Poor Defense, Caldwell failed, keep Pat Summitt

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First and foremost I think there should be a place on this team as long as Pat wants it. Secondly, Caldwell coaching, I understand Britney Griner is hard to stop inside, but Sims , I think that was the girl who kept throwing up the threes uncontested, shows me Caldwell out of her league. What Tennessee has to have is a recruiter. Niki Caldwell would be such a better fit when the time comes to have a new head coach.
 
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utfantilidie said:
First and foremost I think there should be a place on this team as long as Pat wants it. Secondly, Caldwell coaching, I understand Britney Griner is hard to stop inside, but Sims , I think that was the girl who kept throwing up the threes uncontested, shows me Caldwell out of her league. What Tennessee has to have is a recruiter. Niki Caldwell would be such a better fit when the time comes to have a new head coach.
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Not sure what you mean when you say Caldwell is out of her league yet Nikki Caldwell is a better fit. Who is out of her league?
 
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Maybe you mean Warlick...and maybe I should give as little attention to your post as you apparently did. Pat is the coach until she decides otherwise. Our loss to Baylor had less to do with Warlick and more to do with the better team winning yesterday. Hate it for the seniors.
 
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OP, re-think what you wrote. I'm pretty sure you mean Warlick. Additionally, this group of seniors never made a final four; so, I don't feel it's completely fair to blame 100% of this on Warlick, when of those 4 years that these girls were in school, Pat was coaching them. Maybe this group simply isn't what we've had in the past. Just another angle to take it.
 
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Of course everyone wants Pat coaching this team if she is able but if you wanna place blame, blame that he she from Baylor. We didnt have the players that could stop him, err uhh...her.
 
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VolMaster14 said:
Of course everyone wants Pat coaching this team if she is able but if you wanna place blame, blame that he she from Baylor. We didnt have the players that could stop him, err uhh...her.
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IMO, no one does, at least not proven yet. Also, Candace may still hold the dunk record, but of the dunks that Mr. Griner has thrown down--a few of those have been mildly authoritative. I'm hoping to see Baylor win it all, honestly, and against UConn, naturally. :) I'm more concerned about Geno being denied another championship than I am about seeing Baylor succeed.
 
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There were some mind-numbing plays defensively last night when our girls would needlessly leave someone open for a 3. I rewound one play back to see what the heck happened, and our guard left one shooter to double the shooter with the ball, and the result was the same as it had been all night. It wasn't just a case of collapsing on the ringer they had at center. It was bad rotation.
 
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Nikki Caldwell came back to coach for Pat for one game yesterday. You guys didn't see her on the sideline? Geez
 
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utfantilidie said:
First and foremost I think there should be a place on this team as long as Pat wants it. Secondly, Caldwell coaching, I understand Britney Griner is hard to stop inside, but Sims , I think that was the girl who kept throwing up the threes uncontested, shows me Caldwell out of her league. What Tennessee has to have is a recruiter. Niki Caldwell would be such a better fit when the time comes to have a new head coach.
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There is, it will be her decision to make.

If she feels like the focus is on her (and her health) and that is a distraction to the program she will step down for the good of the program.

That said, I think she steps down.
 
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ukvols said:
There were some mind-numbing plays defensively last night when our girls would needlessly leave someone open for a 3. I rewound one play back to see what the heck happened, and our guard left one shooter to double the shooter with the ball, and the result was the same as it had been all night. It wasn't just a case of collapsing on the ringer they had at center. It was bad rotation.
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It's hard to rotate on a zone defense when 2-3 girls bracket that beast Griner at all times. If Griner doesn't have the ball, she's still requiring 2 defenders. That leaves 3 girls to defend the ball handler and the remaining 3 wings. That's a numbers game that you just can't win if the other team hits perimeter shots. When they shoot the 3 the way they did last night, Baylor is unbeatable. The better team won last night, and is likely on their way to 40-0.

Still a good Lady Vols season. They fought through some real adversity. When you are disappointed by Elite 8 runs, it's a good place to be. We will miss that huge crop of seniors next year.
 
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I think coaching can take some blame in this one. No timeouts to stop Baylor's runs. Mulkey used her timouts to break our runs when we came roaring back in the second half. Holly should have played man and put Kamiko on Sims early on and shut that stuff down before she got going. Teams worry so much about Griner that they let the rest of the team beat them. The tale of the tape on this game was the same as the first. Poor shooting from the outside spelled doom for this team.
 
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Orange Maniac said:
I think coaching can take some blame in this one. No timeouts to stop Baylor's runs. Mulkey used her timouts to break our runs when we came roaring back in the second half. Holly should have played man and put Kamiko on Sims early on and shut that stuff down before she got going. Teams worry so much about Griner that they let the rest of the team beat them. The tale of the tape on this game was the same as the first. Poor shooting from the outside spelled doom for this team.
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Griner was 1 block short of a triple double despite being double teamed the whole game. What do you think happens if we don't spend half of our defense on her?

As for the timeouts, the only way we are stopping those runs is by sneaking Jarnell in the game with a wig. The Lady Vols got beat by a (far) superior team. Same could be said for Baylor's other 37 victories.
 
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Holly was out coached last night. Why was Simmons on the bench so much. Why did Burdick get in only at the end. Spani has not been a factor most of the season and Harrison is a fouling machine. Williams sat most of the game while Bass played too many minutes. Overall the rotation was horrible. This was not the only game this has happened.
Maybe I'm missing something
 
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boxbuddy said:
Holly was out coached last night. Why was Simmons on the bench so much. Why did Burdick get in only at the end. Spani has not been a factor most of the season and Harrison is a fouling machine. Williams sat most of the game while Bass played too many minutes. Overall the rotation was horrible. This was not the only game this has happened.
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I watched the game. Coach K himself couldn't have coached a Lady Vol victory last night. I'm actually impressed that the team showed a lot of fight and kept making just enough runs to stay within striking distance. In the end, Baylor is just that freaking good. I don't know why so many on here don't seem to get that.
 
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Call me sentimental but Vicki Baugh, a senior who has given her all for Tennessee basketball, was relegated to the bench for most/much of the second half, especially when the game was out of hand, should have been playing when the buzzer sounded. She earned the right to play more minutes. She looked disheartened on the bench and I think the coach missed the call on that one.
 
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boxbuddy said:
Holly was out coached last night. Why was Simmons on the bench so much. Why did Burdick get in only at the end. Spani has not been a factor most of the season and Harrison is a fouling machine. Williams sat most of the game while Bass played too many minutes. Overall the rotation was horrible. This was not the only game this has happened.
Maybe I'm missing something
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Simmons was on the bench cause she plays out of control and her shot selection is horrible.
 
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mjw2e said:
Maybe you mean Warlick...and maybe I should give as little attention to your post as you apparently did. Pat is the coach until she decides otherwise. Our loss to Baylor had less to do with Warlick and more to do with the better team winning yesterday. Hate it for the seniors.
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And that should tell you it's time for Pat to retire. The program is barely a top ten program right now. In just a few short years, we've gone from being a consistent top 2 or3 program to one that's lucky to be in the top ten. I am certain most of that drop-off is related to Pat's disease. If someone is advising her to stick around for another year, they need to have their ass kicked.
 
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UTFanForLife said:
Simmons was on the bench cause she plays out of control and her shot selection is horrible.
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Yet she was by far the best player on our team in the tourney averaging 18 a game and had just come off a 22 point game on 50% shooting.

Yep. No clue what she's doing.
 
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2ironVol said:
And that should tell you it's time for Pat to retire. The program is barely a top ten program right now. In just a few short years, we've gone from being a consistent top 2 or3 program to one that's lucky to be in the top ten. I am certain most of that drop-off is related to Pat's disease. If someone is advising her to stick around for another year, they need to have their ass kicked.
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I don't think you follow womens ball much. Its decided by few elite players every year. Baylor has griner. Before it was uconn with maya moore. Before that we had candace. Its not like the mens game. One superior girl can and will carry teams as long as they have average/decent players around them. Griner is surrounded by excellent players. When he/she leaves, see how goood baylor is.
 
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dlw4n said:
It's hard to rotate on a zone defense when 2-3 girls bracket that beast Griner at all times. If Griner doesn't have the ball, she's still requiring 2 defenders. That leaves 3 girls to defend the ball handler and the remaining 3 wings. That's a numbers game that you just can't win if the other team hits perimeter shots. When they shoot the 3 the way they did last night, Baylor is unbeatable. The better team won last night, and is likely on their way to 40-0.

Still a good Lady Vols season. They fought through some real adversity. When you are disappointed by Elite 8 runs, it's a good place to be. We will miss that huge crop of seniors next year.
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Daloth said:
I don't think you follow womens ball much. Its decided by few elite players every year. Baylor has griner. Before it was uconn with maya moore. Before that we had candace. Its not like the mens game. One superior girl can and will carry teams as long as they have average/decent players around them. Griner is surrounded by excellent players. When he/she leaves, see how goood baylor is.
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Anyone slamming on women are douches ! They are playing mens sports and are very good,keep in mind one on one no one in vn could hang with a lady vol!
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possumslayer said:
Anyone slamming on women are douches ! They are playing mens sports and are very good,keep in mind one on one no one in vn could hang with a lady vol!
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I wouldn't go that far. Athletically, an above average or great high school male will beat the hell out of an elite college woman 9/10 times.

To give a bit of an idea. When i was in 8th grade we had 6 seniors and 4 juniors on our girls high school team, by the end of it they reached the state semi-finals and lost two games all year. Our season ended earlier (obviously) so their coach took us 5 8th graders and had us run a game against the high school girls team because our defense (a 2-2-1 full court press) was exactly what the 2nd best team in the division ran, so we would be good practice.

In the first quarter we caused seven turnovers before they even crossed half court, and we were up by twenty points. 13-14 year old guys (none of us good enough to play ball anywhere) against 17-19 year old girls (four all division and two all state players, and those two played college ball).

Now, Candance, Griner, etc. Yes, those could. Those are transcendent players though. The ones who are just elite? nah.
 
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