a reflection of the dividing line on this site. These programs EXPECT to be elite. You can throw Michigan, Texas, UF, and FSU in there too. Maybe others.

"Wanting" to be elite leads you to excuse underperforming coaches and find satisfaction in 9 win seasons with 11 win rosters. "Expecting" to be elite makes it completely unacceptable to lose to USCe and Vandy with the East then the Sugar Bowl on the line... NO excuses.
 
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So are you saying that losing to USE and Vandy is unacceptable?

That is a fresh take...let me ponder that for a minute...
 
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Roustabout said:
Here's the logic. Putting up big numbers isn't an indicator of success. See Hal Mumme and a myriad of other light it up offenses that lost.
Ball control, scoring efficiency, sustained drives and time of possession are what matters. I'll bet that UT also set a record in total plays this year. Remember the injuries? Remember the tempo game leading to early 3 and outs, putting the defense on it's heals. Is it possible that contributed to injuries?


If you want to set offensive records, fine, but that isn't how UT measures success, historically.
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I think you'd also have to factor in the number of times Dobbs bailed the system out with his feet over the last couple of years. There were many times against the upper tier D's that UT's system flat couldn't account for all defenders... and a few times, App St for example... against not so upper tier D's.
 
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bignewt said:
So are you saying that losing to USE and Vandy is unacceptable?

That is a fresh take...let me ponder that for a minute...
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Yeah... about as fresh as those on the other side of the "expectations line" who have rationalized and excused those losses (and several others) so that they can justify Jones continuing as coach and NOT being on a very hot seat headed into '17.

I mentioned it because it is a recent example of how this divide works. If you want to go back through a fairly long list of failures that have been rationalized away by those who only "wish" UT were elite... we can.
 
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FWIW, I didn't condemn the last hire when it was made and won't condemn this one but will be critical of the appearance that Jones is maintaining a tight grip on the O scheme. But Jones' job security SHOULD be impacted by this decision and the results it yields. Again, that's where those of us who expect UT to become and be an elite program separate from those who hope things work out but will rationalize it if it doesn't.... until a coach is fired... then he becomes the devil.
 
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sjt18 said:
I think you'd also have to factor in the number of times Dobbs bailed the system out with his feet over the last couple of years. There were many times against the upper tier D's that UT's system flat couldn't account for all defenders... and a few times, App St for example... against not so upper tier D's.
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Two sides to it. I don't think Dobbs was particularly good at checking into the right play, or finding the open receiver. His legs mitigated a lot of this, so likely a wash.
 
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Reality is that we'll never become a Elite footVol program until the BoT and Admin gets serious about becoming Elite and puts out the $$$$ to hire the right AD and the right coaches for all our sports programs.

A decent profit is all those bozos care about.

I also put LOTS of the blame on our BIG $$$ donors because they should flatout demand that our BoT and Admin do what must be done to make Tennessee Elite in every sport.

Do what's needed of my donation will be $0.00!!!

VFL...GBO!!!
 
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sjt18 said:
Yeah... about as fresh as those on the other side of the "expectations line" who have rationalized and excused those losses (and several others) so that they can justify Jones continuing as coach and NOT being on a very hot seat headed into '17.

I mentioned it because it is a recent example of how this divide works. If you want to go back through a fairly long list of failures that have been rationalized away by those who only "wish" UT were elite... we can.
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Hold on...still pondering...
 
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sjt18 said:
The nugget of truth in this post is a reflection of the dividing line on this site. These programs EXPECT to be elite. You can throw Michigan, Texas, UF, and FSU in there too. Maybe others.

"Wanting" to be elite leads you to excuse underperforming coaches and find satisfaction in 9 win seasons with 11 win rosters. "Expecting" to be elite makes it completely unacceptable to lose to USCe and Vandy with the East then the Sugar Bowl on the line... NO excuses.
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Geez...
 
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Buster1972 said:
So many fans are deluded into thinking UT is at the same level as Bama historically and should be at their level currently. UT has never been and never will have the glorious stature or tradition that Bama has. Even before Saban looking at both schools tradition historically shows that Bama is just at a much higher level than UT ever has been. Bama is elite. Sure, there may be a year here and there when the Vols rise up, but they never have been able to do it consistently. And of course with the unmatched Saban era running parallel with one of UT's worst stretches in history, the gap between the two programs continues to grow.

UT is what they are. A typical 4 loss a year program. A good program but not elite. UT is more like an Ole Miss, Iowa or Georgia than they ever were an equal for Alabama. It makes being a fan easier if you just accept this.

UT has a top 5 fan base, top 5 facilities, top 5 stadium, and tope 5 game day atmosphere. They just are not a top 5 program on the field. They hardly ever have been.
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The amount of fallacies presented here is almost innumerable.

Nobody cares that Bama is a more elite football institution. Tennessee has enough resources and tradition to set goals and expectations to be the best. It's not the best job in the country, but it is in the upper echelon without question, and its goals and expectations should be that of other elite institutions.

Setting low expectations for such high potential doesn't make you a better or more realistic fan; rather, a fan who makes excuses for mired mediocrity.
 
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