Playoff picture is fairly clear now

[GatorBill]

Definitely Ohio St. If they played Mich St again they would run them off the field. I personally wanna see OU and Ohio St in there with Ala. Both of them could play Ala well and could beat them. But no way Clemson,Iowa,Mich St,NC nor ND could play with Ala. I have no desire to see the Bams win another NC. Would rather see Urbs or Stoops win it than Saban and that's hard for me to say. I'm not an Urban or Stoops fan at all.

You dont really watch football do you?

Michigan State beat O$U with a second string quarterback. O$U had to move the ball a total of 38 yards for their two scores.

If Conner Cook were healthy for that game, it would have been a boat race.

MSU has beaten 3 teams that were ranked in the top 10 at the time they played:
Oregon
um
O$U

If they beat Iowa on Saturday, that will be 2 top FIVE teams in a span of 3 weeks.

They will deserve the #1 spot over Clemson but still wont get it, because too many people live in the past and not on what is going on in todays game.

MSU played most of their schedule with major injury issues. They made it through the injuries without a loss (Im not ever going to count that nebraska game, everyone knows that receiver was not eligible) and even if you count that, they still make it through and beat 3 top 10s with all of those injuries:
Starting LB - done in preseason
Starting DB - Done after a couple games
Starting DB - 3 weeks out due to concussion
2 Starting Ol - multiple weeks due to injuries
Starting RB - out multiple weeks

They started 3 true freshman DBs at nebraska, and still should have won that game if not for a reversible official blunder that never got reversed.

Championship teams play over that stuff, and we have. But dont worry, yall just go ahead and ignore us some more. Coach Dantonio loves another chip on his shoulder.

 

[bamawriter]

Also, I heard on fox sports this being brought up... Who has Bama beat? What is their best win and how do they have the toughest schedule in America??

Wins and losses. Only one of Bama's 12 opponents finished with a losing record (counting UF, but not FCS Charleston Southern (though they are a playoff team)).

Bama played, or will play one 10 win team, three 9 win teams, four 8 win teams (and LSU would have been a 9 win team had they not had to cancel with McNeese St), two 7 win teams, and a six win team. No one else is close at this point.

 

[Grand Vol]

Alabama didn't get into the BCSNCG at LSU's expense. They got in over Oklahoma St, who also did not play a conference title game.

It was a BS call and you know it. Oklahoma State was awarded the Big 12 championship that year and only had one loss. And damn well should have gotten the nod over Bama.

 

[bamawriter]

It was a BS call and you know it. Oklahoma State was awarded the Big 12 championship that year and only had one loss. And damn well should have gotten the nod over Bama.

They shouldn't have choked away a three score second half lead to a 6-6 Iowa State team. Sorry not sorry.

 

[Grand Vol]

They shouldn't have choked away a three score second half lead to a 6-6 Iowa State team. Sorry not sorry.

Homer BS.

 

[bamawriter]

Homer BS.

Oh, it's my bias that made it seem like they choked away a three score second half lead to a team that was barely bowl eligible? Since you don't have my crimson-tinted glasses, could you provide an accurate summary of that game?

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Homer BS.

How is it homer to say losing to LSU was better than losing to a 6-6 Iowa St. team?

 

[Grand Vol]

How is it homer to say losing to LSU was better than losing to a 6-6 Iowa St. team?

It's homer to justify putting a one loss Alabama team that wasn't a conference champion in over a one loss team that was a champion.

Two weeks separated the OSU loss to a team that always plays them hard, and also during the week they lost two members of their sporting staff. Provided they were with women's basketball, but that athletic department there is a close knit family. I've seen that myself.

Sorry, but you'll never convince me that OSU didn't get screwed that year. It has less to do with my Bama hate than it does seeing a team that deserved a shot getting jobbed by the selection committee.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

It's homer to justify putting a one loss Alabama team that wasn't a conference champion in over a one loss team that was a champion.

Two weeks separated the OSU loss to a team that always plays them hard, and also during the week they lost two members of their sporting staff. Provided they were with women's basketball, but that athletic department there is a close knit family. I've seen that myself.

Sorry, but you'll never convince me that OSU didn't get screwed that year. It has less to do with my Bama hate than it does seeing a team that deserved a shot getting jobbed by the selection committee.

So replace Alabama with Tennessee that year and you still would be arguing for OSU?

 

[bamawriter]

Sorry, but you'll never convince me that OSU didn't get screwed that year. It has less to do with my Bama hate than it does seeing a team that deserved a shot getting jobbed by the selection committee.

There was no selection committee during the BCS era. The game was determined by two polls and some computers.

 

[jakez4ut]

I gotta disagree. I want the 4 best teams in and Ohio St would be in that category. I want anybody that has a chance to beat Ala and NC doesn't. Not to mention you can't put a team in the playoff with 2 FCS wins..No power 5 school has any business playing 2 FCS schools in a year. I don't even want 1 on our schedule.

like said, this is all subjective now. you have your perspective...i have mine. if i showed you OSU and UNC's resume's side by side, in a blind taste test, there's little differences between them, save one would have had the opportunity to play for and win a conf title over the #1 team.

but if that's not important to you, or rather, it's more important that they played two FCS schools, then ok, that's how you justify it, and we would disagree....especially since i would say there's not much difference in playing 2 FCS schools and playing Purdue, Indiana, illinois, etc......while the big 10 has 2-3 really good teams, it's quite a drop off to the other 8 or 9.

Your personal criteria doesn't apply.

well, his, no, but in respect to the current process, it is completely subjective, and it is up to the personal criteria of the committee members, and i'm sure there may be one or two that share his feelings, and maybe (hopefully) more than that, that share mine.

Clemson has a top 5 defense and enough playmakers on offense to give Bama a game.

offensively, they would have the same problems we had, but they are better equipped on the O line. defenisvely they're still nasty in spots, plenty of talent. i'd give Clemson 4 chances in 10 at Bama.

how funny would it be, looking back now, if it's Alabama and Oklahoma in the National title game? i think that'd be a good match up. Mayfield has given every defense he's faced complete fits. i think he'd do the same to Bama. i think OU has the most complete offense, and would give any of the other three the most trouble.

Conversely, no one wants to play Bama's defense.

hence, let's have OU vs. Bama.

 

[Grand Vol]

So replace Alabama with Tennessee that year and you still would be arguing for OSU?

Yep.

If UT had one loss which kept them out of the SECCG, I'd advocate a Conference Champion with the same record. I'm objective enough to say fair is fair.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Yep.

If UT had one loss which kept them out of the SECCG, I'd advocate a Conference Champion with the same record. I'm objective enough to say fair is fair.

Well, you are consistent; though at this place I also think you'd be in the extreme minority.

 

[Glocker_Alum_2005]

I heard this brought up on local radio...OU is sitting where TCU was last year...so if SpartY dominates Iowa (thereby improving the quality of OSU's close loss to them), could Buckeyes get in? I mean the job of the committee is to pick the 4 best teams, right? Can you definitely tell me OSU is not one of the four best teams?

 

[bamawriter]

I heard this brought up on local radio...OU is sitting where TCU was last year...so if SpartY dominates Iowa (thereby improving the quality of OSU's close loss to them), could Buckeyes get in? I mean the job of the committee is to pick the 4 best teams, right? Can you definitely tell me OSU is not one of the four best teams?

OU won the Big XII outright. So no, they aren't sitting where TCU was last year.

 

[TrueOrange]

If UNC wins, I'd put them in over OSU.

And if you're going that route, I'd put both Iowa and Michigan St. over OSU because why should either be punished for having to play an extra game and OSU be rewarded for not having to play it.

Because unfortunately that's the way the system has almost always worked for a team losing in the conference championship game. (Save a few instances...but definitely less, not more.)

 

[TrueOrange]

I heard this brought up on local radio...OU is sitting where TCU was last year...so if SpartY dominates Iowa (thereby improving the quality of OSU's close loss to them), could Buckeyes get in? I mean the job of the committee is to pick the 4 best teams, right? Can you definitely tell me OSU is not one of the four best teams?

Different case completely.

OU won its conference championship, unlike TCU (who as a conference runner-up got pushed below Baylor when the each played their last regular season game).

And OU is bringing a much better SOS both in conference and out of conference than last year's conference champion Baylor did.

2014 Baylor:

1. in conference - beat #6 TCU (11-1), #11 Kansas State (9-3)...and after that their next best victories were unranked 8-4 OU, 7-5 WVU, 6-6 Texas, 6-6 Ok State
   
2. OOC - played and beat 1-11 SMU, 5-6 Buffalo, and 6-6 FCS Northwestern State

2015 OU:

(Note: have to base the rankings on the AP poll's for the moment, since the next CFP rankings for the week aren't out yet)

1. in conference - beat #11 TCU (10-2), #12 Baylor (9-2), #14 Oklahoma State (10-2)....followed by either an 8-4/7-5 WVU and a 7-5 Texas Tech
   
2. OOC - played and beat 8-4 Tennessee (bowl-bound power 5 conference team), 7-5 Akron, 6-6 Tulsa (no FCS opponent played)
   

 

[Glocker_Alum_2005]

Different case completely.

OU won its conference championship, unlike TCU (who as a conference runner-up got pushed below Baylor when the each played their last regular season game).

And OU is bringing a much better SOS both in conference and out of conference than last year's conference champion Baylor did.

2014 Baylor:

1. in conference - beat #6 TCU (11-1), #11 Kansas State (9-3)...and after that their next best victories were unranked 8-4 OU, 7-5 WVU, 6-6 Texas, 6-6 Ok State
   
2. OOC - played and beat 1-11 SMU, 5-6 Buffalo, and 6-6 FCS Northwestern State

2015 OU:

(Note: have to base the rankings on the AP poll's for the moment, since the next CFP rankings for the week aren't out yet)

1. in conference - beat #11 TCU (10-2), #12 Baylor (9-2), #14 Oklahoma State (10-2)....followed by either an 8-4/7-5 WVU and a 7-5 Texas Tech
   
2. OOC - played and beat 8-4 Tennessee (bowl-bound power 5 conference team), 7-5 Akron, 6-6 Tulsa (no FCS opponent played)
   

Agreed different scenario. Urban's only hope is a UNC upset (in a close game), and Stanford loses.

 

[TrueOrange]

Agreed different scenario. Urban's only hope is a UNC upset (in a close game), and Stanford loses.

It would have to be an ugly UNC win, not even a close game.



Like one of those awful 6-4 "Dear lord these are actual, trained football teams playing out there? Seriously I can't tell anymore because part way into that first quarter my eyes started to bleed and they haven't stopped!" bad.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

UNC has pretty much no shot.

 

[Glocker_Alum_2005]

UNC has pretty much no shot.

Given UNC is ranked #10, they would have to darn near pull an OSU from last year and beat Clemson by 3+ TDs to even have a shot, otherwise an upset puts Stanford (assuming they beat SoCal), only way OSU gets in is if USC beats Stanford.

 

[He_Made_It]

UNC has pretty much no shot.

And you're pretty much right, but.....

I think the committee will put UNC in if they win.

If they do, they'll jump

1) Clemson
2) The Big10 CG loser
3) The three two-loss teams ahead of them

Ah crap nevermind I forgot about Ohio State

 

[jakez4ut]

if the option is Ohio State gets in, if Clemson loses, then i'm a clemson fan.


we had this issue way back when, when Nebraska got in to the BCS title game not having every played for their Conf title. they got in because KSU beat OU in the big 12 title game.

complete BS. and it would be BS now. i'd rather the Big 10 loser, especially if it's MSU, get in over OSU....at least MSU won the division that OSU plays in...oh, and MSU beat OSU in columbus with a back up qB!!!!!!!!

oh state.....that sucks if they get in. i get that it's supposed to match up the best teams. but at some point, there has to be some qualifier for "earning it".

and OSU had their chance, and blew it.

 

[Boston Vol]

if the option is Ohio State gets in, if Clemson loses, then i'm a clemson fan.


we had this issue way back when, when Nebraska got in to the BCS title game not having every played for their Conf title. they got in because KSU beat OU in the big 12 title game.

complete BS. and it would be BS now. i'd rather the Big 10 loser, especially if it's MSU, get in over OSU....at least MSU won the division that OSU plays in...oh, and MSU beat OSU in columbus with a back up qB!!!!!!!!

oh state.....that sucks if they get in. i get that it's supposed to match up the best teams. but at some point, there has to be some qualifier for "earning it".

and OSU had their chance, and blew it.

No that was the year they lost Colorado 62-36. They got in because Texas and Tennessee both lost in their respective conference title games. The year KState beat OU in the B12 title game, the Sooners still made the BCS title game, where they lost to LSU.

 

[Gramps]

1. Clemson
2. Alabama
3. Oklahoma
4. Winner of Big10

If MSU beats Iowa and Clemson pulls a clemson against UNC, what would things look like then?

1. Alabama
2. Oklahoma
3. Michigan State

The remaining slot would have Iowa (12-1), Ohio State (11-1), and UNC (12-1) as candidates. Who would you pick in that scenario?

UNC, they would be the ACA conference champions and have just beaten the #1 ranked team in the country.