Pope denounces trickle down economics

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Gramps said:
What about during the W years? There was no ACA.
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We were at a hair above what is considered full employment during the Bush years..

You also have to consider most poor people are poor because of their own actions. I have a perfect example:

Coworkers brother in law makes minimum wage and lives with his sister in law. He gets a car loan for 22,000 somehow and blows it on a piece of sh!t 2007 Mercedes C-class. Of course it is used and has no warranty and isn't certified pre-owned (due to age). After purchasing realizes that the premium gas required to fill it twice a month costs more than he makes in a week. Then parts start failing and their costs are more than he makes in a month. Eventually he gets to the point where he has zero money and can't even make his car payments.

He could have just bought a cheap ass KIA, had a 100,000 mile warranty..and actually been able to afford gas and save money. But instead he wanted to be a "baller" (2007 C class is balling??) and reaped what he sowed. He is a typical person complaining about the rich getting richer and the poor getting more poor.

The mentality that everyone deserves something is also a problem in this country. Everyone deserves one thing..opportunity. That is it. Do with it as you wish and reap the consequences of your action or inaction.
 
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Obsessed said:
Seriously gramps?

Come on now.

Number of people of gvmt assistance under W compared to O?

It's O's policy's that are compounding the issue.
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Yes Ob.

I am talking the number of jobs being lost per month during W.
 
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KB5252 said:
Pope's angle here is troublesome. Let us not forget that his number 1 job is to secure his faith's future which is in decline and has been for years. Of course he would spew some idiocy about trickle down being to blame. Government is the problem, spending at a rate that isn't sustainable in the best economic climate inspires no faith in the private sector. Couple that with hostility around the globe and a CIC demonizing the job creators it's not very difficult to understand why so many continue to suffer.

It's like kicking a dog in the rear end repeatedly and not understanding why that dog stopped retrieving the bones you threw it.
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Is that his number one job? Seems to me that Pope Francis cares very little about evangelization, but cares greatly about providing relief to the poor (and, by relief, I mean material relief of their suffering).
 
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therealUT said:
Is that his number one job? Seems to me that Pope Francis cares very little about evangelization, but cares greatly about providing relief to the poor (and, by relief, I mean material relief of their suffering).
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Like a Neutron bomb?
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
We were at a hair above what is considered full employment during the Bush years.. .
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This is full employment ?


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Gramps said:
Yes Ob.

I am talking the number of jobs being lost per month during W.
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Yep that's fair to compare his last 8-10 months in office to Obama's last 5?

I'm beginning to think that GW might have plowed 'ol Granny at one time to bring out all of this pettiness in you.
 
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hog88 said:
Yep that's fair to compare his last 8-10 months in office to Obama's last 5?

I'm beginning to think that GW might have plowed 'ol Granny at one time to bring out all of this pettiness in you.
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You don't like facts do you Hog?

Jobs stared being lost in 2007. Bush did not leave office til 1/20/2009.
You call that 8-10 months?
 
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Gramps said:
This is full employment ?


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there was something going on called the housing crash that wasn't tied to any policy of W's, he just happened to be President when it happened.

Obama's policies and the legislation passed while democrats had control of both houses of congress may not have made things any worse, but they've damn sure not made them better.
 
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MG1968 said:
there was something going on called the housing crash that wasn't tied to any policy of W's, he just happened to be President when it happened.

Obama's policies and the legislation passed while democrats had control of both houses of congress may not have made things any worse, but they've damn sure not made them better.
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It was more than the housing bubble.

O and W both sux. One is as bad as the other imo.

It was more than the housing bubble
 
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Gramps said:
It was more than the housing bubble.

O and W both sux. One is as bad as the other imo.

It was more than the housing bubble
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O is ten times worse than Bush, Bush at least understands that the US energy sector is a job creator and not the enemy of the planet
 
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therealUT said:
Is that his number one job? Seems to me that Pope Francis cares very little about evangelization, but cares greatly about providing relief to the poor (and, by relief, I mean material relief of their suffering).
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I truly believe the organization is his number 1 priority. Just like every Church leader. A church's power is derived from the strength of the organization. When push comes to shove, the organization will get resources before charities.
 
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rjd970 said:
I truly believe the organization is his number 1 priority. Just like every Church leader. A church's power is derived from the strength of the organization. When push comes to shove, the organization will get resources before charities.
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Certainly a reasonable cynical view. But, it is also reasonable to read section 886 of the Catechism as expressing the number one priority of bishops (of which the Pope is one) as '...contributing to the welfare of the whole mystical body...extending it especially to the poor..." as asserting the social justice mission of the church.

History certainly leads us to believe otherwise, but the Church doesn't profess that men, even clerics, are not and cannot be corrupted. As of this moment, Pope Francis has given me reason to believe that he is focused, primarily, on the social justice mission; and, since he is pissing off some hardline Catholics in the process (he basically said, stop worrying about abortion, homosexuality, and atheists to individuals who had spent a lifetime worrying about those things), I think it is reasonable to think that he's not so concerned with the size of the flock, so long as the flock works in ways that relieve world suffering.
 
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TN Ribs said:
Another myth that has been debunked. Part time workers as a share of full time workers has actually gone down in recent months.
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Lol...show me that reputable link . With the advent of the unaffordable care act employers have scaled back hours .
 
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