Pope says evolution is a real thing

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LouderVol said:
exactly Rome is just a place, where Peter is believed to have ended up, and just to throw more wood on the fire it is also where Paul ended up too.

The papacy has a history in the Bible, it just wasn't a formal thing, probably because it was illegal to be Christian at the time. It takes a while to get it going and formalized.

as much as you hate on the CC for not being based in the Bible and us not supposed to trust to a group, it also says not to trust individuals as well. and that is what pretty much every other sect of Christianity is. One man shows, who get to pick and choose what they feed the group. I think it is much more trustworthy for one source to tell millions the same thing than to have hundreds of thousands of people saying hundreds of thousands different things to millions of people. at least the Catholic Church has oversight.

seems defensive there at the end I will admit, but I too have enjoyed this conversation. reading the Bible is never a bad thing.
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Re: "as much as you hate on the CC for not being based in the Bible"

I certainly don't hate on the CC, not in general nor in this thread -- I was merely responding to certain points being made in the discussion and providing evidence from a different viewpoint (the "red" highlighting/emphasis for the word p o p e is not mine/didn't come from my keyboard, which perhaps is what you're referring to).
 
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The catholic church has lost its way.

The number one goal of the catholic church is money. It is the reason for the great out reach to the millions of Illegal Aliens. It is also why they are now reaching out to the homo community.

The catholic church is conforming to the world, which is a direct contradiction of the holy scriptures.
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
The catholic church has lost its way.

The number one goal of the catholic church is money. It is the reason for the great out reach to the millions of Illegal Aliens. It is also why they are now reaching out to the homo community.

The catholic church is conforming to the world, which is a direct contradiction of the holy scriptures.
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Illegal Aliens? I assume you mean Latino's?

They're already Catholic, Einstein - so yeah, way to call it.

It's hilarious to watch the Protestants look down their nose at Catholics (and vice versa) - as if they hold some moral superiority. You wonder why non believers look at you both (and all of the others) and shake our heads. The irony here is that you're beating up the Catholics "for reaching out". Baptist Jesus will apparently go old testament on anyone who is inclusive & tolerant.

Really, what dafu*k is the matter with you people?
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
The catholic church has lost its way.

The number one goal of the catholic church is money. It is the reason for the great out reach to the millions of Illegal Aliens. It is also why they are now reaching out to the homo community.

The catholic church is conforming to the world, which is a direct contradiction of the holy scriptures.
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Hey buddy. They were catholic before they crossed the border. Homo community? They aren't performing gay marriages. Conforming to the world? Sorry that people want the Eucharist, Jesus did say that it was his body and blood and to do it in his memory
 
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Septic said:
Illegal Aliens? I assume you mean Latino's?

They're already Catholic, Einstein - so yeah, way to call it.

It's hilarious to watch the Protestants look down their nose at Catholics (and vice versa) - as if they hold some moral superiority. You wonder why non believers look at you both (and all of the others) and shake our heads. The irony here is that you're beating up the Catholics "for reaching out". Baptist Jesus will apparently go old testament on anyone who is inclusive & tolerant.

Really, what dafu*k is the matter with you people?
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Looking down their nose is not the correct wording. We disagree on dogma. We do have some heated discussions concerning our beliefs but when this life is over those that have been saved will enjoy entering the pearly gates regardless of which sect of Christianity we adhere to.
 
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Gramps said:
Looking down their nose is not the correct wording. We disagree on dogma. We do have some heated discussions concerning our beliefs but when this life is over those that have been saved will enjoy entering the pearly gates regardless of which sect of Christianity we adhere to.
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amen brotha. have a beer on me, unless you are a real Baptist.
 
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UT-Rex said:
Re: "as much as you hate on the CC for not being based in the Bible"

I certainly don't hate on the CC, not in general nor in this thread -- I was merely responding to certain points being made in the discussion and providing evidence from a different viewpoint (the "red" highlighting/emphasis for the word p o p e is not mine/didn't come from my keyboard, which perhaps is what you're referring to).
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got a little carried away on my rant, nothing personal of course, i was just going through the thread and knocking posts down, or trying to. :)
 
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Gramps said:
Looking down their nose is not the correct wording. We disagree on dogma. We do have some heated discussions concerning our beliefs but when this life is over those that have been saved will enjoy entering the pearly gates regardless of which sect of Christianity we adhere to.
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Well, dogma is the basis for the fundamental truths of the ideology. One of you is right and one is wrong, how can your beliefs be so different but also both be saved?

If both can be saved despite one being wrong, wouldn't that render dogma moot /irrelevant? Put differently, if everyone believes generally that Jesus was a prophet, despite sharp differences is interpretation of the bible - is that good enough to be saved and get to heaven?
 
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volfanhill said:
Pope Francis declares evolution and Big Bang theory are right and God isn't 'a magician with a magic wand' - Europe - World - The Independent

About time
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Unfortunately, Francis mentions nothing about the "6th" Day as the day God created man (or of Days 1-5, or Days 1-7 -- NOTHING of this does he reference, as reported in article). Not mentioning this is to deviate from truth, and that's what gets men to start thinking and pondering their own ways.

More importantly, the Bible says all animals, including apes, were created on day 5, and man on day 6, yet evolution posits man evolved from ape, and now Francis is indirectly giving his support to this theory -- in essence, Francis is not standing up for Biblical truth.

Pharoah used "magic" to simulate the frogs of the 10 plagues (Ex 8:7). Jannes and Jambres of 2 Tim 3:8 are said to have (magical) powers from Satan. Correct, God did not use "magic wand," rather "and on Day 6, God created man."

Regardless of what Francis was attempting to say, the theory of evolution is in stark contrast to the Biblical story of creation. Biblical fact is God made man in 1 day.

The Islamic religion claims Jesus was not crucified, and now a Christian religion is claiming that creation is evolution / that evolution is creation. We don't need to deviate from Biblical truth, which is Jesus was crucified and God created man on Day 6 (whereby man could not have evolved from ANY animal, either 1 day later or over the course of any millennia).
 
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UT-Rex said:
Francis mentions nothing about the "6th" Day as the day God created humans (or of Days 1-5, or Days 1-7 -- NOTHING of this does he reference, as reported in article). Not mentioning this is to deviate from truth, and that's what gets men to start thinking and pondering their own ways.

Pharoah used "magic" to simulate the frogs of the 10 plagues (Ex 8:7). Jannes and Jambres of 2 Tim 3:8 are said to have (magical) powers from Satan.

Regardless of what Francis was attempting to say, the theory of evolution is in stark contrast to the Biblical story of creation. Biblical fact is God made man in 1 day, and if we don't hold to that, then men will start writing books of knowledge stating that Jesus was not crucified.

There are already Islamic religions claiming Jesus was not crucified, now there are Christian religions not claiming that God created man on Day 6 -- each seems like the same type of (false) claim to me, since neither is giving due credit according to the words of the Bible, but rather by some wisdom of men.
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it wasn't until the 4th day that God created the sun, the very thing we base our days on, and always have. get over it the Creation story isn't 100% correct but its scary close for it to just be some story. God inspired the writers and then they played several thousand years of the telegraph game until it got written down.

evolution basically says what the Bible says, it just uses scientific words instead of spiritual ones. Humans are the apex of evolution, the last species to truly form, exactly what the Bible says. really about the only discrepancy is that there were birds in the air before creatures on the land.
 
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Septic said:
Well, dogma is the basis for the fundamental truths of the ideology. One of you is right and one is wrong, how can your beliefs be so different but also both be saved?

If both can be saved despite one being wrong, wouldn't that render dogma moot /irrelevant? Put differently, if everyone believes generally that Jesus was a prophet, despite sharp differences is interpretation of the bible - is that good enough to be saved and get to heaven?
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Something that seems lost in the difference sect debate (but the everyone is still going to heaven conclusion).

There are plenty of Christians that believe most other "Christians" aren't going to make it.
 
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its an argument of does religion matter more than faith & a good life. I think most here would say no, that religion doesn't trump faith.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
Something that seems lost in the difference sect debate (but the everyone is still going to heaven conclusion).

There are plenty of Christians that believe most other "Christians" aren't going to make it.
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The intellectual gymnastics one must go through to internally reconcile this is mind boggling.
 
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LouderVol said:
its an argument of does religion matter more than faith & a good life. I think most here would say no, that religion doesn't trump faith.
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That's a bit of a cop out. I'm sure it feels good to want to believe that, but strictly speaking - my understanding is that you're either right, or you may as well be on the moon with regards to salvation. Are the Westboro folks going to be in line with you in front of St Peter? I don't think anyone could deny that they are full of faith.

Unfortunately I would agree that most would say that religion doesn't trump faith until their religions dogma is being questioned.
 
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Septic said:
That's a bit of a cop out. I'm sure it feels good to want to believe that, but strictly speaking - my understanding is that you're either right, or you may as well be on the moon with regards to salvation. Are the Westboro folks going to be in line with you in front of St Peter? I don't think anyone could deny that they are full of faith.

Unfortunately I would agree that most would say that religion doesn't trump faith until their religions dogma is being questioned.
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i have no idea who will be in line with me, that's up to God.

i don't think anyone here said because I am Catholic I am going to hell and I didn't say because they aren't Catholic they are going to hell. of course there are the vocal minorities that make everyone look bad, but ultimately our goal (should be) to make it to heaven and help others make it there. our debate here I believe just helped everyone involved as it all got us reading the Bible and thinking about our faith.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
Something that seems lost in the difference sect debate (but the everyone is still going to heaven conclusion).

There are plenty of Christians that believe most other "Christians" aren't going to make it.
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Everyone that has received salvation through Jesus Christ is going to heaven, per the Bible. It does not matter what sect of Christianity one is, the key to heaven is salvation.
 
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LouderVol said:
i have no idea who will be in line with me, that's up to God.

i don't think anyone here said because I am Catholic I am going to hell and I didn't say because they aren't Catholic they are going to hell. of course there are the vocal minorities that make everyone look bad, but ultimately our goal (should be) to make it to heaven and help others make it there. our debate here I believe just helped everyone involved as it all got us reading the Bible and thinking about our faith.
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Well said :rock:
 
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Gramps said:
Everyone that has received salvation through Jesus Christ is going to heaven, per the Bible. It does not matter what sect of Christianity one is, the key to heaven is salvation.
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I don't want to be a part of any club that will let the Phelps clan join.
 
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Gramps said:
Everyone that has received salvation through Jesus Christ is going to heaven, per the Bible. It does not matter what sect of Christianity one is, the key to heaven is salvation.
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Yep... it's amazing how this is viewed as "intellectual gymnastics" by some and quite obvious to others. Perhaps those who can't grasp the concept are just lacking in intellect themselves.
 
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LouderVol said:
i have no idea who will be in line with me, that's up to God.

i don't think anyone here said because I am Catholic I am going to hell and I didn't say because they aren't Catholic they are going to hell. of course there are the vocal minorities that make everyone look bad, but ultimately our goal (should be) to make it to heaven and help others make it there. our debate here I believe just helped everyone involved as it all got us reading the Bible and thinking about our faith.
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Oh, they may not say it like that. But you literally just had one guy on here lambasting catholicism for selling out to illegal aliens and gays for cash. That just happened.

It's just interesting to me to watch the tip toeing around the fundamental differences in dogma and belief in favor of the feel good "we're all going to heaven" end game.
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
Yep... it's amazing how this is viewed as "intellectual gymnastics" by some and quite obvious to others. Perhaps those who can't grasp the concept are just lacking in intellect themselves.
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Based on this line of "salvation" and "faith" reasoning you're clearly OK with gods choice to allow Fred Phelps, Shirley Roper and their minions to share gods kingdom with you.

Interesting. And here I thought that "real" christians wanted to distance themselves from them. Turns out, you're all saved through faith, all part of the club. I guess you don't participate in intellectual gymnastics after all - one size does apparently fit all. Please accept my apology.
 
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Septic said:
Oh, they may not say it like that. But you literally just had one guy on here lambasting catholicism for selling out to illegal aliens and gays for cash. That just happened.

It's just interesting to me to watch the tip toeing around the fundamental differences in dogma and belief in favor of the feel good "we're all going to heaven" end game.
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he was attacking the institution, not necessarily the faith, for supporting its members, i don't think he realized they were Catholics in Mexico/wherever they came from too.

and as I said there is always going to be somebody trying to rile up the natives.

the catholic church makes an easy target because everyone knows what it stands for, unlike the Baskin Robbins Baptists (or any other sect) with their 52 flavors. said mostly in jest there.
 
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