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bleedingTNorange said:
You have to have some flexibility, like it or not in today's game with the way players are pampered you're not going to entice too many highly ranked high school recruits to come in under those conditions.

When you've got comparable schools rolling out the red carpet and sweet talking you, and some guy at Tennessee saying you can join us or not, IDC, you end up with guys like he's gotten for years.

I thought he would change his philosophy a bit, but it makes sense as to why his rosters are loaded with JUCOs, CCs and prep kids. Those guys typically have it rough and are simply grateful for the opportunity, they'll bust their ass and not question a thing.

I'm not sold you can win that way consistently at a high major school, but time will tell
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There is no proof that he is that way in recruiting.....he came in and flipped his roster. Several coaches take that approach....he retains the ones that buy in and become his guys and let's go the ones hanging on to the previous regime. In fan terms I would stay while you would be let go. LOL I think he has a little Saban in him and there will be as many scholarships available as CDT needs for his next class.
 
#177
#177
bleedingTNorange said:
You have to have some flexibility, like it or not in today's game with the way players are pampered you're not going to entice too many highly ranked high school recruits to come in under those conditions.

When you've got comparable schools rolling out the red carpet and sweet talking you, and some guy at Tennessee saying you can join us or not, IDC, you end up with guys like he's gotten for years.

I thought he would change his philosophy a bit, but it makes sense as to why his rosters are loaded with JUCOs, CCs and prep kids. Those guys typically have it rough and are simply grateful for the opportunity, they'll bust their ass and not question a thing.

I'm not sold you can win that way consistently at a high major school, but time will tell
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When it comes to winning titles, Coach K is currently the most successful active coach with 4. Granted, it's Duke and he's established himself, but his players aren't going to dictate terms to him. Things are done his way. John Wooden had 10 titles. I'm fairly certain his players knew he was in charge. The same can be said for Adolph Rupp with his 4 titles and Bob Knight with his 3 titles. I agree, many of these HS kids do get pampered, but the most successful coaches appear to be those clearly in control of their teams. Maybe a change is coming, but it's not here yet.

As far as what CDT is telling recruits, I find it hard to believe he's telling them "you can join us or not, IDC." I think it much more likely he's telling these kids they'll be expected to play his way and give max effort. I don't think that's too much to ask. If he can sell his style of play, then he should be able to get some quality recruits.

But again, time will be the telling factor. Right now we just roll with the punches.
 
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Weezer said:
When it comes to winning titles, Coach K is currently the most successful active coach with 4. Granted, it's Duke and he's established himself, but his players aren't going to dictate terms to him. Things are done his way.
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Not true at all, K declared he wouldn't recruit one and done players, what the heck was Jabari Parker? He has molded to the new age as well, there are many examples of changes he has made to "keep up with the times".

As far as what CDT is telling recruits, I find it hard to believe he's telling them "you can join us or not, IDC." I think it much more likely he's telling these kids they'll be expected to play his way and give max effort. I don't think that's too much to ask. If he can sell his style of play, then he should be able to get some quality recruits.

But again, time will be the telling factor. Right now we just roll with the punches.
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Agree, time will tell. I have my doing he will bring in top 20 classes with this mindset, fhat doesn't mean he won't be successful, I'm just not sold his style will appeal to HS kids being pampered at every stop.
 
#180
#180
bleedingTNorange said:
A persons opinion who I trust and who many on here know, says that Tyndall has walked into the situation with the signees and current roster with a "its gonna be my way or the highway approach".

I understand the concept, but I also understand this isn't Morehead state or Southern Miss, a lot of those guys didn't have other options, or better options. These guys all do.

You're talking about losing 6-7 top 200 players, SEC caliber players who had very good offer listers, and replacing them with guys who you had to beat out FGCU for, or fight off Missouri for. I think they're decent guys that he's bringing in, but wasn't the knock previously that you had to have highly ranked guys to win?

It's a risk, IMO if they fall on their face and win 12-15 games next year and finish 12-14 place in the SEC next year this method was a failure. Even if you go in showing a little more willingness even if it's window dressing, you can retain most of the guys. If you wanna weed them out after the year ok, but at least by then you'll have had a chance to fill their spots with talented 2015 recruits.

If he goes and takes 3 JUCOs, and 3 freshman to fill out the roster, that only leaves you with 2-3 scholarships for 2015.
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I get what you're saying, you sometimes come across anti-Tyndal in your remarks. Its not that your against him so much as the way he handled the players. Basically he could of or should of handled them with some understanding instead of the "my way or the highway" approach. If so we wouldnt be having this mass exodus. Makes sense. Maybe he just figures I have 3 years & Im not going to waste 1 trying to get guys to play my way that dont want to, regardless of how talented.
I would bet he knows he has guys that are quality players, that fit his system already in his back pocket ready to be Vols & thats why he took this approach. His radio interviews bare this out. He is very confident in his ability but your right this could blow up if hes wrong. Time will tell & Im an optimist so I going to bet it works out in the long run. This sounds more like a 3 yr morehead turn around instead of a 1 year smu!
 
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Magic8Vol said:
I get what you're saying, you sometimes come across anti-Tyndal in your remarks. Its not that your against him so much as the way he handled the players. Basically he could of or should of handled them with some understanding instead of the "my way or the highway" approach. If so we wouldnt be having this mass exodus. Makes sense. Maybe he just figures I have 3 years & Im not going to waste 1 trying to get guys to play my way that dont want to, regardless of how talented.
I would bet he knows he has guys that are quality players, that fit his system already in his back pocket ready to be Vols & thats why he took this approach. His radio interviews bare this out. He is very confident in his ability but your right this could blow up if hes wrong. Time will tell & Im an optimist so I going to bet it works out in the long run. This sounds more like a 3 yr morehead turn around instead of a 1 year smu!
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I've said if he wins this way I'll tip my cap and admit I was wrong. We were ready to lack Martin's bags for making the sweet 16 1/3 years, if Tyndall gets knocked out round 1 of the NCAAT in year 3 to go along with 2 Nit appearances, does he need to go?
 
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#183
bleedingTNorange said:
I've said if he wins this way I'll tip my cap and admit I was wrong. We were ready to lack Martin's bags for making the sweet 16 1/3 years, if Tyndall gets knocked out round 1 of the NCAAT in year 3 to go along with 2 Nit appearances, does he need to go?
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Would have loved to see this past year's team under Tyndal. We barely made the tournament with the best team Martin was ever going to have and he knew how bare next year team was going to be. Martin seems like a top notch person but a very average coach. Not sure what it is you dislike about Tyndal so much. A lot on this board follow college BB a lot closer than I do (too wrapped up in my kid's ball) but from everything Iv'e read he seems like he's going to be a very good coach and just like Cuonzo I will give him my support until he proves he doesn't deserve it.
 
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#184
volsbrock said:
Would have loved to see this past year's team under Tyndal. We barely made the tournament with the best team Martin was ever going to have and he knew how bare next year team was going to be. Martin seems like a top notch person but a very average coach. Not sure what it is you dislike about Tyndal so much. A lot on this board follow college BB a lot closer than I do (too wrapped up in my kid's ball) but from everything Iv'e read he seems like he's going to be a very good coach and just like Cuonzo I will give him my support until he proves he doesn't deserve it.
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He's goy my support to, I'll go to games and cheer them on. Sure I would've liked to seen what he could do with last years team, but Martin assembled that team and people seem to want to dismiss that. It's up to Tyndall to assemble a team just as talented, if he doesn't that's his fault.
 
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#185
And no I'm not one that signed the petition. Thought that was an awful thing for any fan to do even though I thought we would be better off making a change.
 
#187
#187
bleedingTNorange said:
Well my secret source knew that the 4 signees were asking out of the LOIs before anyone else on this board so maybe it's not a bad source. And if I have to explain to you what coach speak is then it's really not even worth it.

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Unless your secret source knew before Cornish's coach I doubt that's true. I was specifically asked not to release any information until they talked as a staff with JC and his family and knew 100% that's what they wanted to do.
 
#188
#188
bleedingTNorange said:
You have to have some flexibility, like it or not in today's game with the way players are pampered you're not going to entice too many highly ranked high school recruits to come in under those conditions.

When you've got comparable schools rolling out the red carpet and sweet talking you, and some guy at Tennessee saying you can join us or not, IDC, you end up with guys like he's gotten for years.

I thought he would change his philosophy a bit, but it makes sense as to why his rosters are loaded with JUCOs, CCs and prep kids. Those guys typically have it rough and are simply grateful for the opportunity, they'll bust their ass and not question a thing.

I'm not sold you can win that way consistently at a high major school, but time will tell
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I guess the two schools he was previously recruiting to had no bearing on what caliber of player he could attract either. If you don't understand the difference between a top 3 SEC school and a middle of the pack OVC or CUSA school then I guess there's no point in going any further with you. Sound eerily similar?
 
#189
#189
bowlinggreenvol said:
I guess the two schools he was previously recruiting to had no bearing on what caliber of player he could attract either. If you don't understand the difference between a top 3 SEC school and a middle of the pack OVC or CUSA school then I guess there's no point in going any further with you. Sound eerily similar?
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I'm not saying oh he landed 2* HS guys, he sucks. I'm saying he recruited also exclusively JUCOs, prep, CC, and transfers....ask yourself why?
 
#190
#190
At this point in time the ideal would be two point guards named Mitchell and Suarez. Post players named Ellis, Cofer, and Owens. We probably want get these five players particularly Mitchell but adding those five to the roster gives us the opportunity to be a decent team.
 
#191
#191
bleedingTNorange said:
I'm not saying oh he landed 2* HS guys, he sucks. I'm saying he recruited also exclusively JUCOs, prep, CC, and transfers....ask yourself why?
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Because they're physically more mature, more adapted to the game speed, don't tie up scholarships if you miss on some compared to the lower level HS kids he could only attract anyway. He never had a shot at even top 200 kids so why take a top 500 kid for 4 yrs when I know can get a top 20 JUCO kid now?
 
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#192
bowlinggreenvol said:
Because they're physically more mature, more adapted to the game speed, don't tie up scholarships if you miss on some compared to the lower level HS kids he could only attract anyway. He never had a shot at even top 200 kids so why take a top 500 kid for 4 yrs when I know can get a top 20 JUCO kid now?
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Willie Carmichael was top 200 iirc
 
#193
#193
Tyndall says he will sign 2 PGs if Thompson doesn't return. He hasn't given Thompson or Davis deadlines to return, but if he has a guy ready to sign he may call them and tell them he needs an answer.
 
#194
#194
bleedingTNorange said:
Tyndall says he will sign 2 PGs if Thompson doesn't return. He hasn't given Thompson or Davis deadlines to return, but if he has a guy ready to sign he may call them and tell them he needs an answer.
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In other words, he's signing two point guards.

That last part is total BS. Thompson and Davis are gone IMO.
 
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#195
bleedingTNorange said:
I've said if he wins this way I'll tip my cap and admit I was wrong. We were ready to lack Martin's bags for making the sweet 16 1/3 years, if Tyndall gets knocked out round 1 of the NCAAT in year 3 to go along with 2 Nit appearances, does he need to go?
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Well Im not the one to make that call but based on just that limited info I would say no but then I didnt think Martin should either but he made that choice. Im not much for calling for someones job because regardless of what I think I know about someones performance, unless you are behind the scenes we never really know how good or bad of a job someone has done.
 
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