Post your SPECIFIC alternatives to current ISIS approach here

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AirVol said:
Any country that is buying cheap oil from ISIS should be dealt with whatever means. This will slow down their wealth tremendously.

Bomb the hell out of their oil fields and any trucks carrying this illegal oil. ( the US finally did this on Monday)
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That's a recipe for a world war.
 
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AirVol said:
Any country that is buying cheap oil from ISIS should be dealt with whatever means. This will slow down their wealth tremendously.

Bomb the hell out of their oil fields and any trucks carrying this illegal oil. ( the US finally did this on Monday)
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For all we know some could have been shipped here.
 
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hog88 said:
For all we know some could have been shipped here.
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Very possible. And if it can be proven then those companies should be shut down and if they are over seas companies then we treat them how we treat others who financially support terrorism. In fact what we have done from a banking standpoint is probably the most effective thing we have done to combat terrorism. We should obviously do this to overseas companies as well and the countries that buy their oil.
 
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volfanhill said:
Very possible. And if it can be proven then those companies should be shut down and if they are over seas companies then we treat them how we treat others who financially support terrorism. In fact what we have done from a banking standpoint is probably the most effective thing we have done to combat terrorism. We should obviously do this to overseas companies as well and the countries that buy their oil.
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Impossible. There are about 3600 crude tankers plying the oceans right now many full of oil waiting to be told where to go offload. Exact origin is dam near impossible to determine.
 
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lawgator1 said:
You admit that your criticisms are based on you not knowing, remotely, all the facts?

At least you admit it.
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lawgator1 said:
Not me.

But we are attacking them via drone strikes and bombings every single day. Now, I wish we were more effective. I wish we could readily identify them and attack with 100 % success all the time.

But that is not reality. And the notion that we are sitting on our hands and not trying is just ridiculous.
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lawgator1 said:
Workable is relative. We've got two pages here and I've got one guy saying abandon all ME military involvement, one guy wanting us to put ICBMS there, and another guy wanting to nuke the ME, indiscriminately.

What we are doing right now has not completely shut down ISIS, that's true. But the alternatives suggested here I'm struggling to see how they would accomplish more.
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lawgator1 said:
Enough so that we can judge even in basic terms whether it might be effective, or at least more effective than the status quo.

I think that everyone is frustrated with the situation and apparent lack of progress, both Dems and Repubs. The difference is, the latter seem to be blaming Obama for it, but as we see in this thread they must admit they really don't know what they are talking about.
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The irony runs deep here. All you are going on is what Obama is telling you and you accuse people of not remotely knowing the facts.

You say it is not reality for us to be more effective yet you don't know any more facts than anyone else.

The big question to me is why to you believe everything Obama is telling you when you admit things are not going as well as you'd like?

There are plenty of specific alternatives that have been presented by highly qualified people. There is plenty of legitimate criticism and demonstration of mistakes that Obama has made in dealing with both Syria and ISIS - take a look at the critique from Gates (Obama's own Sec of Defense).

All you have to go on is what a politician is telling you and your desire to attack other politicians yet you complain about people not having facts or concrete plans.

I bet you don't even know what our strategy is. Let's start there.

Answer your own questions by filling in the current strategy.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Troops on the ground?

How many? Where, exactly? Mission, specifically?

More drone strikes?

How many? Of whom? Names, please.

Build a coalition?

Of whom, that isn't already in it? And what is the purpose?

Harsher rhetoric?

What good does that do? ISIS will suddenly see the error of their ways?



Be specific. That is the key.
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Please provide the specifics and metrics of our current strategy. Most importantly, tell me how you know it is the best plan of all plans.

I'll hang up and listen.
 
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hog88 said:
Impossible. There are about 3600 crude tankers plying the oceans right now many full of oil waiting to be told where to go offload. Exact origin is dam near impossible to determine.
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Did not know this. Thanks hog! I would think there would be some sort of tracking on the barrels but I guess if you are smuggling the oil that goes out the window.
 
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OrngeChkrboardVFL said:
First, let me start by apologizing for the multiple quotes. Second, I'm currently deployed and sitting in military facility at a location in southwest Asia. Primary mission to provide and maintain the communication in and around the AOR to include the video/intel feeds from pilots in the sky to the Commanders that make target decisions.



We are working everyday and every hour on that plan and it is working just slower than most would like.

Please do not take this the wrong way but you are NOT working on a plan, you are executing the orders of the civilian leadership. Been there done that and have the t-shirt.

We just recently took out a fuel depot in Syria with 116 fuel trucks. Other fuel/oil targets have already been taken out and more will be.

US military: Air strikes destroy 116 ISIS fuel trucks, sharing target info with France | Fox News

ISIS has been producing and selling about 30,000 to 40,000 barrels of oil per day for how long now? We have largely let this slide since these are easy targets to identify and eliminate.
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Be safe and keep up the fight.
 
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n_huffhines said:
A "world war" implies that there are dominant powers on each side of the conflict (and that they be nations). We're not even at war with Syria, let alone a dominant power.
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Isis is looking pretty ****ing dominant right about now.
 
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OrngeChkrboardVFL said:
Might be transparent about his intentions, but definitely not "ignoring" it. And, I promise you we are doing the work. I'm not pro Obama but we are working on whatever it is the powers at be have deemed necessary. And, we are putting bombs on target.

Some of the best guys I've ever met are Muslims with families out here and they would give you the shirt off their back.
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Belittling legitimate concerns is the same as ignoring them.

You are low on the totem pole and I personally will state there is no clear military objective to finish this. Blowing more **** up is like playing wack-a-mole.

Some of the best guys I have ever met were Muslims..... Until they weren't.
 
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volfanhill said:
Did not know this. Thanks hog! I would think there would be some sort of tracking on the barrels but I guess if you are smuggling the oil that goes out the window.
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It's not shipped in barrels, a barrel is just a measurement, 42 gallons. Once oil is on the world market it could end up anywhere.
 
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How many here want to bet that President Obama would repeat that his "strategy" is working and is the best way to handle ISIL, if there is a Paris style attack here in the United States?

After all, like he said, it will take time. . .

Whose time, what time, where the hell did they die? (Apologies to Peter Frampton)
 
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MontereyVol said:
Belittling legitimate concerns is the same as ignoring them.

You are low on the totem pole and I personally will state there is no clear military objective to finish this. Blowing more **** up is like playing wack-a-mole.

Some of the best guys I have ever met were Muslims..... Until they weren't.
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I would not consider what we are doing out here, ignoring. If so, I'd be at home enjoying football and getting ready to fry a turkey with my family.

You are correct, I am low on the big picture totem pole but I'm on it and involved. You "personally" stating things is like playing whack a mole. We are whacking ISIS.

I was in Mosul, Iraq when an Iraqi we were training turned his gun on the American troops training him. I was also in the states when the Oregon and South Carolina shootings occurred. You have radicals everywhere. Being a Muslim does not make you a terrorist. I'm personally stating it.
 
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A few items:

1. the recent French bombing campaign was against targets we identified for them. If we knew of them why haven't we taken them out? Was this posturing by the French or timidness by us?

2. Obama says the strategy is fine but he's going to up the intensity. Isn't intensity part of the strategy?

3. Folks like Feinstein (clearly not trying to score political points) read the intelligence and disagree with the POTUS characterization.

4. Gates (hardly a partisan) directly counters the POTUS rhetoric on Russia in the region, states directly that ideas that have been presented (like no fly zones) are not "half-baked" as the POTUS claimed and that people still do play power games in the 21st (an idea POTUS has suggested is old thinking).

5. There is an ongoing investigation that intelligence on ISIS was downplayed and possibly changed by people at CENTCOM.

6. Most bombing runs come back without dropping their payload.

7. There are no signs that even the "degrading" part of Degrade and Destroy is occurring.

8. By his own admission the POTUS entered into a strategy piece without belief it would work because he felt "pressured" to do so. Then went on to say "I told you so".

Just a short list but it ought to be sufficient to merit questions into his claims he is pursuing the "right" strategy and any suggestion otherwise is just "popping off"
 
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