Playoff Committee is Atrociously Bad / Blatant B1G Bias

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VolsFan-TX said:
They need to bring back the computer rankings to remove the bias of individuals making selections. They should also remove the byes going to conference champs only.
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+1,000. Despite its complexity the BCS system with multiple computer polls and people polls averaged together was the best, most unbiased selection method ever IMO. Having a handful of folks primarily from the B1G footprint determing who's in and who's out virtually guarantees you a biased outcome. The south will always draw the short straw with these "committees". This year, for example, 4 B1G teams in, 3 B1G teams playing at home vs the SEC with 3 teams in, 1 team playing on the road despite the SEC having won the vast majority of NC's over the past two decades. It's just BS IMO. Go Vols !!!
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
I'll admit I was never a fan of the 12-team playoff to begin with. It's just a money grab, but watching this unfold this year just further reaffirms my hatred for it.

First off, the whole "first-round byes for only conference champions" bit is completely idiotic. Boise State, the #3 seed, is ranked #25 by FPI. Arizona State, the #4 seed, is ranked #22 by FPI. So the #5 seed ironically ends up with the easiest path of all, and the #6 seed gets to play the FPI #13 team in the first round and the FPI #25 team in the 2nd. Why?

Also, how TF is Notre Dame #7? FPI has them #2, Sagarin #1, and the AP has them #3. How do you end up with an essentially "consensus top 3 team" at #7 just because they are an independent? Even with that, how are they below Penn State? Notre Dame's resume is way more impressive than Penn State's on every single metric imaginable. But remember ... the #6 seed is extremely lucrative because you get to play 2 teams that shouldn't even be in the playoff in the first 2 rounds ... so mysteriously ... Penn State gets ranked higher than Notre Dame and Notre Dame gets slotted in a potential 2nd round matchup with Georgia (arguably the best team in the country).

The entire exercise reeks of B1G bias. Penn State has a weak resume with no quality wins but somehow gets the coveted #6 seed. Ohio State gets the #8 seed and a home game after an embarassing loss. We get screwed into a road game against Ohio State. I don't even have a problem with Ohio State being ranked over us in the abstract - it's more that there's no consistency is evaluation. If Ohio State is above us due to "quality wins" and a strong FPI ranking, then why is Penn State above us and Notre Dame, when both us and ND have higher FPI rankings and better quality wins? The only consistent logic is that "whatever logic is needed to put a B1G team in the favorable position wins out".

Literally, the only thing I agree with is Oregon at #1 and Georgia at #2. Nothing else makes any sense except under the lens that the B1G is just rigging the entire thing to its benefit.

I'm happy we're in, but I can't say I'm excited for this monstrosity. This is even worse and more political than the NCAA basketball tournament seeding.
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This arrangement expires after next year. It was an accommodation given by SEC and B10 to the also rans.
 
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VolsFan-TX said:
They need to bring back the computer rankings to remove the bias of individuals making selections. They should also remove the byes going to conference champs only.
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Last year had computers been used instead of a committee, FSU would have made the playoffs, but at the expense of TX not Bama. So the Texas team that finished with the same record as Alabama and beat them in Tuscaloosa, would have had to sit at home and watch them in the playoffs. Maybe human beings aren’t so bad after all.
 
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The FIX: Take the 4 conference champs, that’s fair enough, but seed the brackets based on RANKING. Yes there will still be someone unhappy - but at least the best teams either get a bye or a home game. To seed an unranked or low ranked team as a top 4 seed is INSANE !
 
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This playoff setup is trash. There should be no byes. Teams with a horrible SoS shouldn’t be in just for winning a weak conference and sure as hell shouldn’t get a bye. Rankings mean nothing. Whole thing is a sham.

Edit: Georgia is about to get another one.
 
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For anyone comparing this to the NFL - it’s NOT the NFL !! True there are weaker conferences in each league but there’s a defined NFL schedule and you don’t really get to pick and choose the teams you play throughout the season - it’s equal across the board. It is what it is now, but it is obviously giving “weaker” teams an advantage to the end up in the finals. Planned or otherwise, it will limit the SEC’s chances to dominate as in past years. Terrible plan IMO regardless of who wins/loses out.
 
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teeball said:
+1,000. Despite its complexity the BCS system with multiple computer polls and people polls averaged together was the best, most unbiased selection method ever IMO. Having a handful of folks primarily from the B1G footprint determing who's in and who's out virtually guarantees you a biased outcome. The south will always draw the short straw with these "committees". This year, for example, 4 B1G teams in, 3 B1G teams playing at home vs the SEC with 3 teams in, 1 team playing on the road despite the SEC having won the vast majority of NC's over the past two decades. It's just BS IMO. Go Vols !!!
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On3 simulates the old BCS. It isn’t HUGELY different than the committee. Has us in the same slot but PSU between us and OSU and Bama in over SMU.

IMO, it’s the part moving the conference champs up into the first 4 slots with the bye and moving more deserving teams down that wrecks the current system the most.

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College Football Playoff: Using BCS formula to predict final College 12-team CFP bracket

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It’s ridiculous! The fact that the media is spinning it in any other way is ridiculous. Boise State can’t beat Ole Miss, Alabama,South Carolina,LSU,Missouri,Auburn or Florida. They’re just taking up space waiting on an ass whooping. And that’s just one aspect of this shat show. I’m not going along with acting like we’re all too stupid to know any better. Where is the outrage! Give me a break!
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
I'll admit I was never a fan of the 12-team playoff to begin with. It's just a money grab, but watching this unfold this year just further reaffirms my hatred for it.

First off, the whole "first-round byes for only conference champions" bit is completely idiotic. Boise State, the #3 seed, is ranked #25 by FPI. Arizona State, the #4 seed, is ranked #22 by FPI. So the #5 seed ironically ends up with the easiest path of all, and the #6 seed gets to play the FPI #13 team in the first round and the FPI #25 team in the 2nd. Why?

Also, how TF is Notre Dame #7? FPI has them #2, Sagarin #1, and the AP has them #3. How do you end up with an essentially "consensus top 3 team" at #7 just because they are an independent? Even with that, how are they below Penn State? Notre Dame's resume is way more impressive than Penn State's on every single metric imaginable. But remember ... the #6 seed is extremely lucrative because you get to play 2 teams that shouldn't even be in the playoff in the first 2 rounds ... so mysteriously ... Penn State gets ranked higher than Notre Dame and Notre Dame gets slotted in a potential 2nd round matchup with Georgia (arguably the best team in the country).

The entire exercise reeks of B1G bias. Penn State has a weak resume with no quality wins but somehow gets the coveted #6 seed. Ohio State gets the #8 seed and a home game after an embarassing loss. We get screwed into a road game against Ohio State. I don't even have a problem with Ohio State being ranked over us in the abstract - it's more that there's no consistency is evaluation. If Ohio State is above us due to "quality wins" and a strong FPI ranking, then why is Penn State above us and Notre Dame, when both us and ND have higher FPI rankings and better quality wins? The only consistent logic is that "whatever logic is needed to put a B1G team in the favorable position wins out".

Literally, the only thing I agree with is Oregon at #1 and Georgia at #2. Nothing else makes any sense except under the lens that the B1G is just rigging the entire thing to its benefit.

I'm happy we're in, but I can't say I'm excited for this monstrosity. This is even worse and more political than the NCAA basketball tournament seeding.
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Good post. I personally don’t believe that UGA is a serious threat to win it all if Beck’s season is over. It’s unreal that TX couldn’t beat UGA with a backup quarterback after halftime.
 
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VolsFan-TX said:
In today's AP ranking, OSU and TN switched places. Last week, TN was 6 and OSU was 7. Today, OSU is 6 and TN is 7 even though neither team played this weekend. Just extra support for the committee to have OSU ahead of us in the seeding.
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And they said last week any team not playing in conference championship games could not move up but the Suckeyes did?????!!!!!
 
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Boston Vol said:
Last year had computers been used instead of a committee, FSU would have made the playoffs, but at the expense of TX not Bama. So the Texas team that finished with the same record as Alabama and beat them in Tuscaloosa, would have had to sit at home and watch them in the playoffs. Maybe human beings aren’t so bad after all.
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That’s a simple tweak to the program to ensure H2H outcomes are weighted appropriately.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
I'll admit I was never a fan of the 12-team playoff to begin with. It's just a money grab, but watching this unfold this year just further reaffirms my hatred for it.

First off, the whole "first-round byes for only conference champions" bit is completely idiotic. Boise State, the #3 seed, is ranked #25 by FPI. Arizona State, the #4 seed, is ranked #22 by FPI. So the #5 seed ironically ends up with the easiest path of all, and the #6 seed gets to play the FPI #13 team in the first round and the FPI #25 team in the 2nd. Why?

Also, how TF is Notre Dame #7? FPI has them #2, Sagarin #1, and the AP has them #3. How do you end up with an essentially "consensus top 3 team" at #7 just because they are an independent? Even with that, how are they below Penn State? Notre Dame's resume is way more impressive than Penn State's on every single metric imaginable. But remember ... the #6 seed is extremely lucrative because you get to play 2 teams that shouldn't even be in the playoff in the first 2 rounds ... so mysteriously ... Penn State gets ranked higher than Notre Dame and Notre Dame gets slotted in a potential 2nd round matchup with Georgia (arguably the best team in the country).

The entire exercise reeks of B1G bias. Penn State has a weak resume with no quality wins but somehow gets the coveted #6 seed. Ohio State gets the #8 seed and a home game after an embarassing loss. We get screwed into a road game against Ohio State. I don't even have a problem with Ohio State being ranked over us in the abstract - it's more that there's no consistency is evaluation. If Ohio State is above us due to "quality wins" and a strong FPI ranking, then why is Penn State above us and Notre Dame, when both us and ND have higher FPI rankings and better quality wins? The only consistent logic is that "whatever logic is needed to put a B1G team in the favorable position wins out".

Literally, the only thing I agree with is Oregon at #1 and Georgia at #2. Nothing else makes any sense except under the lens that the B1G is just rigging the entire thing to its benefit.

I'm happy we're in, but I can't say I'm excited for this monstrosity. This is even worse and more political than the NCAA basketball tournament seeding.
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How hard is the job of watching college football and drinking all day while you do it?
 
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gemlek said:
The SEC needs to immediately expand x 4-6 teams……pick the crappiest teams that essentially provide a ‘conference game’ easy win and will allow the good teams to not play as many head to head games which effectively knocks our quality teams from not qualifying for the playoffs. This is what the other leagues did. The ACC big 3 (Miami, Clemson, SMU) did not play each other…..those 3 teams were cumulative 0-6 vs teams with winning records. Indiana’s strength of schedule was 116th in the country prior to playing OSU…after getting their teeth kicked in, their SOS jumped to 61! Penn states only quality win was vs Illinois…..at #25. Only beat 2 teams with better than .500……and they got a home playoff game?! The Big 10 teams avoided playing each other….with only PSU and OSU playing each other. This is what the SEC should do. Screw playing good teams out of conference ; why take a risk when you have brutal conference games. It appears you get penalized for losses more than playing a tougher schedule. Get rid of conference championship games…..the ACC championship game allowed a non-playoff team like Clemson to play its way in when it didn’t deserve to…..so how, according to the CFP chair, can a team not be penalized for losing a conference championship game but can be rewarded for winning a game? Clemson should never have been able to play their way in. Also, there must be reseating of 2nd round playoff games! From an Oregon #1perspective……they will potentially have to play OSU #8 in the second round; ASU #4 ( lowest rated 1st round bye team) could possibly play the #12 team in the second round!? If I were Oregon, I would call BS on that. This system was not well thought out.
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So your point is to ruin everything great about SEC football all season to get an advantage for this ridiculous playoff.

I'll be honest - I'd rather have the kind of regular season we have in the SEC, where most weeks are tough games in fun atmospheres, rather than sell out and have 3-4 more cupcake games for a better draw in this post season charade. The week to week fun of watching UT play an SEC schedule is worth more than having a "better draw" in their bullschiit "playoff".

I've said this before - I would actually prefer for the SEC to play a 10-game conference schedule, then have a four team playoff and crown an SEC, and therefore national champion. F***k the rest of CFB, I honestly have no great need to see the inferior grade of football played in the rest of the "Power 4" conferences.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
I'll admit I was never a fan of the 12-team playoff to begin with. It's just a money grab, but watching this unfold this year just further reaffirms my hatred for it.

First off, the whole "first-round byes for only conference champions" bit is completely idiotic. Boise State, the #3 seed, is ranked #25 by FPI. Arizona State, the #4 seed, is ranked #22 by FPI. So the #5 seed ironically ends up with the easiest path of all, and the #6 seed gets to play the FPI #13 team in the first round and the FPI #25 team in the 2nd. Why?

Also, how TF is Notre Dame #7? FPI has them #2, Sagarin #1, and the AP has them #3. How do you end up with an essentially "consensus top 3 team" at #7 just because they are an independent? Even with that, how are they below Penn State? Notre Dame's resume is way more impressive than Penn State's on every single metric imaginable. But remember ... the #6 seed is extremely lucrative because you get to play 2 teams that shouldn't even be in the playoff in the first 2 rounds ... so mysteriously ... Penn State gets ranked higher than Notre Dame and Notre Dame gets slotted in a potential 2nd round matchup with Georgia (arguably the best team in the country).

The entire exercise reeks of B1G bias. Penn State has a weak resume with no quality wins but somehow gets the coveted #6 seed. Ohio State gets the #8 seed and a home game after an embarassing loss. We get screwed into a road game against Ohio State. I don't even have a problem with Ohio State being ranked over us in the abstract - it's more that there's no consistency is evaluation. If Ohio State is above us due to "quality wins" and a strong FPI ranking, then why is Penn State above us and Notre Dame, when both us and ND have higher FPI rankings and better quality wins? The only consistent logic is that "whatever logic is needed to put a B1G team in the favorable position wins out".

Literally, the only thing I agree with is Oregon at #1 and Georgia at #2. Nothing else makes any sense except under the lens that the B1G is just rigging the entire thing to its benefit.

I'm happy we're in, but I can't say I'm excited for this monstrosity. This is even worse and more political than the NCAA basketball tournament seeding.
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I was telling my wife earlier today that the idea is to have the top 12 teams bracketed and see who comes out on top. If you want the top 12 teams in a playoff format, then that means the top 12 teams in the polls, not some team ranked 13th and 16th. Do away with conference championship games, take the top 12 teams in the polls. I know there are several polls out there, but go with the best known polls. If there is a lot of difference in the polls, go by who is ranked the highest in the most recognized polls.

Just my opinion, feel free to disagree, and suggest a better format than what we have now.
 
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dobre_shunka said:
I don't get putting more emphasis on who you lost to versus who you beat.

Penn State and Indiana had no "bad losses" but no good wins either. So the formula appears to be play one good team to get beat by and then have a bunch of tomato cans for the rest of your schedule
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The formula is to win your damned conference, or cry a huge river if you don't get lucky based on who loses after your ass lost...
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
I can’t keep up with you guys. So many people say Notre Dame shouldn’t be in because they lost to Northern Illinois, now we are saying they got screwed?

Notre Dame got penalized for having the worst loss of any team in the field and not playing a conference championship game. That’s fair. The Big 10 got four teams in because they had 3 teams with 1 loss at regular season’s end and another with two losses. That’s fair.

Pen. state had no bad losses. Notre Dame had an awful one. Ohio State had a bad loss, but so did we. But Ohio State beat two playoff teams, we beat none. If you want to count Bama as a great win, well we still didn’t have any other good wins.

This was, honestly, the least biased possible outcome. The absence of SEC bias does not mean they are being biased towards other conferences.
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The BIG is top heavy as hell. The rest of the conference is dog💩. Indiana is a farce and Penn State doesn’t look that impressive either. Even Oregon looks suspect on D.
The SEC was its own worst enemy this year.
 
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Ned Ray McWorkher said:
The formula is to win your damned conference, or cry a huge river if you don't get lucky based on who loses after your ass lost...
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So only conference champions are in - so take the 8 champions from the top 8 conferences and just let them play.

That leaves out PSU, Texas, Notre Dame, OSU, Tennessee, SMU, and Indiana out - leaving

1. Oregon
2. Georgia
3. Boise State
4. Arizona State
5. Clemson
6. Army
7.
8.

And two more from Jacksonville State, Ohio, Marshall / Louisiana.

So rather than waste the time to play the games just fast forward to Oregon vs Georgia and call it a day.
 
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sami said:
So your point is to ruin everything great about SEC football all season to get an advantage for this ridiculous playoff.

I'll be honest - I'd rather have the kind of regular season we have in the SEC, where most weeks are tough games in fun atmospheres, rather than sell out and have 3-4 more cupcake games for a better draw in this post season charade. The week to week fun of watching UT play an SEC schedule is worth more than having a "better draw" in their bullschiit "playoff".

I've said this before - I would actually prefer for the SEC to play a 10-game conference schedule, then have a four team playoff and crown an SEC, and therefore national champion. F***k the rest of CFB, I honestly have no great need to see the inferior grade of football played in the rest of the "Power 4" conferences.
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There is a lot of money to be made -

- The first-round hosts see a major financial impact to their economy for that game.
- There is a payout associated with each game. The more conference teams in, the higher the payout for the conference.

SEC football is a business. They want their share of the payout as does the B1G. You can bet that the SEC will adapt to make sure they get their share. Yes, it could lead to less excitement during the regular season - but the financial reward to have 4 or more schools in the final 12 and have as many "hosts" as possible= more money for the schools and the conference.

This will ultimately lead to SEC scheduling changes to ensure they have a group of 4 that have 1 (no more than 2) losses when the season ends or they may eventually excuse themselves from the mess.

Either way I expect there will be changes.
 
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volfan102455 said:
There is a lot of money to be made -

- The first-round hosts see a major financial impact to their economy for that game.
- There is a payout associated with each game. The more conference teams in, the higher the payout for the conference.

SEC football is a business. They want their share of the payout as does the B1G. You can bet that the SEC will adapt to make sure they get their share. Yes, it could lead to less excitement during the regular season - but the financial reward to have 4 or more schools in the final 12 and have as many "hosts" as possible= more money for the schools and the conference.

This will ultimately lead to SEC scheduling changes to ensure they have a group of 4 that have 1 (no more than 2) losses when the season ends or they may eventually excuse themselves from the mess.

Either way I expect there will be changes.
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If our beloved conference commish cared about all that potential money, maybe he should of chose his battles wiser and helped the Vols to secured a home playoff game.
 
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So can Notre Dame never get in the top 4 under this format? You would think since they were ranked higher than ACC, Big12, or Boise State, they would have been in a top 4 spot.
 
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