Potential Terror Attack in New York

[SpaceCoastVol]

With his name and picture out now I'd be worried he may want to go out in a blaze of glory.

He is in Canada boarding his Emirates flight to Dubai as we speak.

 

[VolnJC]

He is in Canada boarding his Emirates flight to Dubai as we speak.

sounds like they got him...shots fired in neighboring NJ city and early reports are he is in custody

 

[vol_in_ar]

with shots fired, surprised he's still alive

 

[allvol123]

He looks like a Methodist.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

sounds like they got him...shots fired in neighboring NJ city and early reports are he is in custody

Lol....Trying to blend in by driving that beat up green VW beetle.

 

[lawgator1]

You want the religion of peace to continue killing innocents, right?

Do you understand that the point of the radicals is to get people to put it into terms of one religion versus another? As opposed to one political arm of a religion versus all other religions, and even its own?

maybe we should stop bringing in potential terrorists by the thousands.

This guy apparently became a naturalized citizen and was later radicalized. I've been busy, but so far I've not seen anything that says he came in a terrorist plant.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

He looks like a Methodist.

Lmao.

 

[volinbham]

This guy apparently became a naturalized citizen and was later radicalized. I've been busy, but so far I've not seen anything that says he came in a terrorist plant.

True but it's also possible that he was radicalized by people that are relatively new to our country.

Who knows at this point but it sounds like even Hillary is saying we need to step up the vetting process (though I think she's just saying that to win votes)

 

[hndog609]

("No firearm" signs in florida have no force of law unless they are posted on property that is specifically mentioned in state law as being off limits (malls are not) if you are in a place not mentioned in the law and are asked to leave, you must leave. if you refuse you are breaking the law and can be charged. be aware of the possibility of police officers who may have been called without your knowledge and may not know the law on trespass etc. you could be arrested you even if you are within the law) . from the ccw quick link website for the state of florida. and this is all nonsense because a conceal carrier should have the weapon "concealed" leaving out the chance to be asked to leave a place like a mall/movie theater

Laws vary from state to state. Some states are serious about the concealment part...you can literally get in trouble for "printing".

At any rate if you're going to be flying under the colors of "law abiding" then any area you know to be legally posted "guns free" is somewhere you aren't supposed to be carrying.

 

[sofflavol]

Laws vary from state to state. Some states are serious about the concealment part...you can literally get in trouble for "printing".

At any rate if you're going to be flying under the colors of "law abiding" then any area you know to be legally posted "guns free" is somewhere you aren't supposed to be carrying.

fair enough, although i would say we could have a long discussion on weather a "gun free" zone is a violation of my 2nd amendment rights. businesses don't have the right to create there own laws, if they don't want my business thats one thing, ask me to leave il leave. but lets be clear there is no law broken by me carrying a legal licensed firearm into there Establishment in my state. but hey like you said the states have the right to change that if they feel needed.

 

[Septic]

Laws vary from state to state. Some states are serious about the concealment part...you can literally get in trouble for "printing".

At any rate if you're going to be flying under the colors of "law abiding" then any area you know to be legally posted "guns free" is somewhere you aren't supposed to be carrying.

Every private business with an attorney or risk manager worth his or her salt is a "gun free zone" by "policy." It mitigates the businesses liability somewhat in the presence of law suit. That said, law abiding is just that, law abiding - not policy abiding, big difference.

"Gun free" policy zones are merely recommendations and have no legal teeth in the absence of statute.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Funny, I wasn't trying at all.

Your comment makes no sense. You're trying to shoehorn a lack of easy access to guns argument into a State where assault weapons and open carry is permitted by law.

What's an assault weapon?

 

[Septic]

What's an assault weapon?

What ever it is you want it to be, to me it's a subjective term. You'd have to look at state statute for their definition though. I'll leave that to you.

There are a few posters here that have weaponized stupidity, does that count?

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Do you understand that the point of the radicals is to get people to put it into terms of one religion versus another? As opposed to one political arm of a religion versus all other religions, and even its own?





This guy apparently became a naturalized citizen and was later radicalized. I've been busy, but so far I've not seen anything that says he came in a terrorist plant.

Still waiting for high ranking Imams to start turning these clowns in. Not holding my breath however.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

What ever it is you want it to be, to me it's a subjective term. You'd have to look at state statute for their definition though. I'll leave that to you.

There are a few posters here that have weaponized stupidity, does that count?

The malady of cerebral liberalism certainly counts.

 

[lawgator1]

True but it's also possible that he was radicalized by people that are relatively new to our country.

Who knows at this point but it sounds like even Hillary is saying we need to step up the vetting process (though I think she's just saying that to win votes)

I don't have a problem with making it tougher, based on where they are coming from.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

They just now loaded this scumbag in the ambulance.

Police say he was shot in the arm.

Police can't shoot good enough....apparently.

 

[hndog609]

Every private business with an attorney or risk manager worth his or her salt is a "gun free zone" by "policy." It mitigates the businesses liability somewhat in the presence of law suit. That said, law abiding is just that, law abiding - not policy abiding, big difference.

"Gun free" policy zones are merely recommendations and have no legal teeth in the absence of statute.

By "statute" do you mean like MN 624.714 subd 17?

It is illegal to carry in a lawfully posted establishment. You don't get to qualify that by how harshly being caught doing so may or may not be.

Bottom line; a posted "gun free zone" is an area where anyone aware of that being the case is given a choice of obeying the law or not...if we're going to be arguing that lawful carriers are the "good guys" and following the law then they must disarm before entering or you're going to have to start arguing "They don't really have to disarm because that law can just as easily be ignored.". Is that your assertion?

 

[Septic]

By "statute" do you mean like MN 624.714 subd 17?

It is illegal to carry in a lawfully posted establishment. You don't get to qualify that by how harshly being caught doing so may or may not be.

Bottom line; a posted "gun free zone" is an area where anyone aware of that being the case is given a choice of obeying the law or not...if we're going to be arguing that lawful carriers are the "good guys" and following the law then they must disarm before entering or you're going to have to start arguing "They don't really have to disarm because that law can just as easily be ignored.". Is that your assertion?

Why not? I can question anything. If the punishment is being asked to leave, I still see it as a recommendation.

Does "lawfully posted" mean in accordance with places that actually mean illegal to carry such as schools or court houses? Or does it mean anywhere where a sign is posted?

Big boys aren't going to worry about gun free zone policy's when it comes to personal safety. I applaud your fervor and research on this but it still doesn't convince me that that the malls policy is the reason the victims weren't able to defend themselves.

 

[volfanhill]

They just now loaded this scumbag in the ambulance.

Police say he was shot in the arm.

Police can't shoot good enough....apparently.

We need him alive. Have to interrogate and find out if he is in a cell. Some advanced interrogation techniques are heading his way.

 

[AirVol]

This guy apparently became a naturalized citizen and was later radicalized. I've been busy, but so far I've not seen anything that says he came in a terrorist plant.

Water board his ass and he will talk.

 

[sofflavol]

By "statute" do you mean like MN 624.714 subd 17?

It is illegal to carry in a lawfully posted establishment. You don't get to qualify that by how harshly being caught doing so may or may not be.

Bottom line; a posted "gun free zone" is an area where anyone aware of that being the case is given a choice of obeying the law or not...if we're going to be arguing that lawful carriers are the "good guys" and following the law then they must disarm before entering or you're going to have to start arguing "They don't really have to disarm because that law can just as easily be ignored.". Is that your assertion?

hes saying in Florida where he lives a "gun free zone" is like a "no shirt no shoes" sign. you can ask me to leave and if i dont i would be considered trespassing. but me walking into your establishment with a gun / no shirt on doesn't warrant the store owner or the cops to automatically put me in handcuffs for violating a law that doesn't exist.

 

[theFallGuy]

$20 says Obama gets on TV and talks about the Crusades

 

[Septic]

hes saying in Florida where he lives a "gun free zone" is like a "no shirt no shoes" sign. you can ask me to leave and if i dont i would be considered trespassing. but me walking into your establishment with a gun / no shirt on doesn't warrant the store owner or the cops to automatically put me in handcuffs for violating a law that doesn't exist.

Even in Minnesota, I actually went back and read the statute he posted. It's no different than what we've been stating.

§Subd. 17.Posting; trespass. (a) A person carrying a firearm on or about his or her person or clothes under a permit or otherwise who remains at a private establishment knowing that the operator of the establishment or its agent has made a reasonable request that firearms not be brought into the establishment may be ordered to leave the premises. A person who fails to leave when so requested is guilty of a petty misdemeanor. The fine for a first offense must not exceed $25. Notwithstanding section 609.531, a firearm carried in violation of this subdivision is not subject to forfeiture.

"When so requested" is the money shot here. Then it's just tresspass, which is completely reasonable.

 

[n_huffhines]

sounds like they got him...shots fired in neighboring NJ city and early reports are he is in custody

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