Police charged suspects in NC case.

#51
#51
One of the biggest tragedies in all of this is that a large reason these 2 killers are the way that they are, was not their fault I would guess. Not taking away the personal and direct repsonsibilty they played in the killing but I am confident these young men never had any good structure at any point in their lives. That being said, this type of behavior is not tolerable. Worst case they should be executed, best case they should spend their rest of their natural lives incarcerated.
 
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allvol123 said:
One of the biggest tragedies in all of this is that a large reason these 2 killers are the way that they are, was not their fault I would guess. Not taking away the personal and direct repsonsibilty they played in the killing but I am confident these young men never had any good structure at any point in their lives. That being said, this type of behavior is not tolerable. Worst case they should be executed, best case they should spend their rest of their natural lives incarcerated.
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worst case IMO in incarcerated. Best case is given structure and an understanding of what's right and wrong and given a second chance if they can prove they have grown and matured to the point that they deserve it.
 
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volfanbill said:
worst case IMO in incarcerated. Best case is given structure and an understanding of what's right and wrong and given a second chance if they can prove they have grown and matured to the point that they deserve it.
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I am more than OK with them receiving this while incarcerated. They can have heaping helpings of it in fact.
 
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allvol123 said:
One of the biggest tragedies in all of this is that a large reason these 2 killers are the way that they are, was not their fault I would guess. Not taking away the personal and direct repsonsibilty they played in the killing but I am confident these young men never had any good structure at any point in their lives. That being said, this type of behavior is not tolerable. Worst case they should be executed, best case they should spend their rest of their natural lives incarcerated.
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There are many people who were not given good structure or positive role models growing up. That is the crutch that perpetuates behavior like this. You are right they are 100% responsible for their actions.
 
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allvol123 said:
I am more than OK with them receiving this while incarcerated. They can have heaping helpings of it in fact.
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There is one problem with that. Our prisons are like universities for illegal activity. They will receive NO education in right and wrong. They will be in prison with at least a 50 year term, which would equate to life for all intents and purposes. They will be with the worst of the worst our society has to offer. At that point the odds are they will be a lost cause.
 
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KB5252 said:
There is one problem with that. Our prisons are like universities for illegal activity. They will receive NO education in right and wrong. They will be in prison with at least a 50 year term, which would equate to life for all intents and purposes. They will be with the worst of the worst our society has to offer. At that point the odds are they will be a lost cause.
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And you think that if they are let off easy after being charged with murder that they will have the intentions of getting an education or will have the chance to get a good job?



On another note, I just noticed your kid is preparing herself to put her hands up against the wall and spread her legs for when the cops arrest her in the future. :p (yes I'm sure she is probably learning how to walk)
 
#57
#57
As someone always eventually comments on events like this, I too think that the bigger problem here is the society as a whole that breeds people that resort to committing such crimes.

It is evident to me that we are doing something wrong with our education system if nothing else when I see things like this happening. You can blame the parents, the culture, or pretty much anything but ultimately I think that at some point in humanities history we stopped really looking out for one another and loving unconditionally and that is at the root of all problems. Just because the parents may not have been there for their children doesn't mean that someone couldn't have been. There are enough people (myself included) who waste enough time that we really could reach out to people but for whatever reason we choose not to. And if you think you don't have the time you should maybe reconsider your priorities.
 
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#58
Part of the problem I have with situations such as this is that my general disapproval of capital punishment is wrapped in an assumption that every person has the same respect for the life and property of others as I do. When you introduce people who do not have any meaningful respect for the life or property of others into the equation it compeletely undermines my assumption. I just do not feel any commonality as a human being with these sorts of sociopathic personalities.
 
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volwindy said:
And you think that if they are let off easy after being charged with murder that they will have the intentions of getting an education or will have the chance to get a good job?



On another note, I just noticed your kid is preparing herself to put her hands up against the wall and spread her legs for when the cops arrest her in the future. :p (yes I'm sure she is probably learning how to walk)
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No I think they should never see the light of day again. Via the death penalty or life. I was just arguing the chances of "reforming" them are not good.
You're EVIL!!!!!!!!:p ( My daughter is walking just fine now. I used the picture because it was the only one with her in the cheerleading outfit. She has outgrown it now.)
 
#60
#60
As it pertains to capital punishment, I do not feel that Jesus ever spoke against it. He certainly said, "Offer them the other cheek" however, he also said "love your neighbor as yourself." C.S. Lewis has a very interesting take on the latter scripture in his book, Mere Christianity. I do not have it with me right now (I am at the office), however, to paraphrase, Lewis actually makes the case, from a psychological standpoint, that most normal human beings are very hard on themselves, at times bordering on self-loath.

If I injustly murdered someone in cold blood, I know that I would honestly want to kill myself. Therefore, I can easily say that others should be put to death for such.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Part of the problem I have with situations such as this is that my general disapproval of capital punishment is wrapped in an assumption that every person has the same respect for the life and property of others as I do. When you introduce people who do not have any meaningful respect for the life or property of others into the equation it compeletely undermines my assumption. I just do not feel any commonality as a human being with these sorts of sociopathic personalities.
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I've seen interviews with young killers done by sociologists where they state they not only have no respect for others lives, they have no respect for their own life and don't fear death whatsoever.
 
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volfanbill said:
well, if he's agreeing with what I intended when he agreed with me, we are saying that no one except God has the power to decide who lives and who dies. That's my opinion.
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What about these two numbskills trying to play God then? I am of thought, that if you murder someone in cold blood for no reason what-so-ever than you need to be took out of the population. What kind of life are these people going to have anyway? Life in prison at 17? I am sure I will take heat, but child pedophiles, rapist and people who commit murder should be taken out asap.
 
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