Playoff?

#4
#4
pointless; over half of those teams have already blown their opportunity to be called national champion, a playoff is not what college football needs (here come the berating over that....) it is the most inherently unfair way to determine a champion. Lets use this bracket as an example...lets say troy get hot at the end of the season and wins that bracket, that would leave Alabama with only one loss and troy with 4 but yet they would be national champs. It debases the value of the regular season and does not crown the best team over the whole year, but rather who was the best during an arbitrarily defined set of elimination weeks. sorry, not the most eloquent of arguments nor is it a complete list of the many reasons a playoff would hurt college football but i have to cut it short and get to a meeting, look forward to civilly arguing the merits of bowl games vs. playoff later with yall
 
#5
#5
Saw that article last night too, good read. The more journalists and people who actually have a voice keep pushing for a playoff the better. I would love a 16 team playoff, I think it would be amazing for college football, even 8 or 12 teams would be awesome too. Anything but the system there is now.
 
#6
#6
I want a playoff and I want it yesterday. That was a really good read. Thanks for the link jmoore.
 
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lumberjack4 said:
I want a playoff and I want it yesterday. That was a really good read. Thanks for the link jmoore.
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No prob.

What i like most about it is how all the idea's that people have came up with to shoot the playoff down, he proved how it can be done.
 
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UtennfaninVa said:
pointless; over half of those teams have already blown their opportunity to be called national champion, a playoff is not what college football needs (here come the berating over that....) it is the most inherently unfair way to determine a champion. Lets use this bracket as an example...lets say troy get hot at the end of the season and wins that bracket, that would leave Alabama with only one loss and troy with 4 but yet they would be national champs. It debases the value of the regular season and does not crown the best team over the whole year, but rather who was the best during an arbitrarily defined set of elimination weeks. sorry, not the most eloquent of arguments nor is it a complete list of the many reasons a playoff would hurt college football but i have to cut it short and get to a meeting, look forward to civilly arguing the merits of bowl games vs. playoff later with yall
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So you think that the best way to determine the best team is subjectively? Who was the best team in the NFL last year? Who won the Super Bowl? By your logic Dallas should have been the champs.
 
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UtennfaninVa said:
pointless; over half of those teams have already blown their opportunity to be called national champion, a playoff is not what college football needs (here come the berating over that....) it is the most inherently unfair way to determine a champion. Lets use this bracket as an example...lets say troy get hot at the end of the season and wins that bracket, that would leave Alabama with only one loss and troy with 4 but yet they would be national champs. It debases the value of the regular season and does not crown the best team over the whole year, but rather who was the best during an arbitrarily defined set of elimination weeks. sorry, not the most eloquent of arguments nor is it a complete list of the many reasons a playoff would hurt college football but i have to cut it short and get to a meeting, look forward to civilly arguing the merits of bowl games vs. playoff later with yall
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You bring up a great point. Do we want the team that was steady through the whole season or the team that is best at the end of the year to be named NC?

You can have a 2 or 3 loss team beat an undefeated team in a playoff scenario. Which team is better? The win would say the 2 or 3 loss team is. Does that mean they deserve it more?

I don't personally believe a playoff system would make regular season games any less meaningful. If only 8 teams (or whatever your # is) are going to get in, then every game will count.
 
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volmanbill said:
You bring up a great point. Do we want the team that was steady through the whole season or the team that is best at the end of the year to be named NC?

You can have a 2 or 3 loss team beat an undefeated team in a playoff scenario. Which team is better? The win would say the 2 or 3 loss team is. Does that mean they deserve it more?

I don't personally believe a playoff system would make regular season games any less meaningful. If only 8 teams (or whatever your # is) are going to get in, then every game will count.
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So what your saying is if let's say a 2-3 loss ( & let's say 2 of the losses are in SEC play ) Florida, Georgia, Alabama, or Tennessee team hits their stride right as the playoffs begin & they beat let's say a undeafeted Ohio State or USC team then that's not right?
Why because Ohio State & USC play in weak conferences? So Florida, Georgia, Alabama, or Tennessee doesn't deserve a chance because they lose 2 games in the hardest conference in the country.

So what if we had a playoff system just like that this year! So by your opinion if Florida loses to an undeafeted Bama team in the SEC Championship they wouldnt deserve an at large bid into the playoffs because they have two losses??
 
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I see that... but how is your avatar practicing gonna make this team any better?
 
#18
#18
Its simple. Every single other sport on the face of this wonderful earth uses a post-season playoff format to crown its champion. What happened to Texas this year is ridiculous. If you are the best team, you should win the game when you play the other team. Period. Everyone said the Giants won the SB last year just by "getting hot" and that they werent the best team..... those same people sure look like idiots now, considering how the Giants are killing people. The ONLY way to decide a champion is on the field, head to head.
 
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I LOVE BOWL GAMES,.....watching a good game every damn night for a month is great, and drives my wife NUTS! Its great. I'll watch pee-wee in somebody's backyard,....if there are two lines, something that looks like plays and a ball I'm watching. Sometimes the bowl game sucks,...but for that university & those kids it could be the highlight of a lifetime. Bowl games are awesome and don't hurt anybody.

A Playoff isn't football because it changes the game from what it suppose to be to a weird death challange based upon a skool's depth. Watching those D-II, NAIA, etc. is painful. You always see the star of the team on the sideline w/crutches, and the announcers talking about "what if Johnny was in this game?..." blah blah blah,....and the third stringer is @ QB cuz the 2nd string QB is going both ways @ WR & CB. The season is long enough,..adding more games is lame. And getting another shot @ the NC for an AT-LARGE team isn't fair. Win you regular season games or goto a lower bowl or go home. NCAA Basketball REGULAR SEASON is the worst & DOESN'T MATTER. Do you want the Bama vs. UT game to get pushed down the meter even more? The East Div. winner means something,....imagine last season and the chaos of who goes to a playoff between UGA & UT as a at-large or some other scenerio (Big 12 issues)? A playoff ruins the Reg. Season.

SIDE NOTE - SEC game is gonna be AWESOME! Texas got screwed & (hope to see Fulmer @ ND next year)
GO VOLS!
 
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UtennfaninVa said:
pointless; over half of those teams have already blown their opportunity to be called national champion, a playoff is not what college football needs (here come the berating over that....) it is the most inherently unfair way to determine a champion. Lets use this bracket as an example...lets say troy get hot at the end of the season and wins that bracket, that would leave Alabama with only one loss and troy with 4 but yet they would be national champs. It debases the value of the regular season and does not crown the best team over the whole year, but rather who was the best during an arbitrarily defined set of elimination weeks. sorry, not the most eloquent of arguments nor is it a complete list of the many reasons a playoff would hurt college football but i have to cut it short and get to a meeting, look forward to civilly arguing the merits of bowl games vs. playoff later with yall
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Good points, and this is why I hate March Madness. I'd rather see the #1 and #2 basketball teams at the end of the year compete in a bowl game at Ford Field.

I also despise the Super Bowl playoffs, which have ruined the NFL. It should just be the Giants vs. the Titans. And, it was a complete sham that the Giants got to play for the title last season.

The regular season is far more meaningful if the vast majority of teams have no shot at the title by the middle of October. It would be terrible if more teams had "hope" in late November.

Thanks for clearing up why sports are better without playoffs. It's good that we agree.
 
#22
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As a fan of a so-called "mid-major" I can tell you exactly why this plan (or any like it) will never be adopted by the NCAA. Because there is a chance (albeit a small one, and one I don't expect to see anytime in the near future) that a "mid-major" could win a national championship with some breaks.

I have my shield up, because I'm sure I'm about to be attacked for this post.
 
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ukvols said:
Good points, and this is why I hate March Madness. I'd rather see the #1 and #2 basketball teams at the end of the year compete in a bowl game at Ford Field.

I also despise the Super Bowl playoffs, which have ruined the NFL. It should just be the Giants vs. the Titans. And, it was a complete sham that the Giants got to play for the title last season.

The regular season is far more meaningful if the vast majority of teams have no shot at the title by the middle of October. It would be terrible if more teams had "hope" in late November.

Thanks for clearing up why sports are better without playoffs. It's good that we agree.
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jmoore_21 said:
So what your saying is if let's say a 2-3 loss ( & let's say 2 of the losses are in SEC play ) Florida, Georgia, Alabama, or Tennessee team hits their stride right as the playoffs begin & they beat let's say a undeafeted Ohio State or USC team then that's not right?
Why because Ohio State & USC play in weak conferences? So Florida, Georgia, Alabama, or Tennessee doesn't deserve a chance because they lose 2 games in the hardest conference in the country.

So what if we had a playoff system just like that this year! So by your opinion if Florida loses to an undeafeted Bama team in the SEC Championship they wouldnt deserve an at large bid into the playoffs because they have two losses??
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I didn't say what's right or wrong. I threw it out for discussion. R.I.F.
 
#25
#25
in general, i'm against a playoff. i don't think we'll ever see a playoff that has a qualifier such as conf. champs get in, because no one wants to see Troy or TUlsa in games that are meant for teams like Alabama and Oklahoma.

cinderella works in basketball.

in football, alabama having to play troy is punishment in my opinion. you make it out of the SEC undefeated and a fluke win by troy knocks you out?

i agree, that's just no fair.

but all that simply means we've all been programmed already on what's supposed to be in college football.

I love the NFL playoffs. I love the fact the Giants beat the undefeated Patriots.

I hope the Titans get beat in the Divisional round.



all that said, my biggest gripe against most of the playoff scenarios presented is they are based on BCS rankings. we saw how well that could work in the big 12 this weekend. that would suck.

if we ever do go to a playoff, i would like to think they would include conf. champs, all of them as this mock up suggests, in the field. that would at least put serious weight on the regular season and make your conf. championship important to everyone else besides the SEC.:p


Boil it all down though, and just give me a plus one and i'm good to go.
 
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