Power teams only playing each other.

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mudhen said:
Saban has called for the power 5 schools to only schedule each other. I don't know, the FCS schools depend on us for pretty much their ENTIRE athletic budget, and a tune up game is good for the fanbase and the team.. Maybe it could go something like this; one FCS opponent to start the season, then three straight conference opponents, then another FCS game for Homecoming, then the rest of the season. Everyone gets a warmup and there's always a chance for an upset. What say ye?
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they also depend on the NCAA. Would not have many athletic programs without the NCAA
 
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mudhen said:
If you are going to make things personal, don't respond to any of my posts. I find your comments to be insulting and very unnecessary.
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I apologize for insulting you. Then again? Maybe I was right.
 
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This reminds me of corporate America vs mom and pops. I’m against consolidation of the NCAA. As soon as we shrink the competition, the cheaper the product becomes until it’s made for TV entertainment.

I know being on the wrong side of Saban makes me wrong. He’s a corporate shill, bought and paid for by a media Goliath.
 
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KTrain said:
When the players were quasi amateurs I felt it was a win win. The players get a rest game for nagging injurie etc.., backups get playing time, FCS team gets their big pay check. Now that the players are paid professionals they need to perform weekly and play all P4 & maybe 1 G5 team, so that the season ticket holders get their moneys worth. The pros play all NFL teams no playing a Canadian team or a USFL team no weekends off its a business now. Everybody is shelling out money teams, fans, donors and collectives. Time for the ones running the show to put the best product out there
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Tell that to Indiana who would have never sniffed the CFP without playing a mickey mouse schedule.
Ask their season ticket holders if they would rather have not played FIU, Charlotte or Western Illinois if it meant missing the CFP.
 
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mudhen said:
We're cool. Except that I cannot stand Herbstreet. He's a B10 homer.
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Yeah he is a worthless POS. I kinda figured you might be a recovering alcoholic, and that part hit the nerve. As to Herbstreit? He was the only talking head I could think of.
 
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stolitonic said:
Jackson St got 42 K because of Deion and crew. Not because of anything the school was really doing. How's their attendance since he left?

Sure NDSU and SDSU draw big crowds. Ever been up there? Nothing to do 90% of the time in the late fall/winter once the weather has turned. When I was up there for work,, I would have paid the GDP of a small country for something to do except lay around the hotel or go to the movies or a bar
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2019 (most recent year I could find complete data)
FCS: maximum - Jackson State (34k), minimum - St. Francis of PA (1442) avg. 7k
Div II: maximum - Morehouse (11k), minimum - New Mexico Highlands (507) avg. 3k
Div III: maximum - Hampden-Sydney (7k) minimum -Iowa Wesleyan (244) avg. 1700.
 
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volbound1700 said:
I think it should be more common to have Power Teams play each other but I think you still need the easy warm-up games for cheaper tickets.

With 4 OOC games, I think 2 should be against Power teams.

I feel like there wasn't enough cross-conference play in the current format.

If we go to 3 Non-Conference, I am fine with just keeping 1 game against Power teams and 2 against Non-Power.
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I made a slight math error.
8 conference games- 4 home, 4 away...
9th game vs. P5 (0.5 home - 0.5 away, or even neutral site)
2.5 of the remaining 3 need to be home games to make 7.
All 3 at home makes 7.5 -- in a good year it will be 8 then 7 in a lean year.
There aren't enough Vanderbilts and Mississippi States to give all the haves 5 home games in conference.
 
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My main issue is the stupid 5-6 years to schedule OOC game. It is dumb. Basketball can schedule OOC games in the off-season. I know Basketball is a little easier but there is no reason, in my opinion, for these schools to not get together and get games schedule in 12 months instead of requiring 5 year scheduling garbage.
 
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woodpusher said:
I made a slight math error.
8 conference games- 4 home, 4 away...
9th game vs. P5 (0.5 home - 0.5 away, or even neutral site)
2.5 of the remaining 3 need to be home games to make 7.
All 3 at home makes 7.5 -- in a good year it will be 8 then 7 in a lean year.
There aren't enough Vanderbilts and Mississippi States to give all the haves 5 home games in conference.
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You are correct and teams will need to suck it up. B1G plays 9 games, Big12 plays 9 games, etc.
 
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woodpusher said:
But they too have 7 or 8 home games. They don't have as many out of conference rivalries.
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There are only 4 to 5 SEC teams with OOC rivalries and they can arrange schedules to have the 5 conference games when the rival is away and 4 when they are at home. That is an easy fix.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Maybe the NFL should start scheduling a CFL team in the regular season as a "tune up" but still have it count for the win-loss record?

Maybe the NBA should toss a few college teams or developmental league teams a year in their regular schedule to "tune up" but count the results?

You either want to present a quality product or you don't. If you want "tune up" games, play pre-season or exhibition games before the regular season. They should not be part of your season or the Power schools are just diluting their record.

The time of the cupcake games has passed. Put a quality game on TV every week. They're paying $50M a year to your school to play decent, competitive games, not massacre some nobody.

I'd be fine with it so long as the games don't count and they aren't televised like the Orange and White game.
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At what point though is the competition not 'quality'? If we go back to Butch/Cornbread caliber, what happens to us? Or more relevantly, what happens NOW to Vandy and Miss State? Personally I don't think college aged professional football players can take 12 games of top tier SEC caliber play. At the end of the season, it will be a competition of attrition. One could argue that the NBA does have cupcake games. The Magic come to mind along with a few others. There will always be the Browns, Raiders and the Titans.

I'm not saying you are wrong either. What I think we should be headed for is a dissolution of the conferences as they are and go to leagues like European soccer.... along with relegation at the end of the season. But it can't continue in this current form. Too many people want a tournament at season's end and the money is just too big. IF smaller schools lose football, oh well. THAT is what the bettors wanted.

It's a tragedy what is happening to this game.
 
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adam.vol said:
This reminds me of corporate America vs mom and pops. I’m against consolidation of the NCAA. As soon as we shrink the competition, the cheaper the product becomes until it’s made for TV entertainment.

I know being on the wrong side of Saban makes me wrong. He’s a corporate shill, bought and paid for by a media Goliath.
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It already is made for TV. It's only getting worse.
 
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#91
I have no respect for Saban but he is right on this. I got tired of watching OVC and other lower division teams playing in Neyland for premium ticket prices.
 
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#92
volbound1700 said:
There are only 4 to 5 SEC teams with OOC rivalries and they can arrange schedules to have the 5 conference games when the rival is away and 4 when they are at home. That is an easy fix.
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That gets you only 7 home games. Some of those teams want 8 now and then.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
At what point though is the competition not 'quality'? If we go back to Butch/Cornbread caliber, what happens to us? Or more relevantly, what happens NOW to Vandy and Miss State? Personally I don't think college aged professional football players can take 12 games of top tier SEC caliber play. At the end of the season, it will be a competition of attrition. One could argue that the NBA does have cupcake games. The Magic come to mind along with a few others. There will always be the Browns, Raiders and the Titans.

I'm not saying you are wrong either. What I think we should be headed for is a dissolution of the conferences as they are and go to leagues like European soccer.... along with relegation at the end of the season. But it can't continue in this current form. Too many people want a tournament at season's end and the money is just too big. IF smaller schools lose football, oh well. THAT is what the bettors wanted.

It's a tragedy what is happening to this game.
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Yeah, too bad you all were not saying this when they added that targeting rule. But no, most lapped it up like a dog after vomiting.
 
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#96
SayUWantAreVOLution said:
When football first started at colleges, was it a requirement that it support itself financially?

Most schools STILL don't make money from their athletic department. So, making no money puts them equal to the History or Geology Department, right?

It's straight socialism to expect the money making schools to support the athletic programs of lesser schools.

Schools drop programs all the time that aren't successful, can't be supported financially, lack support from students enrolling....... why should sports look to get a hand out when other programs can't?
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Socialism? How about generosity?
 
#97
#97
mudhen said:
Socialism? How about generosity?
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Both are outdated in today's landscape. Living with what is considered present tense adjustments makes, at least in my view, the historical way schedules are decided upon an endangered species. Oh I am sure many of the powerhouse programs want to cling to it, but ratings are going to make signing to play cupcakes less and less of a priority.

But those lower tier conferences can survive. They just need to earn a spot at a bigger table, and find alternate ways of being funded. Will it be hard? Sure it will. Is it impossible? No.
 
#98
#98
I dislike playing FCS teams.....period. Their budget isn't our problem.
 
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