Pope: There Is No Hell

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BeecherVol said:
At what point does "grieved" go too far? In the sense that, the moments of weakness become too frequent.
Im trying to get a better understanding of this before I judge someone on what God is or isn't going to do when that day comes for them.
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That is a slippery slope, and each individual is different, but God will be their judge and I just encourage them to do right and live for God. I do know this, if someone says that they are saved and never want anything to do with God or Gods people or bible and the live a sinful lifestyle year after year, I'm certain the word of God describes them as lost.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Im affiliated.

Just curious as to "want" to sin but still yet continuing to in different ways. When you sin now is it a conscience choice that you make? Or a mistake because you didn't "want" to anymore due to not being perfect?
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There are many ways that we sin. Many of them are in the moment and we are convicted. Then we repent.

I'm sinning when I catch myself looking at the well endowed lady in the low cut top at the store and wishing I could take a closer look. The Lord reminds me that those lustful thoughts are the same in his eyes as the act itself.

I'm sinning when some guy in a red pickup comes flying up on my bumper and I decide to teach him a lesson by slamming on my brakes. And then when he passes me I have the desire to come up behind him and put him in a ditch. The Lord reminds me that those hateful thoughts are the same in his eyes as the act of murder itself.
 
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BeecherVol said:
At what point does "grieved" go too far? In the sense that, the moments of weakness become too frequent.
Im trying to get a better understanding of this before I judge someone on what God is or isn't going to do when that day comes for them.
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It isn't your place to judge what God is going do. That's His place alone.
 
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BigO95 said:
That is a slippery slope, and each individual is different, but God will be their judge and I just encourage them to do right and live for God. I do know this, if someone says that they are saved and never want anything to do with God or Gods people or bible and the live a sinful lifestyle year after year, I'm certain the word of God describes them as lost.
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It most definitely is, that's kinda what Im getting at. You dropped a lot of disclaimers for what is not a christian even if they claim to be.
The first is pretty simple, with the second and third tied in many ways. The sinful lifestyle "year after year" is a point of question. When you place a time limit or level (or type) of sin you may still be involved with even tho you have put down others you are inching toward a works based salvation to me since we both know and understand that our righteousness is as filthy rags and we will sin even after salvation occurs.

Im not gonna pretend to know where that line will be placed.
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
It isn't your place to judge what God is going do. That's His place alone.
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BeecherVol said:
It most definitely is, that's kinda what Im getting at. You dropped a lot of disclaimers for what is not a christian even if they claim to be.
The first is pretty simple, with the second and third tied in many ways. The sinful lifestyle "year after year" is a point of question. When you place a time limit or level (or type) of sin you may still be involved with even tho you have put down others you are inching toward a works based salvation to me since we both know and understand that our righteousness is as filthy rags and we will sin even after salvation occurs.

Im not gonna pretend to know where that line will be placed.
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:hi:
 
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BeecherVol said:
It most definitely is, that's kinda what Im getting at. You dropped a lot of disclaimers for what is not a christian even if they claim to be.
The first is pretty simple, with the second and third tied in many ways. The sinful lifestyle "year after year" is a point of question. When you place a time limit or level (or type) of sin you may still be involved with even tho you have put down others you are inching toward a works based salvation to me since we both know and understand that our righteousness is as filthy rags and we will sin even after salvation occurs.

Im not gonna pretend to know where that line will be placed.
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Most don’t know where the line is and according to Messiah there will be many shocked to find out they’re not “Christian” enough to get in.


That’s Mathew 7

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many [n]miracles?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Most don’t know where the line is and according to Messiah there will be many shocked to find out they’re not “Christian” enough to get in.


That’s Mathew 7

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many [n]miracles?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’
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Exactly.
 
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I would like to see no question asked in the army of what denomination a chaplain belongs to; but let the question be, Does he preach the Gospel?
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- Thomas Jonathan "Stonewall" Jackson
 
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BigO95 said:
Keep twisting the scriptures, you will stand before God for your teaching as well as I. :hi:
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"Twisting scriptures" is defining the Kingdom of God, as Jesus Himself used it, and giving verses within that context, as well as the context they are given within their book?

Seems to me you get rattled by correct division of scripture and refuse to answer very simple, direct questions... Like...

Considering Jesus' use of "Kingdom of God" as having come upon the earth when He was bringing liberation to spiritual captives, how can you continue to define it as "the eternal paradise where teetotalers go"?
 
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roosterjbh said:
I used to go to a Free Will Baptist Church as a child. Not religious anymore, but those were good people.
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Its relatively small I guess compared to other Baptist branches. Im not a big denomination guy myself. There is plenty of good and bad in all of them.
 
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BeecherVol said:
It most definitely is, that's kinda what Im getting at. You dropped a lot of disclaimers for what is not a christian even if they claim to be.
The first is pretty simple, with the second and third tied in many ways. The sinful lifestyle "year after year" is a point of question. When you place a time limit or level (or type) of sin you may still be involved with even tho you have put down others you are inching toward a works based salvation to me since we both know and understand that our righteousness is as filthy rags and we will sin even after salvation occurs.

Im not gonna pretend to know where that line will be placed.
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1 John 2:3-6 (KJV)
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
1 John 3:11-14 (KJV)
11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
13 Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.


Revelation 21:8 (KJV)
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Revelation 22:14-15 (KJV)
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

James 2:14-26 (KJV)
14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Faith without works is dead theology!!!

Matthew 7:15-23 (KJV)
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

It seems very plain to me from the word of God. Ultimately, I don't know who is saved and lost, but God told us a good description of how lost people act and what they do.
 
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BigO95 said:
1 John 2:3-6 (KJV)
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
1 John 3:11-14 (KJV)
11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
13 Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.


Revelation 21:8 (KJV)
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Revelation 22:14-15 (KJV)
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

James 2:14-26 (KJV)
14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Faith without works is dead theology!!!

Matthew 7:15-23 (KJV)
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

It seems very plain to me from the word of God. Ultimately, I don't know who is saved and lost, but God told us a good description of how lost people act and what they do.
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There is the point Im getting at. You are explaining something with details and even time frames (when it comes to sin) but yet then say you ultimately don't know what that means in regards to God deeming you saved.

I don't have a clue. Not because I don't know what the Bible says, but because Im not the judge in such case. Me nor anyone else defining it with limits and details are unwise IMO, especially when we know saved christians will continue to sin even after a profession of faith.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Most don’t know where the line is

and according to Messiah there will be many shocked to find out they’re not “Christian” enough to get in.
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Good post.

Yea, I wonder if more actually do know where that line is, or at least has a better idea where it is, than want to admit.

I'm trying to think of a more fitting word than "shocked", but all I can come up with is angry. In addition to shocked. Only because I think there will be many that knew deep down but justified it and/or kept putting it off.

"I never knew you". That's scary right there.
 
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