Possible Upsets - Western Kentucky

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bleedorange0037 said:
This is some of the most uninformed nonsense that has ever been posted on this board, and that's really saying something. 2009 was WKU's first season in FBS and they went 0-12. Last year they went 7-6 and went to a bowl game. In what world is that not significant progress?

Also, LOL at UT being in a nearly identical situation as we were in 2009. The ONLY similarity is that we've just hired a new coach. That '09 team had two first round draft picks on defense and a RB that went in the second round. The talent level isn't remotely on the same level right now.
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If your logic is based on draft picks, please go. I fourth to sixth round RB in a deep RB draft could easily go the first two rounds in a short list of RB's in a draft. I'm not taking away from the players on the 2009 team, but don't base the entire quality of a team on where the top players landed in the following draft.
 
#77
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Bobby Petrino’s only season in the NFL was abysmal. It was so terrible that he did not even spend a whole season as the coach of the Falcons. After coaching just thirteen regular season games in the National football league, Petrino took his ball and went to Arkansas.
 
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everyone assumes that they will be good because of Petrino aand are quick to point out how we are learning new schemes and should be limited. How about the same for WKU? they dont have alot of the players from last year and Petrino hasnt recruited the guys he wants for his scheme. they are learning a brand new scheme except they dont have the kind of talent he had at Arky. Hell, Petrino wasnt good in his first season at Arky so why would it be any different here? Yes they have 2 or 3 three really good players but you need more than that. The UK/WKU game should be interesting.
 
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Maybe if the game was later in the year....could an upset be possible, but for a program determine to erase the past 7 years....this game will not be close.....45 - 17 type event....at The Hill....new swagger...new team.....new coach....No upset not even close......
 
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volboy81 said:
But Ark was in the mighty Southwest Conference for 30 of those yrs... of course with all the cheating that went on in that conf (I think Ark was the only team that didnt cheat...ALL the TX teams did) I guess that's not bad...
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I seem to remember that there were 3 teams who didn't get any sanctions. Arkansas, Rice, and one other. It was a strong conference, and ESPN named Arkansas the 19th most prestigious football program when they made their list, based on football success from 1936 on. They said that Arkansas would have been #10 if they just used the decades of the 50's and 60's. Tennessee was #19 overall .
 
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Not sure I understand people constantly trying to keep the good coach/awful person things separate.

The bad is going to start affecting the good, IMO (negative recruiting, etc).
 
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VolBeef88 said:
I disagree. The 09 team was a year removed from playing in the SEC championship game. This is a team coming of 3 straight losing seasons. Posted via VolNation Mobile
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The '08 team was horrible despite coming off an SECCG appearance, so I don't buy your argument.

Which units on the '09 team (other than DBs) were better than the corresponding units on the '13 team? Truthfully, we probably can't answer that question until this season is over. But, going into the '09 season, we had Eric Berry and question marks everywhere else. This team has a few really good players (A.J. and Tiny to name a couple) and a lot of question marks. I don't see much difference between the 2 teams, but I think overall the '13 team is more talented than the '09 team.
 
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RiseToTheTop said:
everyone assumes that they will be good because of Petrino aand are quick to point out how we are learning new schemes and should be limited. How about the same for WKU? they dont have alot of the players from last year and Petrino hasnt recruited the guys he wants for his scheme. they are learning a brand new scheme except they dont have the kind of talent he had at Arky. Hell, Petrino wasnt good in his first season at Arky so why would it be any different here? Yes they have 2 or 3 three really good players but you need more than that. The UK/WKU game should be interesting.
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WKU returns7 starters on offense including Antonio Andrews who surpassed 3,000 yeards of total offense last year and 4 offensive lineman with significant experience.
Defensively, the DL is all new however, the back seven, including FS Johnathon Dowling and MLB Andrew Jackson (both future NFL players) are all returning starters.
Just for comparison (and realizing that last years Vol defense was a Sunseri-induced aberration) WKU's defense held Troy to 22 less points than the UT defense.
UT will win, but discounting WKU in the manner in which some posters are indicates a lack of knowledge or an abundance of arrogance.
 
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volleyvol said:
This is revisionist history. I'm not going to go through a position-by-position breakdown, but the '09 team was only definitively better than the '13 team at one position (secondary). At every other position, it's either a push or the '13 team is better.
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LOL, whatever man. The only position where the '09 team would be inferior is offensive line.
 
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Weee'rre Baaccckk said:
A few colleagues and I were discussing the possibility of upsets for our respected teams, Tennessee for myself and Ole Miss for my peers, to which they began to try and convince me that Petrino would pull off an upset over us. They had a variety of reasons, but we incapable of convincing me.

What say ye Vol Nation. Does Bobby stand a chance?

I say Nay!
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Yall must be ah day dreamin' cause it's to early to be ah drinkn'. The upset will be the Vols ah beatin' ether ala, fla, ga. My spell check just went wild. :yes:
 
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BGKYVol said:
WKU returns7 starters on offense including Antonio Andrews who surpassed 3,000 yeards of total offense last year and 4 offensive lineman with significant experience.
Defensively, the DL is all new however, the back seven, including FS Johnathon Dowling and MLB Andrew Jackson (both future NFL players) are all returning starters.
Just for comparison (and realizing that last years Vol defense was a Sunseri-induced aberration) WKU's defense held Troy to 22 less points than the UT defense.
UT will win, but discounting WKU in the manner in which some posters are indicates a lack of knowledge or an abundance of arrogance.
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Now, now. Let's not start bringing facts and stats in to a conversation where mere "feelings" seem to suffice. You might make heads (and hearts) explode! :)
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
LOL, whatever man. The only position where the '09 team would be inferior is offensive line.
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You and I must have been watching different teams. Going into that season, our QBs were horrible. We had no proven running backs, no proven receivers, and question marks all over the defense. We saw their talent emerge under the new staff as the season progressed. Think what you want, but CBJ is inheriting a more talented team than Kiffin did.
 
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#91
Anything is possible, I didn't think we would struggle against Akron or Georgia State. This was with Bray, Patterson and the like....we haven't really beaten anyone in the last few years.
Still, Go Vols
 
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BGKYVol said:
WKU returns7 starters on offense including Antonio Andrews who surpassed 3,000 yeards of total offense last year and 4 offensive lineman with significant experience.
Defensively, the DL is all new however, the back seven, including FS Johnathon Dowling and MLB Andrew Jackson (both future NFL players) are all returning starters.
Just for comparison (and realizing that last years Vol defense was a Sunseri-induced aberration) WKU's defense held Troy to 22 less points than the UT defense.
UT will win, but discounting WKU in the manner in which some posters are indicates a lack of knowledge or an abundance of arrogance.
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exactly. they return what 11 of 22 starters.50%.good for them they have two NFL players. but there is 11 on the field at a time.Yes, UT will win.Their brand new DL that you totally dismissed will more than likely get punished by our O Line.
 
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UGADawg4Life said:
Now, now. Let's not start bringing facts and stats in to a conversation where mere "feelings" seem to suffice. You might make heads (and hearts) explode! :)
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Ahh, facts and stats. Last year, UGA lost to S.Carolina but beats Florida. S.Carolina loses to Florida but beats UGA. Following the line of thinking that you seem to support, Florida should have beaten UGA. They did not. "Facts and stats" are tricky little rascals aren't they?
 
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#94
Last years team had a chance. Their offense verses our defense...Yikes.

But they lost more talent last year than us to graduation.

Besides Petrino is too busy establishing his Bimbo network to concentrate on Football. That will come next year.
 
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90 Vol said:
Ahh, facts and stats. Last year, UGA lost to S.Carolina but beats Florida. S.Carolina loses to Florida but beats UGA. Following the line of thinking that you seem to support, Florida should have beaten UGA. They did not. "Facts and stats" are tricky little rascals aren't they?
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Very good input
 
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RiseToTheTop said:
everyone assumes that they will be good because of Petrino aand are quick to point out how we are learning new schemes and should be limited. How about the same for WKU? they dont have alot of the players from last year and Petrino hasnt recruited the guys he wants for his scheme. they are learning a brand new scheme except they dont have the kind of talent he had at Arky. Hell, Petrino wasnt good in his first season at Arky so why would it be any different here? Yes they have 2 or 3 three really good players but you need more than that. The UK/WKU game should be interesting.
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Did Bill Curry make Georgia State unbeatable? Did Tommy Bowden make Akron unbeatable?

I'm sure they help, but they aren't on the field playing.
 
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