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#151
#151
BigOrangePassion1 said:
No but you can watch the game film on that too. Despite the fact that our defense underachieved, as a whole it was still better than most SEC defenses. What 20th in the nation?
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Well Poole hasn't been running against the defense from last year. As they replace EB, Dan, Rogan, McCoy, and Reviez recovers from his knee injury, the spring D is nothing to write home about.
 
#152
#152
SGMVols said:
Yeah, having the 17th best defense in the country with our 11th string LBs and nonexistent DT depth was a real underachievement.
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Ohh depth. Good thing the best DT in the conference took most of the snaps at DT. Id say that going from the 3rd ranked defense in the country to 17 with a lot of the same players was an underachievement
 
#153
#153
BigOrangePassion1 said:
Ohh depth. Good thing the best DT in the conference took most of the snaps at DT. Id say that going from the 3rd ranked defense in the country to 17 with a lot of the same players was an underachievement
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That 3rd ranked defense from '08 couldn't have had anything to do with the fact that 6 of our 12 opponents were in the bottom 20 in the nation in total offense.
 
#155
#155
buckeyevol23 said:
Yeah, Hardesty was a 5th yr player who had a great season behind the worst OL I've seen at UT and got drafted fairly high. It's completely reasonable to expect a true freshman to come in and play near his level.
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Yes. If he's the #1 player in the country it is.

Brown didn't play against great competition in HS... and that was a topic here at the time of his recruitment. He could just out-athlete everyone. His RB skills were not polished nor challenged by the guys he played against.

I'm sorry you've bought in... but he hasn't shown me enough nor has Poole to declare them great RB's.
 
#156
#156
Well, if you count it, Hardesty went for 160 in the WKU game...haha

Also 170 against Vandy and 180 against Kentucky
 
#157
#157
sjt18 said:
Dooley has never said that Brown would start or was better than Poole. He has been highly complimentary of Poole.

Kiffin had an agenda. Poole didn't play into it very well. Brown did. Brown may be better but CLK isn't an unbiased party. He had a lot vested in BB's success as a Freshman.
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They both think highly of the kid. Kiffin was arrogant, but he knew that winning was the only thing that ultimately mattered. He was going to play the players that gave him the best opportunity to do that.

We've had this argument already, but I still consider "a lead candidate" to mean something. Brown is either #1 by himself or #1a with someone like Poole as #1b. Regardless, Dooley thinks highly of him.
 
#158
#158
UT's D did not underachieve last year. By seasons end, Monte was trying to run Daytona with one of those cheap 100 mile spare tires. They very literally ran out of LB's. Many players played through when they would have sat on a team with better depth. Wes Brown could barely even walk.

No need to get ridiculous.
 
#159
#159
sjt18 said:
Yes. If he's the #1 player in the country it is.

Brown didn't play against great competition in HS... and that was a topic here at the time of his recruitment. He could just out-athlete everyone. His RB skills were not polished nor challenged by the guys he played against.

I'm sorry you've bought in... but he hasn't shown me enough nor has Poole to declare them great RB's.
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Yeah, because that's exactly what I've been saying. By saying Brown hasn't yet played at the high level I think he's capable of, that means I'm declaring him a great RB.
 
#160
#160
Volfan8282 said:
They both think highly of the kid. Kiffin was arrogant, but he knew that winning was the only thing that ultimately mattered. He was going to play the players that gave him the best opportunity to do that.
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Yes winning was "ultimately" what mattered but you can either buy that he made some investments last year that cost them games or you can say his ignorance costs them games... I don't think he's ignorant.

It wasn't about winning every possible game last year... it was about getting back to championship level as quickly as possible. If it was all about last year, he wouldn't have run some of those guys off. He probably would have run a slightly different O. He would have took his shots at UF and risked a wider loss margin. He would have made many decisions different.

Right or wrong, he was focused on making an impression on recruits. BB vs TP was part of that.

We've had this argument already, but I still consider "a lead candidate" to mean something. Brown is either #1 by himself or #1a with someone like Poole as #1b. Regardless, Dooley thinks highly of him.
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Then you are simply reading your bias into it. "A" candidate is someone who could fill the roll... It certainly doesn't imply anything like he's "1a". He's just another guy who could be #1.
 
#161
#161
buckeyevol23 said:
Yeah, because that's exactly what I've been saying. By saying Brown hasn't yet played at the high level I think he's capable of, that means I'm declaring him a great RB.
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OK. Sorry if I confused your posts with some of the others.
 
#162
#162
sjt18 said:
OK. Sorry if I confused your posts with some of the others.
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That's fine. I understand if people weren't impressed with Bryce last year but I felt he did alright considering the adjustment he had to make, injuries, backing up MH, and weak OL. I think if he stays he could end up being a great back at some point while others are already giving up on him.
 
#163
#163
sjt18 said:
Yes winning was "ultimately" what mattered but you can either buy that he made some investments last year that cost them games or you can say his ignorance costs them games... I don't think he's ignorant.

It wasn't about winning every possible game last year... it was about getting back to championship level as quickly as possible. If it was all about last year, he wouldn't have run some of those guys off. He probably would have run a slightly different O. He would have took his shots at UF and risked a wider loss margin. He would have made many decisions different.

Right or wrong, he was focused on making an impression on recruits. BB vs TP was part of that.



Then you are simply reading your bias into it. "A" candidate is someone who could fill the roll... It certainly doesn't imply anything like he's "1a". He's just another guy who could be #1.
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You conveniently continue to leave out the word "lead." I'm not saying it necessarily singles him out as the only possible option to start if he came back. But, you don't call every RB "a lead candidate" ... that wouldn't make any sense.

I think Kiffin had an agenda as well. But, I don't think it involved not playing the players that would help him win. What games are you referring to that he cost us?

Auburn and UCLA were on Crompton. Ole Miss was just a game that we were never in. Alabama, Florida, and VT were just clearly better teams.
 
#164
#164
Does anyone on here think Oku is better than Poole? Because according to the depth chart last year, he was.

Oku: 23 carries

Poole: 10 carries
 
#165
#165
sjt18 said:
I have parsed his stats enough to have irritated some posters here. You combine some inflating games here with some poor performances:

Game- Carries/Yards/YPC

UF- 8/21/2.63
Aub- 3/14/4.67
Bama- 11/35/3.18
USC- 9/60/6.67 (one run for 37 yards, 8 for 23)
Ole Miss- 6/34/5.67 (most of those yards came in the 4the qtr after Ole Miss started subbing on D and playing softer)

UGA isn't an important game? 9/21/2.33

UCLA? 33/34/3.09

He even avg'd 3 ypc and 2.67 respectively vs Vandy and UK.

Again a very selective parsing of the stats. MH played the vast majority of the competitive downs in those games. He was always in on critical plays.

UF- 20/96/4.80
Aub- 21/90/4.29
Bama- 18/48/2.67
USC- 23/121/5.26
Ole Miss- 14/55/3.93
UGA- 20/97/4.85
UCLA- 26/89/3.62
VU- 32/171/5.34
UK- 39/179/4.59
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Hmm.. That is interesting..
 
#166
#166
he was awesome in the orange and white game. We're going to have a sweet running game with or without bb.
 
#167
#167
RhodeIslandVol said:
I think back to a guy like Gerald Riggs who rushed for a 1000, but still was like, eh. Watched him tiptoe through holes. Correct me if I'm wrong, but we haven't had a back have a truly breakout game since Arian Foster ran all over Vandy in a losing effort.
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Did you skip last season? Montario went off.
 
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#168
#168
TNinSC said:
he was awesome in the orange and white game. We're going to have a sweet running game with or without bb.
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The defense he ran against had some guys who will never see the field this year. I take that with a grain of salt.
 
#169
#169
Volfan8282 said:
They both think highly of the kid. Kiffin was arrogant, but he knew that winning was the only thing that ultimately mattered. He was going to play the players that gave him the best opportunity to do that.

We've had this argument already, but I still consider "a lead candidate" to mean something. Brown is either #1 by himself or #1a with someone like Poole as #1b. Regardless, Dooley thinks highly of him.
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I'm sorry, but I have to disagree.. I don't think Kiffen played to win every game.. I think he wanted to win, so don't get me wrong.. I think he played to recruit.. An example woul be the end of the UF game... He basically slowed the game down even though we were behind.. I think one of the mail lines a coach uses is "We are so close to getting over the hump.. All we need now is you and we can take it to tghe next level".. Of course there were some good game too... Like the Bama game we were so close to winning it.. Of course you have to assume we would haver hit the filed goal (which may be a stretch) if Mt. Cody wouldn't have blocked it.. I don't even want to talk about the VT game.. We simply got outcoach in that game.. At least IMO..
 
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#172
#172
sjt18 said:
Thank goodness for the magic of the internet...

Because you keep saying this... I went back and checked. Your statement is absolutely, positively false.

Anyone who cares to see which one of us is telling the truth can watch the video for free at "SEC Digital Network".
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OK, it was a linebacker that caught him. You sure showed me.
 
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