Pope: There Is No Hell

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Pope Francis: 'There Is No Hell'

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interesting. Pretty sure this is honest when I say it, but I only remember one priest mentioning hell in a service.

the souls thing to me is more interesting and actually contentious to our beliefs than the lack of a hell.
 
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Is that really what he said or is that just clickbait headline?
 
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gcbvol said:
It's all about how one defines hell, in my opinion.
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I have always been taught that it was the complete separation from God.

Heaven was you were directly with God.
Purgatory was kinda a waiting room, you can see the light of heaven from beyond a door but you aren't part of it.
Hell was complete separation not an actual place.

like I said, souls dying/disappearing is a much more interesting topic of discussion.
 
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LouderVol said:
I have always been taught that it was the complete separation from God.

Heaven was you were directly with God.
Purgatory was kinda a waiting room, you can see the light of heaven from beyond a door but you aren't part of it.
Hell was complete separation not an actual place.

like I said, souls dying/disappearing is a much more interesting topic of discussion.
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Similar for me, though I'm now agnostic. I was JW and the idea of hell was complete separation from God (permanent death). There is no eternal torment component. Heaven was a bit more complicated.
 
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So an athiest columnist (what ever he is) who is at 'La Republica' talks with the Pope about several topics in an audience the Pope does not construe as an 'interview'.

Then the guy writes an article without getting confirmation that what he's printing is what the Pope intended. So much so that 'La Republica' has to attach this addendum to the article after receiving a disclaimer from the Vatican.

..."What is reported by the author in today’s article [in La Repubblica] is the result of his reconstruction, in which the textual words pronounced by the Pope are not quoted. No quotation of the aforementioned article must therefore be considered as a faithful transcription of the words of the Holy Father."....

Hmmmm..?
 
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McDad said:
Is that really what he said or is that just clickbait headline?
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It's based on an interview with an elderly reporter who recounts things based on memory. So the vatican issued this response:

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Sounds like they are trying to cover for a man who obviously has lost touch with reality and may not be of sound mind.
 
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LouderVol said:
yeah, good luck with that
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I think he's of sound mind. I think the Vatican can't stand his willingness to continually separate Catholicism from Protestantism, since reconciling these sects was one of the main projects of JPII.

Francis says things that piss protestants off.
 
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therealUT said:
I think he's of sound mind. I think the Vatican can't stand his willingness to continually separate Catholicism from Protestantism, since reconciling these sects was one of the main projects of JPII.

Francis says things that piss protestants off.
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I don’t know. When your holy leader steps out in direct objection to the rest of your constituents beliefs and the firm belief of the Catholic Church since it’s inception something is a miss

Then again, Trump won the republican ticket and is now our president so.....
 
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barknoxbrawler said:
I don’t know. When your holy leader steps out in direct objection to the rest of your constituents beliefs and the firm belief of the Catholic Church since it’s inception something is a miss

Then again, Trump won the republican ticket and is now our president so.....
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Catholic teaching has long been that hell is the second death, in which the soul is destroyed. As such, he's not saying anything that is conceptually inconsistent. He's just saying it in a way that will piss protestants off.
 
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therealUT said:
Catholic teaching has long been that hell is the second death, in which the soul is destroyed. As such, he's not saying anything that is conceptually inconsistent. He's just saying it in a way that will piss protestants off.
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I don’t see it that way. Hell is still a place in the belief of the Catholic Church. If your soul goes there for destruction or eternal damnation it is still a destination. When his own church and members are backtracking, there is an issue.
I think something is brewing in the Vatican.
 
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therealUT said:
Catholic teaching has long been that hell is the second death, in which the soul is destroyed. As such, he's not saying anything that is conceptually inconsistent. He's just saying it in a way that will piss protestants off.
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Annihilationism? I didn't think that was a Catholic teaching.
 
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golfballs said:
Annihilationism? I didn't think that was a Catholic teaching.
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It was Augustine's view, fifteen hundred years ago. The Church considers him as a doctor of the church.

Augustine's position is that evil doesn't exist. As such, there can be no place that is not good. Thus, there is no hell, if hell is the pure absence of good. Thus, at worst, there's purgatory. Those souls not worthy of purgatory are simply destroyed.
 
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Pope dropping firecrackers in the toilet and watching the chaos from high atop his pope tower, chortling with glee.

If there is currently no such thing as the Pope tower, I believe there should be.
 
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