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#51
#51
i guess playing 3 top ten programs and 2 programs in the top 20 have nothing to do with any of those losses.
 
#53
#53
I am tired of this 'not enough talent' excuse. Our issues have nothing to do with talent, it's about coaching. With 2 weeks to prepare, look at what the product we put on the field.

Take the offense for example, talent all across the board. Explain to me why with 2 weeks to prepare, we can't put up more then 24 points on offense? Why can't we throw for more then 148 yards?

Is talent an issue on defense? Absolutely, but to ignore the lack of coaching is ridiculous.
 
#54
#54
maybe these teams are better than us right now.just a thought.except for the kensucky loss.
 
#56
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I'm probably standing alone in saying this but we just played 2 teams that are in the top 15 of the sec and we didn't get creamed by them. In fact we only lost both games by 10 points or less. They aren't wins, but seeing as how we suck this year I'd say it's not half bad. If we had a minute left on the Georigia game there is a good chance we probably would have beat them.
 
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except for the 98 year and we had some great years.have you ever known of it being easy for tenn.we've had some great teams and there has always been one or 2 games that have kept us from winning multiple nc's.
 
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loggervol said:
i guess playing 3 top ten programs and 2 programs in the top 20 have nothing to do with any of those losses.
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ahhh...I remember the days when TENNESSEE was one of the top ten programs....please...stop making excuses...UT has talent...UT has depth...THIS YEAR...this was gonna be THE YEAR!!!!! guess what....half the team is gone next year....guess what...the schedule is tougher next year..Oregon is going to just play with UT...hell even Western Kentucky is smiling at playing UT.
 
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Next year the Vols will have a senior dominated team no matter who leaves early this year. The single biggest problem from bringing in a new coach is the change of philosophy, offensive and defensive schemes and terminology, the entire cultural change. Knowing they have only 12 games left in college, do you see all those seniors buying into a completely new thing? The few seniors on Dooley's first team didn't integrate or lead much at all. Next year's senior class is much larger with many more starters. It'd be a tough time to change horses.
 
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jack_2222 said:
Next year the Vols will have a senior dominated team no matter who leaves early this year. The single biggest problem from bringing in a new coach is the change of philosophy, offensive and defensive schemes and terminology, the entire cultural change. Knowing they have only 12 games left in college, do you see all those seniors buying into a completely new thing? The few seniors on Dooley's first team didn't integrate or lead much at all. Next year's senior class is much larger with many more starters. It'd be a tough time to change horses.
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I'm not sure that's what needs to happen, and I don't think the school can afford it anyway. They'd then have to buy out Dooley's contract and start paying some other guy.
 
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coug said:
I'm not sure that's what needs to happen, and I don't think the school can afford it anyway. They'd then have to buy out Dooley's contract and start paying some other guy.
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Please.... STOP.

Revenues for the AD were down $9 million from '10 to '11. Do you know wanna guess the largest contributing factor? Lack of ticket sales and mechandise sales. Now just imagine what they will be like this year.

Meanwhile, Alabama saw an increase of revenue for $36 million during Saban's first first year, despite the team going 7-6.

If we hire a guy who can excite and unify the fanbase, we will have no trouble covering the buyout many times over. If we hire a 'diamond in the rough', the fanbase will be polarized and revenues will likely continue to fall (then you would be right, there was no point in getting rid of Dooley).
 
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#63
#63
I'm just happy to know people here are okay with 2 games under .500 8 games into the season. All of you people are what are known as "losers".
 
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FW2 ... liked your OP, liked your responses to the negative retorts. Solid and thoughtful. Seen (and listened to) alot of good (and bad) games more years than I like to admit. I'm disappointed in those fans who believe they are "supporting the team" by staying away from the Bama game (or any game), cause you don't like the coach or the outcome of the games. We expect our team not to quit, so shouldn't we lead by example and be there for them? I know I will.
 
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GoVols876 said:
Please.... STOP.

Revenues for the AD were down $9 million from '10 to '11. Do you know wanna guess the largest contributing factor? Lack of ticket sales and mechandise sales. Now just imagine what they will be like this year.

Meanwhile, Alabama saw an increase of revenue for $36 million during Saban's first first year, despite the team going 7-6.

If we hire a guy who can excite and unify the fanbase, we will have no trouble covering the buyout many times over. If we hire a 'diamond in the rough', the fanbase will be polarized and revenues will likely continue to fall (then you would be right, there was no point in getting rid of Dooley).
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I'd liken Dooley's situation to that of Obama inheriting Bush's problems. It's going to take longer than you think.
With all the problems having gone down with the entire UT athletic department you couldn't find your supposed high paid, holy grail coach and actually get him to come here. Throwing another new coach at the problem is definitely not going to help anything.

Comparing us right now to Alabama? Shame on you.
 
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Not 1 guy on this board wanted Dooley to fail and set our Vols back . He seems like a nice guy but at some point he has got to be held responsible for the play on the field. I honestly don't think he has any credibility in the locker room. The players seem way to relaxed after a loss and it feels like they didn't expect to win. We will get ready for next week isn't going to cut it. If next week is the same ole L . Sal might not have the studs some say he needs, But I have saw much better Defense from Vandy and other schools with less Talent. No way should we have looked that bad having 2 weeks to prepare. We can never ,ever dream of being in striking distance of top SEC schools until we hire a coach who can recruit with ALA,GEORGIA,FLORIDA,SOUTH CAROLINA. If these coaches are in your living room would you turn them down for a Coach that has never won? The player need to be held accountable when they under perform. You start benching those Star players and put young hungry guys in it will send a message.
 
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VolFootballlover said:
Not 1 guy on this board wanted Dooley to fail and set our Vols back . He seems like a nice guy but at some point he has got to be held responsible for the play on the field. I honestly don't think he has any credibility in the locker room. The players seem way to relaxed after a loss and it feels like they didn't expect to win. We will get ready for next week isn't going to cut it. If next week is the same ole L . Sal might not have the studs some say he needs, But I have saw much better Defense from Vandy and other schools with less Talent. No way should we have looked that bad having 2 weeks to prepare. We can never ,ever dream of being in striking distance of top SEC schools until we hire a coach who can recruit with ALA,GEORGIA,FLORIDA,SOUTH CAROLINA. If these coaches are in your living room would you turn them down for a Coach that has never won? The player need to be held accountable when they under perform. You start benching those Star players and put young hungry guys in it will send a message.
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Let us just dissect your comment real quick...

1. No one is saying Dooley doesn't deserve any of the credit for losing... It's his team therefore he's responsible. I'm saying the players should be held accountable as well and perform when they are put in position and need to step up. It's a two way street. There's also a slight difference in being held responsible and people who write absurd stuff on the rock and the thousands of threads that call for his head over the past two years, which only brings more negative attention to our program and throws gas on the fire for opposing coaches to negative recruit against us.

2. As for him "losing credibility in the locker room" I don't see where you're getting that either? Tiny has been quoted as saying he wouldn't rather play for anyone else. I have a very close friend who is a leader on the team that has told me repeatedly this year that Dooley has regained the locker room more than he ever has so idk where you're getting that info either.

3. No one can recruit with Alabama. Period. And we do and have recruited better than South Carolina since Dooley arrived they just have pulled two studs (Lattimore and Clowney) from their own backyard... Florida has the most in state talent in the country, so keeping up with them is no small task no matter who you have sitting in the living room. We've just had more turnover staff wise so our guys have had to learn more schemes defensively which is difficult. Tennessee does not produce the talent that those states do, so we are going into other states and having to pluck kids out of enemy territory. Also with the state of the program the last 5-7 years, kids haven't grown up seeing Tennessee as the juggernaut many of us remember when we were growing up in the mid 1990's-early 2000's, so recruiting the few elite in state kids isn't the guaranteed lock it used to be.

4. So you're suggesting benching our best players and letting younger guys play?... I'm glad you are not calling the shots in Knox then b/c that statement is humorous.

5. About the only thing we agree on is that I'm dumbfounded how we can have two weeks to prepare for Miss State and that's the result we get defensively... It's hard to believe we still are having trouble matching up defensively and simply getting lined up properly and making and executing the right calls. Very frustrating to see but hopefully those are just growing pains in a new system and will be wrinkled out as the season goes on.
 
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FredWhite2 said:
...Everyone needs to take a breath and for those who cannot control their emotions or contain themselves maybe you shouldn't post after games until you've had time to calm down or mature... We play the #1 team in the country...
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I'm gonna take a deep breath and brace for the brutal butt kickin we're gonna get handed to us this weekend.
 
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#72
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Dooley got handed an opportunity because of the situation and timing. Basically he didnt earn the opportunity on his own merit.

He hasnt earned the right to continue since then. Its really that simple.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Dooley got handed an opportunity because of the situation and timing. Basically he didnt earn the opportunity on his own merit.

He hasnt earned the right to continue since then. Its really that simple.
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Yep.

Can't blame him for taking a huge raise to try either

Gonna come out pretty too with buyout.
 
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FredWhite2 said:
How has no improvement been made? This just shows what most of the people calling for Dooley's head don't know what they are talking about...

1. We've improved our running game tremendously this year and our O-Line (who are all Dooley guys except Thomas) are one of the best in the league.

2. Our talent has gotten better to where we can actually compete with good teams for four quarters instead of just one half of the game. We have had a chance to win all three games we've lost except one in the final minutes of the game. Our kids just have never been there before and say what you want in those situations that matters. We need to get that monkey off of our back.

3. The main area that hurts us and melts down for a quarter a game is our defense. It's year 1 under a new defensive coordinator there are always going to be growing pains when you have turnover like that. Dooley didn't ask Wilcox and Sirmon to leave but he had to play the hand he was dealt and got a more than suitable replacement IMO. We haven't played one game of solid defense all year, if we can put one together we will see that we aren't in as bad of shape as most think.

4. Yes your argument of "what does any of that matter if we don't win at the end of the day?" has some legs to it, but to make the claim that after 3 years under Dooley we are not way better off than when he got here is ignorant. We play in the hardest conference in the country and have had to rebuild our program from NCAA sanction-like trouble... There is improvement. There is better talent on this team. We just need to get over that hump.
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Wow!!!!!!!! All this time, I thought I was one of the only reasonable people on VolNation. Phew!!

Haha. Great Post! I'm not sure why this notion of there has been no improvement has gained so much traction. I agree that we aren't winning and some will say that's all that matters, but I will also say that if we improve in the off-season of 2013 like we did in the off-season of 2012 I believe we will turn some of the close loses into close wins next year.
 
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