Please explain why Shoop has been

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so good with the 2nd half adjustments yet the D continues to start so slowly each game? Pregame planning can't be more difficult than on the fly adjustments during the game? I can't arrive at a reasonable explanation as to why the D struggles out of the gate.
 
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I would say it has more to do with teams creating a game plan that is effective for one half and then CBS adjusts his defense to disrupt their game plan and other offensive coaches simply can't adapt in the second half. He probably starts off very vanilla to see what other coaches are planning on implementing and he is very good at adjusting.
 
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You could say the same about Debord.
Hes essentially got the same players but cant get it to click until late second quarter early second half.
 
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I have a theory that the players are just still getting used to his system and that eventually they will need less tweaking in-game and we will see better defense earlier in the game.
 
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Dudleys87 said:
You could say the same about Debord.
Hes essentially got the same players but cant get it to click until late second quarter early second half.
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Yeah, but we scored right out of the gate against Ohio, before the game got bogged-down by penalties and injuries.

...and if not for all those drops in the first-half vs Florida it would have been a much faster start on offense. Can't blame those drops on Debord.
 
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I honestly think Shoop is a genius and it takes him a few drives to process what's going to work best. I'm not kidding lol. The dude has an Ivy League degree!
 
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Today, 07:40 AM
I would say it has more to do with teams creating a game plan that is effective for one half and then CBS adjusts his defense to disrupt their game plan and other offensive coaches simply can't adapt in the second half. He probably starts off very vanilla to see what other coaches are planning on implementing and he is very good at adjusting.

Today, 07:43 AM
You could say the same about Debord.
Hes essentially got the same players but cant get it to click until late second quarter early second half.

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Ahh. Other defenses can't adjust to DeBord, and other offenses can't adjust to Shoop, in the 2nd half.

Sounds to me we may now have one of the best staff's in America.

I like this.
 
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May have to do with being so early in the season. Most teams have added new wrinkles over the fall and the 1st few games there's always plays that are foreign to a D coord. That and Shoop seems to play base sets as he feels out what the O is trying to do.

Props for such obvious adjustments. I'm not used to seeing our D adjust during a game. Seen us start out good and as the O adjusts CJJ stuck to his guns and lost games as they wore on. Shoop has made BIG time changes in every game that have been the correct changes each time. He is as smart as advertised. Maybe as O's have shown their hands as the season progresses maybe his D will start being effective sooner in the games.
 
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Hacksaw said:
Yeah, but we scored right out of the gate against Ohio, before the game got bogged-down by penalties and injuries.

...and if not for all those drops in the first-half vs Florida it would have been a much faster start on offense. Can't blame those drops on Debord.
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but the players don't call three runs that lose yards and then call a screen or otherwise terribly executed play.

He has to know we don't execute them very well at all yet calls them over and over.
 
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If we had Cam, DKj, and a healthy JRM, we wouldn't be talking about adjustments. It would have been a four quarter domination.
 
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I didn't think our D played that bad the first half against FL. We played aggressively with DB blitzes and left corners in one on one on the outside and the toasted us on two plays. Then on 3rd TD they caught us in another blitz and throw a screen to that side.

But the fact is our D would have played much better if we would have punched the two 1st and Goal possessions in. As soon as the offense started clicking the D did the same thing.
 
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Dudleys87 said:
but the players don't call three runs that lose yards and then call a screen or otherwise terribly executed play.

He has to know we don't execute them very well at all yet calls them over and over.
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I don't necessarily disagree with you. I haven't always been thrilled with the play-calling.

But not every play is run with the expectation that it is going to go to the house. Some plays are run to punish the defense and wear them down over the course of the game. Some are run to make the defense think you're going to do one thing -- so that when you do something else later in the game there is a greater chance that it will be successful.

Sometimes it's frustrating to watch, but all that matters is the score at the end of the game.
 
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Dudleys87 said:
You could say the same about Debord.
Hes essentially got the same players but cant get it to click until late second quarter early second half.
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To be fair to Debord, the play calling in the first half was solid. The plays were there but WRs couldn't catch in the first half. Lol
 
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Interesting how Debord is a terrible play caller when our receivers are dropping the ball and our OL isn't blocking, but he seems to do just fine when the players execute. Florida's coaches were genius when their OL was blocking our D but their play calling went in the tank when Barnett and company started winning the LOS and applied the heat to Appleby?
 
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I can't believe we have to ask. It's obvious that Shoop is a gracious, kind hearted man. He basically does nothing until halftime, so the opposing team will think they have a chance. Then, when their hopes are up, he crushes them.
 
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I think it has to do with starting conservatively. Tennessee didn't want to give up the long ball. When they saw DB's couldn't defend the long ball, regardless of having numbers, they switch to bringing pressure. Pressure is a DB's best friend. We got to go full bore from the start!!!
 
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defense did not play bad in the first half..we had a busted play that went for almost a touchdown..the other 2 touchdowns we just had guys in the wrong place...I think they are still learning but hey who cares...they LOCKED them gators down second half anf sent a message...GO VOLS
 
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walkenvol said:
so good with the 2nd half adjustments yet the D continues to start so slowly each game? Pregame planning can't be more difficult than on the fly adjustments during the game? I can't arrive at a reasonable explanation as to why the D struggles out of the gate.
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First TD was not Shoops fault. Justin Martin didn't execute his assignment.

The main thing I noticed Shoop being surprised by was the screen pass in the first half. He got burned about 3 different times for chunks of yardage. Hats off, made the adjustment and shut that play down
 
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"Sir, they have us surrounded!"

"Good, then we have them right where we want them." - Bob Shoop.

It's almost like he lets them play through a couple of drives and then adjusts to whatever completely shuts them down. It's really unbelievable.
 
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Dudleys87 said:
but the players don't call three runs that lose yards and then call a screen or otherwise terribly executed play.

He has to know we don't execute them very well at all yet calls them over and over.
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Some times those plays are called to set up bigger plays later.

As much heat as Debord takes, he's smarter that people give him credit for. He has now scorched FL's vaunted defenses 3 times (once at Mich). Last years loss was not on the offense. It was on the defense giving up five 4th downs.
 
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It feels more like the players needed a half to adjust. It seemed to be more about execution and ability than play calling from what I could tell (e.g. justin martin getting burned, players missing tackles, players out of position, etc.
 
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