political question about the KKK

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I weep for the state of education in this country, especially about history.

This is just appalling.
 
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Billy Costigan said:
I'm reading a little about the KKK and there is something I don't understand. It says they are a far right wing organization but it also says one of their main targets of terrorism was republicans. This doesn't make sense. Does it? Also it says they didn't like Catholics, why in the world didn't they like Catholics?

Thanks for any good input. Maybe someone can clear this up or explain it. It just doesn't make much since to me but I'm interested in it.

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The KKK has its roots in the Civil War and the south's treatment during Reconstruction. Some believe that Lincoln's more conciliatory approach would have prevented many things like the KKK.

The Civil War was fought almost as much between the Dems and GOP as between the north and south. State's rights Dems from the north, sometimes fought for the south. Unionists in the south, fought for the north.

Sidenote: the mountains of WNC and ETn were greatly divided. There were large pockets of union sympathizers. For instance, out of the 13 counties in western NC where I grew up, 11 were 90% Dem registration as late as 20 years ago. Two were 90% Republican. The two GOP counties were union sympathizing during the Civil War.

The GOP was seen as not only the party that ended slavery and defeated the south but also as the party of Reconstruction era abuses. Property was seized with little or no justification. Crimes against former confederates were overlooked. "Carpetbaggers" descended like locusts and cheated people. Uneducated blacks were either elected or appointed to political office where unionists used them as puppets to humiliate southerners.

Alot of the angst was trumped up. Some of it was not. IIRC, it was popular to use claims of blacks going unpunished for the rapes of white women to terrorize black people. Same thing with unresolved murders, theft, etc.
 
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RespectTradition said:
KKK was an all protestant group. They hated all other religious groups. Jews, Muslims, Catholics, etc.
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They hated Jews based on a fairly popular idea of the time that Jews were Christ killers. I am not aware of Muslims being relevant at the time in the US.

They were reactionaries. They feared things that were "different"... like the mass of Catholic European immigrants that arrived around the turn of the 20th century. They saw and read about the problems northern cities were having... and resisted them moving in.
 
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Billy Costigan said:
what? I'm not gonna rub it in to him I'm just gonna tell him I heard MLK was a republican. He probably won't believe me anyways. He doesn't diss them real bad but he does a little. He is a huge Obama fan.
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That probably wouldn't be true. Blacks originally under control or influence of powerful southern whites were taught to vote Dem... however many were Republicans until around the time of FDR. FDR was viewed as a strong civil rights President in the context of his time... which is kind of interesting considering he was a thorough going Progressive. The Progressives of the early 20th century were abject racists... think eugenics, Tuskeegee experiments... Wilson was responsible for segregating the armed forces.
 
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Billy Costigan said:
I'm reading a little about the KKK and there is something I don't understand. It says they are a far right wing organization but it also says one of their main targets of terrorism was republicans. This doesn't make sense. Does it? Also it says they didn't like Catholics, why in the world didn't they like Catholics?

Thanks for any good input. Maybe someone can clear this up or explain it. It just doesn't make much since to me but I'm interested in it.

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I would assume that they despise Republicans because it was the party that destroyed slavery. I think is is inaccurate to call them "far right" as they are not a political movement but an illetigimate fringe group. As far as their dislike of Catholics, not real sure but I think it is because they don't consider them "Christian". Not sure really, they are all nut jobs. They hate everyone.
 
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It is inaccurate to say it was because of slavery. That was a big part but Reconstruction abuses fueled the KKK.
 
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The Klan also represented an unholy alliance between local government officials (most of them Democrats at the time) in the South and confederate soldiers/sympathizers, etc. After the 13th and 14th amendments were passed, it became clear that local officials in the South had no intention of abiding by them.

However, at the time, one could not take action, criminally or civilly, for a violation of rights under the U.S. Constitution. That is, the Bill of Rights and further amendments were not "privately actionable." As a result, in 1871, the Congress passed a civil rights act which provides that a person who violates the rights of another may be sued for damages.

This was done in large part as an effort by the Republicans to "break up" the monopoly of power that the Democrats had in the South at the time. It was as much political gamesmanship between the two parties as it was an earnest effort to champion anyone's rights.

It is a mistake to equate the modern day versions of the two parties with their namesakes 150 years ago. These days, Democrats are generally considered to favor a stronger federal government and Republicans favor greater power in the states, whereas at least theoretically in the middle of the 19th century the roles were reversed.

The point is, the country has at least once before seen a significant issue used as a proxy for political and then actual civil war which was, in reality, a fight between parties as much as between states. Hopefully, some of the rhetoric we've seen lately akin to those sentiments fades or is rebuked from within the party that has suggested it, once again.
 
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Billy Costigan said:
what? I'm not gonna rub it in to him I'm just gonna tell him I heard MLK was a republican. He probably won't believe me anyways. He doesn't diss them real bad but he does a little. He is a huge Obama fan.
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Until Kennedy nearly all African Americans voted almost
exclusively for Republicans.

African Americans helped found the Republican Party,
among most notable was Frederic Douglas.

The Republican president Eisenhower probably did more
for African Americans than any three Democrat presidents.

For one thing he integrated the armed forces.

Woodrow Wilson, a Democrat set back race relations
in this country by a half century almost, for one thing
he segregated all government offices into black and
white sections, if not for him we would have avoided
much of the racial strife we have witnessed.

As for FDR, when he formed farm cooperatives to copy
the Stalin farm collectives, he mandated that whites
lived on some farms and blacks lived on others but not together.







Billy Costigan said:
Ha, for real? I would have never guessed this. One of my good friends is an african american, he is always dissin' republicans. I can't wait to tell him this. Hope you're right.
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After the Kennedy assassination, the Johnson administration
successfully passed the voting rights act, but only
because most Republicans voted for it.

Nearly all Democrats opposed it and the recently deceased
Senator from West Virginia (an unapologetic KKK member
himself) filibustered against it in the Senate.

"I'll have those (n word people) voting Democratic for
the next 200 years."
Lyndon Baines Johnson.

http://www.ihatethemedia.com/20-great-moments-in-liberal-bigotry
 
#38
#38
I had a college history professor so engrained in superficial history he wouldn't believe me when I quoted the fact that Republicans had largely voted for the CRA.

Me: Republicans largely voted for the CRA
JV: Where do you get that from?
Me: Anywhere, check the internet
JV: Don't trust the internet, you can put anything on the internet
Me: You can print anything in a book. Why are you picking on Republicans when a very large percent of Democrats voted against the CRA?
JV: Well, they were southern Democrats, so they were going to vote with the Republicans
Me: But the Republicans voted for the CRA!!!

This went on for like 30 minutes. He must've eventually done some fact checking, because the whole argument was based on a paper I wrote that received a very poor grade. My final grade (A) did not reflect the score I got on that paper.
 
#39
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congrats. I've met many a professor that liked the sound of their own voice.
 
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I've had tons of liberal professors who openly displayed their distaste for Republicans in class and nothing was said. I can only imagine if one was a conservative and speaking against Democrats. I am sure they would be "encouraged" to keep their mouths shut.
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San Diego Vol said:
I've had tons of liberal professors who openly displayed their distaste for Republicans in class and nothing was said. I can only imagine if one was a conservative and speaking against Democrats. I am sure they would be "encouraged" to keep their mouths shut.
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My United States history professor was a conservative and proud to display his views. Hell of a prof as well.
 
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When I was at UF I had a mix. Probably a bit more left than right, but they didn't wear their politics on their sleeves. My main international relations professor was pretty conservative on most issues, save some interest in better relations with Latin America.

Never really much of an issue.
 
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nat101, our professor set one day aside for creationism, he had the christians stand up and he made a poor attempt to make fun of us. that was a fun day!
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OrangeEmpire said:
nat101, our professor set one day aside for creationism, he had the christians stand up and he made a poor attempt to make fun of us. that was a fun day!
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It is wrong to demand or assume that all Christians believe in Creationism.

I'm Christian and am more of an Intelligent Design proponent, myself.
 
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lawgator1 said:
It is wrong to demand or assume that all Christians believe in Creationism.

I'm Christian and am more of an Intelligent Design proponent, myself.
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wtf are u talking about?

thought were sharing funny stories
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In our own historic time, the Democrats and Republicans occupy the same right wing on the airplane. That the Republicans are way out on the tip, and the Democrats are nearer the first engine is almost meaningless, especially when the differences largely concern issues which should not even be contemplated to be the province of the government in a true American society like abortion and the bedroom.

Any college professor playing the Dem v Rep game in our own historic time is not worth the tenure.

We all know Ralph Nader cost Gore the election.... :/
 
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