Post NSD Two-Deep heading into 2017

#51
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GAVol said:
That doesn't make a lot of sense. True freshman get carries all the time.
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Really. So Butch has created depth at RB? Doesn't look like it to me.

After Kelly, how many returning yards do we have at the position?
 
#52
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Nothing wrong with a stud freshmen RB being your backup. Ty Chandler would be good enough to start almost anywhere else in the country.
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Most schools aren't on our schedule.

But LSU, UGA, and Bama are and he would start at none of those as a true freshman.

This is not a bash Chandler point, it is a bash Butch point.
 
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#53
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fade route said:
No it's not. Chandler is a blue chip recruit at RB, the easiest position for a freshman to learn and get playing time. Butch would have 2 senior RBs next year if one wasn't a complete head case and the other left early.
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If Kelly blows a knee, Chandler is our starter.

That is a sign of depth? Nope.
 
#54
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allvol123 said:
Actually Butch agrees with me, hence his desire for Akers.

But he failed. We do not have SEC quality depth at RB and Butch is 4 years in.

But keep making excuses, lifelong attribute I'm sure.
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You think that recruiting one of the most wanted backs in the nation
Only happens if you haven't recruited well in the past???

Lol, wow.

So Ohio State, Alabama, LSU, FSU and every other school that recruited him and another back, failed at recruiting the last several years?
I can't even respond... just wow.
 
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chargervol said:
You think that recruiting one of the most wanted backs in the nation
Only happens if you haven't recruited well in the past???

Lol, wow.

So Ohio State, Alabama, LSU, FSU and every other school that recruited him and another back, failed at recruiting the last several years?
I can't even respond... just wow.
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Sorry if comprehension is difficult for you.

Butch knows his depth at rb is horrid and he really needed Akers or something close to him.

But....Butch failed. Again.
 
#56
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allvol123 said:
Sorry if comprehension is difficult for you.

Butch knows his depth at rb is horrid and he really needed Akers or something close to him.

But....Butch failed. Again.
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Your understanding is definitely superior.
Only a guru such as yourself can fully comprehend that you only recruit the top players if you're desperate.

Wouldn't make any sense to do so any other time.
 
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chargervol said:
Your understanding is definitely superior.
Only a guru such as yourself can fully comprehend that you only recruit the top players if you're desperate.

Wouldn't make any sense to do so any other time.
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Bring the facts.

How many returning yards do we have after Kelly?

Come on, quit stalling. Show me the depth.
 
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#58
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allvol123 said:
Bring the facts.

How many returning yards do we have after Kelly?

Come on, quit stalling. Show me the depth.
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Is it a little weird to accuse me of stalling considering you never asked me to provide until now?

Anyway, I haven't looked up cfa's yardage. But I know Joe Young getting permanently injured and Hurd quitting, isn't Butch's failure. And you do realize it's very normal to only have one back with a lot of yardage return each year correct? Then your third string back with limited yardage, returns as your second string back?

Do you even watch football?
 
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chargervol said:
Is it a little weird to accuse me of stalling considering you never asked me to provide until now?

Anyway, I haven't looked up cfa's yardage. But I know Joe Young getting permanently injured and Hurd quitting, isn't Butch's failure. And you do realize it's very normal to only have one back with a lot of yardage return each year correct? Then your third string back with limited yardage, returns as your second string back?

Do you even watch football?
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I don't watch it the way you do, like a kid watching fireworks.

My point was he has developed no depth and then failed to secure what he needed to in this class. If you disagree, prove me wrong. You're allowed to do that without having it spelled out for you.

Not correct......Again.....our opponents......Bama, UGA, and LSU will all bring back a stable of more than 1 returning back. Which is not what we are doing.

Big time recruiters get 2 backs of note, when returning such little production.
 
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volfannbama said:
On WR- i would expect to see Bryd, Smith at the same time in some set, CBJ likes those slot type guy and would also think Callaway will start.

O line, i think Richmond starts as well, maybe along with Smith. I thought Kendrick was gone?

On D, Tuttle will start if he is healthy.

TK will stay at safety.
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Correct, Kendrick held down LT for 119 until Richmond could play on 120. Did a decent job even though it was not his natural position.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Dude you said the 2016 Vols were one of the most talented Vols teams in like 20 years. And that team barely managed 9 wins. Then you have said that because we lost Sutton, Dobbs and Calvin Johnson, I mean Jalen Hurd, that there is no way we can be that good in 2017. 2016 was going to be the first 15-0 team that is loaded with first round NFL picks. Now this team in 2017 has a championship roster? Yeah, whatever.
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We had better top line talent in 2016. We have better depth in 2017.

Depth wins championships in college football.

We'll have championship depth in 2017.
 
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BeardedVol said:
CB - Emmanuel Moseley (Senior)
CB - Justin Martin (Senior)
NB - Rashaan Gaulden (RS Junior)
FS - Micah Abernathy (Junior)
SS - Nigel Warrior (Sophomore)

That defensive backfield, is very disheartening to say the least.
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Actually I like it a lot. Especially with Buchanan and Labruzza as the backup corners.
 
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#65
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allvol123 said:
I don't watch it the way you do, like a kid watching fireworks.

My point was he has developed no depth and then failed to secure what he needed to in this class. If you disagree, prove me wrong. You're allowed to do that without having it spelled out for you.

Not correct......Again.....our opponents......Bama, UGA, and LSU will all bring back a stable of more than 1 returning back. Which is not what we are doing.

Big time recruiters get 2 backs of note, when returning such little production.
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We have more than one returning back.

CFA was only third string for a third of the season. He was right on pace with number of carries for 3rd string.

Joe Youngs career ending and Hurd quitting are NOT lack of having recruited backs.

These are checkable facts and more, it's common sense. Your hate has blinded any form of reasoning with you, I may as well debate with a stump. Believe what you wish, but even other 'negative' posters think your fos. That should tell you something.
 
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#66
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allvol123 said:
Really. So Butch has created depth at RB? Doesn't look like it to me.

After Kelly, how many returning yards do we have at the position?
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That's so weak. There are X number of carries in an offense and it just so happens that we had two studs that left at the same time. You're manufacturing things to complain about.

Edit... Kind of funny, but I just looked it up and realized that Kelly actually led all RBs in rushing last year.
 
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There are several 2017 talent topics going around comparing experience and recruiting stars but I'm curious of one thing. How many of these guys would start for another good SEC team? I'm not being smart by any means. Literally how many positions do we have where we can definitively say yeah, that LB would start at FL. That Tackle at GA. That RB at AL etc? Comparing stars and familiar faces is interesting but until we have 6-8 or whatever guys on both sides of the ball that would have a legitimate chance to start at another program...it's tough to expect competitiveness. With 11 on the field and throw in the 2 kickers, how many of our 24 would be starters at FL, GA, AL, LSU, T&m...?
 
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canIgetawinVols said:
There are several 2017 talent topics going around comparing experience and recruiting stars but I'm curious of one thing. How many of these guys would start for another good SEC team? I'm not being smart by any means. Literally how many positions do we have where we can definitively say yeah, that LB would start at FL. That Tackle at GA. That RB at AL etc? Comparing stars and familiar faces is interesting but until we have 6-8 or whatever guys on both sides of the ball that would have a legitimate chance to start at another program...it's tough to expect competitiveness. With 11 on the field and throw in the 2 kickers, how many of our 24 would be starters at FL, GA, AL, LSU, T&m...?
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Our defense will take a huge hit unless KP, Taylor, McDowell, Kong, Sapp, all our CBs, and Bituli step up. Last year, DB, JRM, Cam, Shy, and Kirkland could have started for most SEC teams. We get two of those guys back, and Shy can't stay healthy. You could possibly make an argument for TKjr, but he's not got the speed you'd like to see at S. He's probably better off as a box S or a WLB.

On offense, for this year, JJ for sure would start most places. I think Kelly, Byrd (though I think he needs to be our starting CB) and our QB could be players to watch here as well. Possibly Hall at RT if he could stay healthy. Maybe Smith if he dominates from the get go (not likely considering Mahoney is teaching him).
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
(Offense)

QB - Jarrett Guarantano (RS Freshmen) / Quinten Dormady (Junior) OR Sheriron Jones (RS Sophomore)
RB - John Kelly (Junior) / Ty Chandler (Freshmen)

WR1 - Jauan Jennings (Junior) / Marquez Callaway (Sophomore)
WR2 - Brandon Johnson (Sophomore) / Jordan Murphy OR Josh Palmer
WR3 - Josh Smith (RS Senior) / Latrell Williams (RS Freshmen)
TE - Ethan Wolf (Senior) / Jakob Johnson (Senior) OR Austin Pope (RS Freshmen) OR Eli Wolf (RS Sophomore)

LT - Brett Kendrick (Senior) / Drew Richmond (RS Sophomore)
LG - Jashon Robertson (Senior) / Venzell Boulware (RS Sophomore)
C - Coleman Thomas (Senior) / Riley Locklear (Freshmen)
RG - Jack Jones (Junior) / Trey Smith (Freshman)
RT - Chance Hall (Junior) / Marcus Tatum (Sophomore)

(Defense)

DE - Jonathan Kongbo (RS Junior) / Darrell Taylor (RS Sophomore)
DT - Kendal Vickers (RS Senior) / Shy Tuttle (Junior)
DT - Kahlil McKenzie (Junior) / Alexis Johnson (Senior)
DE - Kyle Phillips (Junior) / Austin Smith (RS Sophomore)

SLB - Daniel Bituli (Sophomore) / Cortez McDowell (Senior)
MLB - Darrin Kirkland Jr. (Junior) / Colton Jumper (Senior)
WLB - Quart'e Sapp (RS Sophomore) / Shanon Reid (Freshman) OR Solon Page (Freshman)

CB - Tyler Byrd (Sophomore) / Emmanuel Moseley (Senior)
CB - Justin Martin (Senior) / Baylen Buchanan (Sophomore)
NB - Rashaan Gaulden (RS Junior) / Marquill Osborne (Sophomore)
FS - Micah Abernathy (Junior) / Stephen Griffin (Junior)
SS - Todd Kelly Jr. (Senior) / Nigel Warrior (Sophomore) OR Evan Berry (Senior)

(Special Teams)

K - Aaron Medley (Senior)
P - Trevor Daniel (RS Senior)
KR - Evan Berry (Senior)
PR - Marquez Callaway (Sophomore)
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My revision to your 2 deep. I think this is more realistic as I don't see us moving people around too much. Still iffy on LB and where Daniel Bituli should go. I do hope that Byrd gets moved to corner (I don't think they move him but I would like to see him there so I put him there haha) I think he could be our most talented corner and he hasn't been corrupted by Martinez's teachings. I don't like Josh Smith starting at slot. He made a few good catches but every time we throw a screen to him it goes no where. I look to see Latrell Williams take over the starting role much the way Byrd did in 2016. Darrel Taylor is a situational DE. Kyle Phillips will get the start and he's earned it. I'm excited to see him get his shot and also excited to see Kongbo at DE. He may still work inside some though which could mean Taylor starts opposite of Phillips. Also how could you not put Marquez Callaway at PR. Even though we lost some amazing players I agree this team is very talented. We will go as far as our defense takes us IMO.
 
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allvol123 said:
Actually Butch agrees with me, hence his desire for Akers.

But he failed. We do not have SEC quality depth at RB and Butch is 4 years in.

But keep making excuses, lifelong attribute I'm sure.
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Everyone in America wanted Akers. Would be dumb not to. If there's 1 thing this staff has proven it's that they have a good eye for bringing in talent at RB. It not always the big name but that 3* that everyone else overlooked. CRG does an excellent job of coaching them up and having the RB's ready to contribute. Not sure what qualifies you to be a RB guru though. And as with the OP, these are all JOO
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
Don't see us winning 9 or 10 with our secondary. I doubt the d line is improved from last year after losing barnett. Who knows if Tuttle will be the same. 6-6 or 7-5.
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With better coaching I expect the secondary and OL to improve. How much?
 
#74
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allvol123 said:
Sorry if comprehension is difficult for you.

Butch knows his depth at rb is horrid and he really needed Akers or something close to him.

But....Butch failed. Again.
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No a fair shot at Butch. We were loaded at RB last year. Even the best teams find this happens ocassionally. I am guessing our Oline issues hurt in recruiting Akers.
 
#75
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Yep. Also, dont forget about him trashing Dobbs and the rest of the team.
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Never Forget -

Originally Posted by Dobbs 4 Heisman:

Embrassing.

Putrid.

Disgusting.

I can't believe I trusted these guys to improve. I can't believe I thought Butch Jones was anything but a liability. I can't believe I thought Dobbs could pass the ball.

I'd like to apologize to everyone for everything I said over the summer. This team sucks and this QB is terrible.

Hopefully Florida blasts them next week and Butch Jones is fired on the spot.
 
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