Possible Replacement For Serrano?

Catching them is something we discuss here on a daily basis. IMO I am not sure we can catch them.

And that's what I'm saying...until we can offer more than hope with hard work...this is just one thing in a list of things that makes this a difficult job.

I'm not simply saying we need to make a regional to save CDS' job, we need to make it so we can tell recruits THEY can make it...here.

What Stewart did and what Nick will probably do is great for the program but it's gonna take a lot more of that in my opinion.
 
And that's what I'm saying...until we can offer more than hope with hard work...this is just one thing in a list of things that makes this a difficult job.

I'm not simply saying we need to make a regional to save CDS' job, we need to make it so we can tell recruits THEY can make it...here.

What Stewart did and what Nick will probably do is great for the program but it's gonna take a lot more of that in my opinion.

Make a regional what steward and Senzel have done will help a lot. Without winnings it means much much less
 
Mlb scouts have a hell of a lot to do with who goes to the cape. Matter of fact each cape team is basically affiliated with a MLB team

College coaches will help get the borderline kids on rosters like Soto, But the kids we are discussing here are no brainers and would go regardless of where they play their college baseball.

The Cape teams have no affiliation with MLB. Scouts go there...because that is where the best talent is. Like I said...Scout teams in high school age are run by MLB...Area Code Games are in place for MLB scouts.

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The general managers and coaches from the Cape are constantly recruiting and researching players. It is also a pitching heavy league. They start early contacting college teams trying to get the best players. They do develop regional contacts and relationships with coaches. College coaches can also try and get their best players on one of the teams. UT does a pretty good job with getting kids on good summer teams. Serrano had contacts in California and Alaska and does a good job with places for kids after their freshman year. Summer after sophomore year is the time for the Cape and that is results and/or prospect based. UT has had a solid group compared to many programs. Again, the one exception is pitching, we need more.
 
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The general managers and coaches from the Cape are constantly recruiting and researching players. It is also a pitching heavy league. They start early contacting college teams trying to get the best players. They do develop regional contacts and relationships with coaches. College coaches can also try and get their best players on one of the teams. UT does a pretty good job with getting kids on good summer teams. Serrano had contacts in California and Alaska and does a good job with places for kids after their freshman year. Summer after sophomore year is the time for the Cape and that is results and/or prospect based. UT has had a solid group compared to many programs. Again, the one exception is pitching, we need more.

I agree with a lot of this. I would point out that it works out that way for us that it's time for the Cape after the sophomore year, but as I posted yesterday, there are a bunch from other teams that hit the Cape after their Freshman year.

Norman from LSU, Marrero from MSU, Breaux from LSU, Reyes from UF, Tolbert from SC...just a few I looked up in addition to the Vandy freshmen listed yesterday...add freshman RHP Maddux Conger to that list for VU...forgot him yesterday.
 
The Cape teams have no affiliation with MLB. Scouts go there...because that is where the best talent is. Like I said...Scout teams in high school age are run by MLB...Area Code Games are in place for MLB scouts.

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I Didn't say there was a an official affiliation to each team but mlb teams have specific teams they work with in placing guys there to play

It's not used as much as it used to but mlb teams needed those affiliations to place kids to follow in the summer
 
I'd also like to point out in SEC only stats, Soto has the best ERA 3.52 and the second best b/avg at .217

So while he might not blow anyone away, he's obviously doing something right.

As it relates to summer ball, Soto had as good or better numbers as guys like Warren, Marks, or Serrano up in Alaska.
 
I'd also like to point out in SEC only stats, Soto has the best ERA 3.52 and the second best b/avg at .217

So while he might not blow anyone away, he's obviously doing something right.

As it relates to summer ball, Soto had as good or better numbers as guys like Warren, Marks, or Serrano up in Alaska.

Soto has been great!

But that doesn't make him a real pro prospect.
 
I'd also like to point out in SEC only stats, Soto has the best ERA 3.52 and the second best b/avg at .217

So while he might not blow anyone away, he's obviously doing something right.

As it relates to summer ball, Soto had as good or better numbers as guys like Warren, Marks, or Serrano up in Alaska.

Some guys are gamers who perform well under the pressure of a real game and others are showcase guys who look good on paper but don't compete well. Tennessee has some in each category.
 
I posted some of this on another forum, but I want to weigh in with it here as well.

The baseball program here isn't going to be as successful as other teams in this league until the administration decides to devote resources to support the program at the same level other schools in this league are. There are plenty more factors than just a facility. If you want to focus on one thing, that's fine, but it's not the whole story.

The fact is, other schools in this league are spending twice as much (or more) on baseball than Tennessee is and our staff is being asked to be competitive with them anyway.

What areas are they outspending us? Travel, for one. Most teams in the league are using charter flights for trips longer than 3 hours. Ours busses virtually everywhere. They can't fly commercial out of Knoxville because of the size of the travel party. So where other teams are spending an hour on a flight, our team is on a bus for 6 hours. They're actually getting to fly to Missouri this weekend, but only because two sleeper busses couldn't be secured like the last time they went there.

Another area is that UT has decided not to spend the money it costs (about $5-6000 per game) to produce every baseball and softball game for an SEC Network+ stream, instead choosing to devote resources to do a better production for a smaller number of games. UT is one of the only schools choosing to do it this way. Most schools are streaming all of their baseball and softball games.

Our stadium and stadium situation hurt our fan support as much as anything on the field. UT makes it very difficult for a fan to come to a game. There is virtually no parking (although the new garage on the old Stokely site will help some), and once fans get to the gates, they find a stadium with terrible concessions and no atmosphere. You can blame marketing or whatever, but the biggest problem is that fans are used to coming to first-class facilities to watch UT games. They get that at Neyland, Thompson-Boling, Regal Soccer Stadium and Lee Softball Stadium, but they get the exact opposite at LNS. On the days we do draw a decent crowd, the amenities like restrooms and concessions are completely overwhelmed. Not solely because of mismanagement, but because the facilities lack the ability to serve that many people in a timely fashion.

There are a half-dozen other examples I can cite, but those are a couple of the big ones. None of these issues are the single reason UT baseball is not succeeding, but as part of the full picture, it's tough to compete.

The bottom line is this. If you want to blame Dave Serrano for the team underperforming, that's fine, that's your right. There are certainly numbers that support that position and I won't dispute that at all. But if you think that just hiring a new coach is going to change everything, then you're wrong. You're free to disagree with that, but it's the truth.

The best we can hope for out of the program with the current level of investment is middle of the pack. True, we're not currently achieving even that. But this is a deeper problem than just getting rid of a coach with a proven track record.

Rod Delmonico was an abrasive jerk, but he was an above-average coach that was able to be successful until other programs started investing in baseball like UT was doing in the 90s. As other programs rose, ours fell because we didn't match the new investments. We fell further behind and dumped Rod. Hired Todd Raleigh on the cheap and let the program fall even more while spending even less on it. They promised Serrano additional investments to get him to come here and he made less in his first few years here than he was making at Fullerton to help make those investments a reality. They never came and now we are where we are.

You can label all of this as "excuses" if you want, but they're the realities that Serrano is working with. They are the same realities that the next coach will deal with, whether that's next year or in five years.

How much was Serrano making his first few seasons? There's no way he was making less than $150k which is what he was making at CSF.
 
So we spend the $30k less than MSU and have results at complete opposite ends of the spectrum, meanwhile Auburn is spending with the best of them and has consistency on par with us? The only real correlation is with the top 3 teams.

Somebody asked for the link, I provided it...draw your own conclusions.
 
Somebody asked for the link, I provided it...draw your own conclusions.

And I did. Auburn is getting a horrible ROI for their money and State is getting a hell of a bang for their buck. My comment wasn't a jab at you, it was made for general discussion.

I would imagine operating expenses include staffing for concessions, ushers, security (assuming they're paid) as well as upkeep and utilities on facilities and costs of stocking more concession items. Larger stadiums would in all likelihood lend themselves to more costs and be classified as operating expenses. But does that ultimately have any bearing on the performance of the program?
 
Jimmies and Joes, not X & O's. Ash could get them here. Serrano couldn't. Plain and simple. The worst team (besides us) has Tanner Roark (sp?) throwing low 90s and we have Warren sitting mid 80s. I don't care how good a coach you are if that is your situation.
 
Jimmies and Joes, not X & O's. Ash could get them here. Serrano couldn't. Plain and simple. The worst team (besides us) has Tanner Roark (sp?) throwing low 90s and we have Warren sitting mid 80s. I don't care how good a coach you are if that is your situation.

I agree he could get them here as RC
 
And I did. Auburn is getting a horrible ROI for their money and State is getting a hell of a bang for their buck. My comment wasn't a jab at you, it was made for general discussion.

I would imagine operating expenses include staffing for concessions, ushers, security (assuming they're paid) as well as upkeep and utilities on facilities and costs of stocking more concession items. Larger stadiums would in all likelihood lend themselves to more costs and be classified as operating expenses. But does that ultimately have any bearing on the performance of the program?

There's been a lot of discussion on this topic...I'd say for a program where we are, with the participation we usually have on this board...a very in depth conversation and I've said, lots of valid points on both sides.

I think for sure an athletic's department's commitment is big for any coach. Is it everything? No. Does it explain beating a program like Vandy one weekend and losing two, one run games to Missouri the next....no. They did get to fly this weekend, it's still a bit of a trip, but lots of teams have those issues.

I said...I'm sure someone could dig it up, or might remember...very early...If Andy Cox and Hunter Martin can't be the guys they are supposed to be that this would be a long year. When you have Serrano and Westphal out...where does it come from? Lipinski and Kane got a lot of rope and hanged themselves.

We just don't have it...the pitching...I watched SC/UF last night...we don't have it...not anywhere close to it...not in the ball park...we don't have a Houck...we don't have it...

Why not? Is it philosophy? Is it just missing in recruiting? Do we have the necessary resources, facilities...whatever to attract that kind of pitching?

Because we don't have it. That was the worst hitting team, worst fielding team in the SEC going into the weekend...we lost two 1 run games...whatever "IT" is...we don't have it, haven't had it.
 
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All the discussion about athletic department investment and funding decisions doesn't have much to do with the question of how well CDS is recruiting, retaining, coaching, and developing within the constraints he has.

I'm concerned that he signs too many guys who are known risks to go pro, that his next level of recruits below the pros who use us as a bargaining chip are several cuts below, that few of his players develop up to or beyond their high school projections, that we continue not to have enough depth to get through a weekend without playing desperation games with the rotation or listing TBD as our Sunday starter, that we don't see next year's front line pitchers being groomed.

These things are at least partially in the sphere coaches are usually held responsible for controlling, and they don't seem to be getting better.
 
All the discussion about athletic department investment and funding decisions doesn't have much to do with the question of how well CDS is recruiting, retaining, coaching, and developing within the constraints he has.

I'm concerned that he signs too many guys who are known risks to go pro, that his next level of recruits below the pros who use us as a bargaining chip are several cuts below, that few of his players develop up to or beyond their high school projections, that we continue not to have enough depth to get through a weekend without playing desperation games with the rotation or listing TBD as our Sunday starter, that we don't see next year's front line pitchers being groomed.

These things are at least partially in the sphere coaches are usually held responsible for controlling, and they don't seem to be getting better.

I agree with much of this and I would go so far as to say it would suck to be a freshman in this program. We are a loss tomorrow and even if we somehow manage to win, with UF coming to town, a loss or two away from spending the rest of the year looking at players we probably should have been seeing much earlier in the year.
 
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