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#153
#153
volbeast33 said:
i didnt want Zo fired after his second season but I will have an actual opinion of whether or not I feel CDT is the man for the job....Right now i think he is but he has to prove it.
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Right, so if by year 2 no NCAAT or top 20 classes and you'll be saying he isn't the guy.

Got it
 
#155
#155
volbeast33 said:
once again...putting words in my mouth.....maybe thats why u thought i was so down on Zo lol
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You routinely said gotta have top 20 classes and make the NCAAT every year.

If you're not gonna stand behind those standards why have them, you got 2 mouths? Damn.
 
#156
#156
bleedingTNorange said:
You routinely said gotta have top 20 classes and make the NCAAT every year.

If you're not gonna stand behind those standards why have them, you got 2 mouths? Damn.
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i think its bc u leave off the words build up too and trend strongly towards....after four yrs it was obvious it probably wasnt going to happen.
 
#157
#157
volbeast33 said:
i think its bc u leave off the words build up too and trend strongly towards....after four yrs it was obvious it probably wasnt going to happen.
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So you never made a post that Martin has to recruit top 20 classes to be successful without using the words "build up to" of trending strongly towards" because I'll pull your posts right now showing you've said that.
 
#159
#159
bleedingTNorange said:
So you never made a post that Martin has to recruit top 20 classes to be successful without using the words "build up to" of trending strongly towards" because I'll pull your posts right now showing you've said that.
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ok pull them tomm.....i want to see what i said....im sure i was upset with his second class though.
 
#160
#160
bleedingTNorange said:
So you never made a post that Martin has to recruit top 20 classes to be successful without using the words "build up to" of trending strongly towards" because I'll pull your posts right now showing you've said that.
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This dude has way too much f-ing time on his hands. Not only can he post 100+ times a day he can search others posts. What exactly is it that you do or not do on a daily basis? Do HS's allow cellphones in class now?
 
#161
#161
bleedingTNorange said:
Well he needs top 20 classes to win though right?

Already changing the standard lol
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To win the NCAA title, yes he does.

To win at the level Zo won at, probably top 40-50 will do.

If we sign 6-8 players this spring, we might end up with close to a top 20 class this year just on numbers alone.
 
#162
#162
bleedingTNorange said:
So you never made a post that Martin has to recruit top 20 classes to be successful without using the words "build up to" of trending strongly towards" because I'll pull your posts right now showing you've said that.
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Why do we have to keep wading through this ****.
Who gives a flying ****ing **** who posted what, when where how.
JFC I wish we could get some bans on this crap.
 
#166
#166
VolArmy74 said:
To win the NCAA title, yes he does.

To win at the level Zo won at, probably top 40-50 will do.

If we sign 6-8 players this spring, we might end up with close to a top 20 class this year just on numbers alone.
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Highly unlikely seeing as how grad transfers and JUCOs aren't counted toward rankings by some services. Unless you know of a couple current top 100 guys that he's got lined up it won't even be close.
 
#168
#168
bleedingTNorange said:
If true he's dumber than I thought and has no excuse if this team sucks next year
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Not really. He can't force young men to want to be here, so if they choose to leave, why should he waste time regretting their decision. He's a new coach worried about putting together a team for the coming season. He doesn't have time to care that they want to leave.

Now as a fan, I care, but he simply doesn't have the luxury of wasting that time. It just means he needs to look for two more bodies.
 
#169
#169
bleedingTNorange said:
+1
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The Martin hate needs to stop because it is in no way, shape, or form productive, but be honest, you're egging it on. You were very vocal in your support of Martin and you were often ripped for it. Now you see a chance to throw some barbs back at those who attacked you and you're taking the shots. Take the high road and just let it go.
 
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#170
#170
Weezer said:
Not really. He can't force young men to want to be here, so if they choose to leave, why should he waste time regretting their decision. He's a new coach worried about putting together a team for the coming season. He doesn't have time to care that they want to leave.

Now as a fan, I care, but he simply doesn't have the luxury of wasting that time. It just means he needs to look for two more bodies.
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A persons opinion who I trust and who many on here know, says that Tyndall has walked into the situation with the signees and current roster with a "its gonna be my way or the highway approach".

I understand the concept, but I also understand this isn't Morehead state or Southern Miss, a lot of those guys didn't have other options, or better options. These guys all do.

You're talking about losing 6-7 top 200 players, SEC caliber players who had very good offer listers, and replacing them with guys who you had to beat out FGCU for, or fight off Missouri for. I think they're decent guys that he's bringing in, but wasn't the knock previously that you had to have highly ranked guys to win?

It's a risk, IMO if they fall on their face and win 12-15 games next year and finish 12-14 place in the SEC next year this method was a failure. Even if you go in showing a little more willingness even if it's window dressing, you can retain most of the guys. If you wanna weed them out after the year ok, but at least by then you'll have had a chance to fill their spots with talented 2015 recruits.

If he goes and takes 3 JUCOs, and 3 freshman to fill out the roster, that only leaves you with 2-3 scholarships for 2015.
 
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#174
bleedingTNorange said:
A persons opinion who I trust and who many on here know, says that Tyndall has walked into the situation with the signees and current roster with a "its gonna be my way or the highway approach".

I understand the concept, but I also understand this isn't Morehead state or Southern Miss, a lot of those guys didn't have other options, or better options. These guys all do.

You're talking about losing 6-7 top 200 players, SEC caliber players who had very good offer listers, and replacing them with guys who you had to beat out FGCU for, or fight off Missouri for. I think they're decent guys that he's bringing in, but wasn't the knock previously that you had to have highly ranked guys to win?

It's a risk, IMO if they fall on their face and win 12-15 games next year and finish 12-14 place in the SEC next year this method was a failure. Even if you go in showing a little more willingness even if it's window dressing, you can retain most of the guys. If you wanna weed them out after the year ok, but at least by then you'll have had a chance to fill their spots with talented 2015 recruits.

If he goes and takes 3 JUCOs, and 3 freshman to fill out the roster, that only leaves you with 2-3 scholarships for 2015.
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If they're not willing to give his way a shot, then they don't need to be here. I understand you're saying he was a bit abrasive with his talk. but the fact is, he's the coach and it should be his way or the highway. He was hired to coach this team and the players need to understand their choices. Choice one is buy in and give your all. Choice two is transfer so no one's time is wasted. If DT and AJ didn't feel they could commit to playing his style of ball next year, then they made the right choice. Better to know that now than learn it later when refusing to play his style of ball would just cause even more problems on the team.

CDT may or may not be the answer. Time will tell. But he deserves a shot and I applaud his honesty and his leadership. He's laid down the law. It's what I would expect of a strong coach. He's made it clear to the team that he is the leader and that he won't be run over. Personally, I see that as a good thing. Even if it means rebuilding from scratch, which would suck, I see it as a good thing for a coach to stand up and let his players know he is in charge and if you don't follow the rules, there will be consequences. Coaches that let their players run over them rarely find lasting success.
 
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#175
#175
You have to have some flexibility, like it or not in today's game with the way players are pampered you're not going to entice too many highly ranked high school recruits to come in under those conditions.

When you've got comparable schools rolling out the red carpet and sweet talking you, and some guy at Tennessee saying you can join us or not, IDC, you end up with guys like he's gotten for years.

I thought he would change his philosophy a bit, but it makes sense as to why his rosters are loaded with JUCOs, CCs and prep kids. Those guys typically have it rough and are simply grateful for the opportunity, they'll bust their ass and not question a thing.

I'm not sold you can win that way consistently at a high major school, but time will tell
 
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