Power teams only playing each other.

[stolitonic]

The Northern Plains states, plus Montana and Idaho love their football teams and they are all either lower division or G5. It's not all there is to do up there either. Yes, I've been up there and know a few people who live in that part of the country

I agree that those deserted states support the few teams that they do have. For such a low population base-they do a great job.

I will have to take your word for it that there are tons of things to do up there in the middle of winter when it's minus 10 outside. While I am by no means anti-cold and love to ski and snowboard-winter there is just different. I bloody love Wyoming. It's one of my favorite places to visit-in the summer. In the winter-nope, nope. Did I say nope?

I mean the type of cold where it becomes dangerous in just a few minutes..

You wanna go run a marathon in that mess be my guest.

Winters in Texas are just fine by me. Overcast and hovering at about 45-50 degrees every day kinda sucks after a while but is far preferable to freezing by jubblies off ha ha.

If I could engineer some sort of summer in Wyoming and winters in Texas kind of arrangement I would be quite happy.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

I agree that those deserted states support the few teams that they do have. For such a low population base-they do a great job.

I will have to take your word for it that there are tons of things to do up there in the middle of winter when it's minus 10 outside. While I am by no means anti-cold and love to ski and snowboard-winter there is just different. I bloody love Wyoming. It's one of my favorite places to visit-in the summer. In the winter-nope, nope. Did I say nope?

I mean the type of cold where it becomes dangerous in just a few minutes..

You wanna go run a marathon in that mess be my guest.

Winters in Texas are just fine by me. Overcast and hovering at about 45-50 degrees every day kinda sucks after a while but is far preferable to freezing by jubblies off ha ha.

If I could engineer some sort of summer in Wyoming and winters in Texas kind of arrangement I would be quite happy.

Here's the thing, football season starts in late summer and runs till the end of Autumn. While it may snow and get bitter cold late in Autumn, the bitter cold isn't as constant as in Winter. That's pretty much after their seasons and then skiing and other winter sports become the activity of choice

 

[deezvols]

I’m 100% in agreement with Saban. The games are the product. How many other industries intentionally have a business model where 25% of their product is complete garbage? The goal should be to make the product as good as it can be every week. It’s also not the SEC’s responsibility to make sure FCS schools can fund their athletic departments.

This is assuming a “good product” means a good game on the field rather than a win. A lot of fans just want to “win baby” and don’t care about the quality of the opponent.

 

[KTrain]

Saban has called for the power 5 schools to only schedule each other. I don't know, the FCS schools depend on us for pretty much their ENTIRE athletic budget, and a tune up game is good for the fanbase and the team.. Maybe it could go something like this; one FCS opponent to start the season, then three straight conference opponents, then another FCS game for Homecoming, then the rest of the season. Everyone gets a warmup and there's always a chance for an upset. What say ye?

When the players were quasi amateurs I felt it was a win win. The players get a rest game for nagging injurie etc.., backups get playing time, FCS team gets their big pay check. Now that the players are paid professionals they need to perform weekly and play all P4 & maybe 1 G5 team, so that the season ticket holders get their moneys worth. The pros play all NFL teams no playing a Canadian team or a USFL team no weekends off its a business now. Everybody is shelling out money teams, fans, donors and collectives. Time for the ones running the show to put the best product out there

 

[KTrain]

Which OOC schedule would be harder?

Boise State
Appalachian State
UNLV
Memphis

vs

Wake Forest
Northwestern
UCLA
Cal


Some Non-Power teams are tougher than Power Teams.

Its according to what year everyone of those 8 teams have had good teams and have had really bad teams at times.

 

[Smokey X]

from a ticket purchaser point of view, it is hard to see the dollar value being fulfilled when you have at least 3 "cupcakes" and possibly 4 with the current arrangement. I would much rather have home and home arrangements with other so called power schools. Maybe one scrimmage game.

 

[stolitonic]

Here's the thing, football season starts in late summer and runs till the end of Autumn. While it may snow and get bitter cold late in Autumn, the bitter cold isn't as constant as in Winter. That's pretty much after their seasons and then skiing and other winter sports become the activity of choice

Brother, all I'm saying is that I was there in early/mid October and it was like being in the worst weather we ever see in the South for all two weeks.

You can argue with me all you want that there are tons of activities there when merely going outside for more than a few minutes can be dangerous, but I'm not gonna buy it.

Late August games there are quite nice I am sure but the bottom is gonna fall out up there well before it does down here. Simple reality.

Like I said, I kind of like things up that way in the summer but once the cold sets in-it's just not for me.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Brother, all I'm saying is that I was there in early/mid October and it was like being in the worst weather we ever see in the South for all two weeks.

You can argue with me all you want that there are tons of activities there when merely going outside for more than a few minutes can be dangerous, but I'm not gonna buy it.

Late August games there are quite nice I am sure but the bottom is gonna fall out up there well before it does down here. Simple reality.

Like I said, I kind of like things up that way in the summer but once the cold sets in-it's just not for me.

Long time residents there are far more acclimated to it than you. That's not an argument of opinion, that's stating a fact. No offense, but your take is that of an infrequent visitor

 

[mudhen]

I never watch cupcake games. Usually, it is just a beat down. And when one of these cupcakes have the gall to win? It is humiliating. It is a no win scenario. Oh sure, some of your backups get plenty of experience and exposure, but that is about the only real reason to schedule those guys. However, it matters little how I feel about it. The one thing you mentioned that requires explanation is: How the Hell is this "good" for the fan base? Maybe, mudhen, is something you imagined after a few beers too many, or listening to too much of the jargon provided by sports commentators Like Herbstreit. If I am gonna waste time watching a game, it includes the Vols. And if there is a targeting call, I tune out. But as to what Saban said? Even though I hate agreeing with him for obvious reasons, I think he is right. But of course he is gonna say this kinda thing. He is retired. And because of that, I say it is an opinion of convenience for him.

If you are going to make things personal, don't respond to any of my posts. I find your comments to be insulting and very unnecessary.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

It will give more money for NIL because if you don't play FCS schools, you don't have to pay them to come play. The destruction of College Sports is a snowball rolling down hill.

There is no destruction of college sports.
Saying there is equals a canard.

It's just different.

 

[Elhanan]

He’s right.

It’s inevitable so may as well structure something good around it.

 

[Sarms58]

We’re heading in that direction - there will be four major conferences with a total of 60-72 teams and you can only schedule those teams. People will be lining up to schedule Vandy, Northwestern, Stanford and similar programs for their out of conference games.

 

[sami]

We’re heading in that direction - there will be four major conferences with a total of 60-72 teams and you can only schedule those teams. People will be lining up to schedule Vandy, Northwestern, Stanford and similar programs for their out of conference games.

True, and as it stands right now not all P4 conferences are created equal. Look at the typical Big 10 or ACC schedule and there are a lot of conference games that aren't much tougher than some cupcake OOC games.

 

[Brave Volunteer]

Saban has called for the power 5 schools to only schedule each other. I don't know, the FCS schools depend on us for pretty much their ENTIRE athletic budget, and a tune up game is good for the fanbase and the team.. Maybe it could go something like this; one FCS opponent to start the season, then three straight conference opponents, then another FCS game for Homecoming, then the rest of the season. Everyone gets a warmup and there's always a chance for an upset. What say ye?

With the price of tickets/parking/concessions now, I have zero interest in paying that much money to see us whip UTC 65-0. You dont have to schedule FCS opponents for a "tune up" game. There are plenty of Gof5 schools out there for that. I dont think FBS has any business playing FCS schools.

 

[Sarms58]

True, and as it stands right now not all P4 conferences are created equal. Look at the typical Big 10 or ACC schedule and there are a lot of conference games that aren't much tougher than some cupcake OOC games.

Yea, we’re moving to an NFL like league and some divisions will definitely be stronger than others. We’ll have to see if the model going forward stays with the conferences and the NCAA or if the big boys decide to break away to form a new organization. That would be fatal for schools like Vandy - they would still be in the SEC but the other 15 schools would no longer play NCAA football. They would lose all the conference shared revenue from football and their athletic department would struggle to survive.

Such a move would drastically change college football but since it’s more and more just about the mone, I can see us heading that way.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

Yea, we’re moving to an NFL like league and some divisions will definitely be stronger than others. We’ll have to see if the model going forward stays with the conferences and the NCAA or if the big boys decide to break away to form a new organization. That would be fatal for schools like Vandy - they would still be in the SEC but the other 15 schools would no longer play NCAA football. They would lose all the conference shared revenue from football and their athletic department would struggle to survive.

Such a move would drastically change college football but since it’s more and more just about the mone, I can see us heading that way.

There is no way that any team stays in the SEC but doesn't get a share of conference revenue.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

With the price of tickets/parking/concessions now, I have zero interest in paying that much money to see us whip UTC 65-0. You dont have to schedule FCS opponents for a "tune up" game. There are plenty of Gof5 schools out there for that. I dont think FBS has any business playing FCS schools.

I believe that some states require that their FBS public universities play an in state FCS school at least some of the time..

A conference realignment or an extra conference game us unlikely to change that.

 

[cbrown]

This is assuming a “good product” means a good game on the field rather than a win. A lot of fans just want to “win baby” and don’t care about the quality of the opponent.

That's what I mean. I still watch Tennessee's cupcake games, but I don't look forward to them. I'll only watch until it's out of hand then I'll switch to a real game if one's available.

 

[deezvols]

That's what I mean. I still watch Tennessee's cupcake games, but I don't look forward to them. I'll only watch until it's out of hand then I'll switch to a real game if one's available.

I agree. I will look forward to it if it happens to be the first one just because I miss it!

 

[Sarms58]

There is no way that any team stays in the SEC but doesn't get a share of conference revenue.

Football revenue wouldn’t be conference revenue if the big players form a new league…so in the example, Vandy would still get its cut of conference revenue but that would not include football revenue…it’s not a new concept - it’s basically a way for the major players to eliminate the NCAA from football (and eliminate them from any football revenue)

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

Football revenue wouldn’t be conference revenue if the big players form a new league…so in the example, Vandy would still get its cut of conference revenue but that would not include football revenue…it’s not a new concept - it’s basically a way for the major players to eliminate the NCAA from football (and eliminate them from any football revenue)

That makes zero sense. Either Vandy would be in the conference or they wouldn't.

 

[Sarms58]

That makes zero sense. Either Vandy would be in the conference or they wouldn't.

Yea, Vandy would be in the SEC but they would be the only SEC team to field a football team. The other 15 schools will discontinue fielding an NCAA football team because they formed a new, non NCAA organization with huge TV deals. They essentially opt out of playing SEC football. In this new thenm there are none of the traditional conferences. Instead, each team is just part of the new organization. You cherry pick the top programs nationally to form a new organization. Twenty to thirty percent of the current Div 1 teams form this new league and take 90%-95% of the revenue…

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Football revenue wouldn’t be conference revenue if the big players form a new league…so in the example, Vandy would still get its cut of conference revenue but that would not include football revenue…it’s not a new concept - it’s basically a way for the major players to eliminate the NCAA from football (and eliminate them from any football revenue)

It's difficult to predict what will happen when the major revenue schools finally form a league outside of the NCAA. SCOTUS has said that the NCAA model isn't acceptable so it won't be NCAA 2.0 and it will probably be a similar, if not affiliated, organization to the NFL and NBA and MLB.

No longer being in the NCAA, the NCAA Conferences will not necessarily continue to exist and some "East and West" division of teams is much more likely and/or "American and National" leagues.

The media contracts probably have some kind of legal language that deals with the NCAA, SEC, B1G, etc crashing, cracking, or exploding.

A school like Vandy may say, "We understand tradition, but we're a university not a pro sports business. We're going to spin this off from the school or sell the Athletic Dept outright to some wealthy alumni who want to run it." Several schools, actually, may end up with their LLC Athletic Depts being bought outright by wealthy people who want to own a pro sports team or two. Universities really aren't a good fit as pro sports owners.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

It's difficult to predict what will happen when the major revenue schools finally form a league outside of the NCAA. SCOTUS has said that the NCAA model isn't acceptable so it won't be NCAA 2.0 and it will probably be a similar, if not affiliated, organization to the NFL and NBA and MLB.

No longer being in the NCAA, the NCAA Conferences will not necessarily continue to exist and some "East and West" division of teams is much more likely and/or "American and National" leagues.

The media contracts probably have some kind of legal language that deals with the NCAA, SEC, B1G, etc crashing, cracking, or exploding.

A school like Vandy may say, "We understand tradition, but we're a university not a pro sports business. We're going to spin this off from the school or sell the Athletic Dept outright to some wealthy alumni who want to run it." Several schools, actually, may end up with their LLC Athletic Depts being bought outright by wealthy people who want to own a pro sports team or two. Universities really aren't a good fit as pro sports owners.

Vandy makes too much money from sports to do that. They aren't going to kill their gravy train.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

Yea, Vandy would be in the SEC but they would be the only SEC team to field a football team. The other 15 schools will discontinue fielding an NCAA football team because they formed a new, non NCAA organization with huge TV deals. They essentially opt out of playing SEC football. In this new thenm there are none of the traditional conferences. Instead, each team is just part of the new organization. You cherry pick the top programs nationally to form a new organization. Twenty to thirty percent of the current Div 1 teams form this new league and take 90%-95% of the revenue…

Not going to happen.