Pre-Game tributes to 9/11?

#26
#26
J-P said:
I suppose you would prefer a drum circle in the forest singing kumbaya hand-in-hand with those responsible for the attacks that day.

You couldn't carry my son's rucksack for a quarter mile, hippie.
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i hate drum circles. if he asked me to carry it i would carry it all he needed. but i am not going to act violently against another...
 
#27
#27
I believe it is you who are misguided.

I will chalk it up to youth, inexperience and brainwashing, and hope that you never have to face life threatening violence directly, because I don't think you'd handle it very well.
 
#28
#28
aaronvol said:
youre right...those who lost loved ones should be remembered for their loss...i simply think our way of doing it is 1) missing the point 2)about making everyone blindly patriotic and 3) rooted in the violence of war
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Expound. . . particularly points 2 and 3. Define how you see "blind patriotism," and what you would view as, perhaps, "informed" or "enlightened" patriotism.

If this is taking things too far off the topic, please PM me. I am genuinely curious, but what you've written here is far too ambiguous and vague.
 
#29
#29
aaronvol said:
im sorry you are shocked. i know we fundamentally disagree on some things. i am not by any means trying to take the value away from a human life lost...on the contrary...i feel those who have died should be honored (but bro we don't honor those on the "other side" who have died innocently as well)...i believe our patriotism is misguided.
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No one on 9/11 died by mistake. The difference in murder is intention.
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#30
#30
aaronvol said:
im sorry you are shocked. i know we fundamentally disagree on some things. i am not by any means trying to take the value away from a human life lost...on the contrary...i feel those who have died should be honored (but bro we don't honor those on the "other side" who have died innocently as well)...i believe our patriotism is misguided.
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peace and love brother
 
#31
#31
aaronvol said:
i hate drum circles. if he asked me to carry it i would carry it all he needed. but i am not going to act violently against another...
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Do you watch football? Football is legalized attempted murder.
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#32
#32
As a service memeber for over 15 years I for one always enjoy a nice tribute but one thing that disturbes me is why don't we do more for the attack on Pearl Harbor? D-Day? Vietnam? etc....if you're going to do something special for one event then you need to do something for all of them. Whether it happened on American soil or not, a lot of people have lost their lives over the years fighting for this country but for some reason it seems remembering civilian victims has become more important.

Remember men and women of the military VOLUNTEER to put their lives in harms way everyday. We get called baby killers or cursed at for what we do, I have nothing but remorse for the victims of 9/11 but they were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
 
#33
#33
i do not believe our freedoms come though war, first and foremost. they are the actions of a free society's decisions to live that way. the only freedom that can be given or taken away is that which our government decides to talk away. if freedom is accomplished through violence there is no freedom i possess, no way of life, no standard of living that i would ask my son or daughter to die or kill for so that i could have.
 
#34
#34
I_Hate_the_BCS said:
As a service memeber for over 15 years I for one always enjoy a nice tribute but one thing that disturbes me is why don't we do more for the attack on Pearl Harbor? D-Day? Vietnam? etc....if you're going to do something special for one event then you need to do something for all of them. Whether it happened on American soil or not, a lot of people have lost their lives over the years fighting for this country but for some reason it seems remembering civilian victims has become more important.

Remember men and women of the military VOLUNTEER to put their lives in harms way everyday. We get called baby killers or cursed at for what we do, I have nothing but remorse for the victims of 9/11 but they were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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Good post...Did you intentionally put the final "but" in your last sentence?
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#35
#35
aaron I agree with you to a point but during the 2 big wars people died to protect our freedom. Had we lost WWII who knows what would have happened to us as a country
 
#38
#38
aaronvol said:
i do not believe our freedoms come though war, first and foremost. they are the actions of a free society's decisions to live that way. the only freedom that can be given or taken away is that which our government decides to talk away. if freedom is accomplished through violence there is no freedom i possess, no way of life, no standard of living that i would ask my son or daughter to die or kill for so that i could have.
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1) "i do not believe our freedoms come though war" - Then you need to study history more often.

2)"they are the actions of a free society's decisions to live that way." Through fighting for it.

3) "the only freedom that can be given or taken away is that which our government decides to talk away." Somewhat true but you need to add "or another goverment or group of people."

I would like to apologize on behalf of my generation. They live in a comfortable and fictitious world and have not paid enough of the price for freedom. Hopefully we don't loose it because of this attitude.
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#41
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aaronvol said:
i do not believe our freedoms come though war, first and foremost. they are the actions of a free society's decisions to live that way. the only freedom that can be given or taken away is that which our government decides to talk away. if freedom is accomplished through violence there is no freedom i possess, no way of life, no standard of living that i would ask my son or daughter to die or kill for so that i could have.
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couldn't have said it better myself. on the other hand, if they do hold a memorial to-do, I hope they play "America, F*c! Yeah" from the Team America soundtrack. I'd shed a tear.
 
#42
#42
So aaron you don't think if we hadn't retaliated against Japan and had brought Hitler to his knees then we would just have continued on as the same country?
 
#44
#44
Nashvol2 said:
1) "i do not believe our freedoms come though war" - Then you need to study history more often.

2)"they are the actions of a free society's decisions to live that way." Through fighting for it.

3) "the only freedom that can be given or taken away is that which our government decides to talk away." Somewhat true but you need to add "or another goverment or group of people."

I would like to apologize on behalf of my generation. They live in a comfortable and fictitious world and have not paid enough of the price for freedom. Hopefully we don't loose it because of this attitude.
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1. history major
2. there has never been a freedom that we have actually fought for (except for rev war...issue of being able to vote and taxes, both of which are not worth human life) and really has to be seen as a civil war within the groupings of two british groups.
3. what group has tried to take actual freedoms?
4. i apologize for my generation...we will still believe that violence solves problems, adn that wars create solutions, even though history has shown that war only perpetuates more war.
 
#45
#45
aaronvol said:
what freedoms did we risk losing in WW1 and WW2?
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if it wasn't for the brave men who fought in WW1 and WW2 and the brave pilots who flew over nagasaki and hiroshema, we would be speaking german and/or japanese
 
#46
#46
I_Hate_the_BCS said:
So aaron you don't think if we hadn't retaliated against Japan and had brought Hitler to his knees then we would just have continued on as the same country?
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ask this instead...why did germany become so violent? look at how we handled them after WWI and then Japan after WWII.
 
#47
#47
aaronvol said:
i do not believe our freedoms come though war, first and foremost. they are the actions of a free society's decisions to live that way. the only freedom that can be given or taken away is that which our government decides to talk away. if freedom is accomplished through violence there is no freedom i possess, no way of life, no standard of living that i would ask my son or daughter to die or kill for so that i could have.
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This tells me all I need to know, but since you continued...

aaronvol said:
1. history major
2. there has never been a freedom that we have actually fought for (except for rev war...issue of being able to vote and taxes, both of which are not worth human life) and really has to be seen as a civil war within the groupings of two british groups.
3. what group has tried to take actual freedoms?
4. i apologize for my generation...we will still believe that violence solves problems, adn that wars create solutions, even though history has shown that war only perpetuates more war.
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I've taken a few history courses at UT - wastelands in which pseudo-intellectual, ivory tower "academics" replace history with opinion and pass it along as facts. I am sorry that you have bought into this. You have a distorted view of reality and human nature if you believe what you are writing here.

aaronvol said:
because you can't name one...youve just been told that our freedoms were in jeopardy...bush said the same thing after 9-11...
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Buddy, this is not about Bush. This goes far deeper than whether you agreed with him or not. I'm sorry that you do not recognize that.
 
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#49
aaronvol said:
ask this instead...why did germany become so violent? look at how we handled them after WWI and then Japan after WWII.
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nobody held a gun to hitler's head and told him to attempt to take over the world. germany brought that upon theirselves son
 
#50
#50
aaronvol said:
great. maybe after that we can invade another country. are we gonna do this every year from here on out...do they do a pearl harbor thing at the sec championship game, or a jfk thing at the vandy game. we only do it so people wont complain that we didnt.
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Dude, let it go. Are you mad that you were never recognized for being VolNation's douche bag of the month, or what? Lately, that's quite the accomplishment. Congratulations.
 
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