Playing to win vs playing not to lose

#76
#76
We were trying to run out the clock in the third quarter because our coaching staff forget what got us the 17 point lead thats what happen, maybe the coaching staff needs to learn how to close out a big game because you could see panic in the coaching staff when Oklahoma cut the game to 17-10, you could see the fear in there eyes and you know the players could see it to, hate to say it but the truth is the truth, i still got faith in our coaching staff but it time to win a big game now, not next year we still can have a outstanding season if we dont get anymore starters hurt and the coaches learn to step on somebody head when you got them down instead of helping them to there feet where they can come back and kick your azz, when you get a man down stomp his head into the ground thats the mind set this coaching staff needs to do.
 
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terrypedigo said:
We were trying to run out the clock in the third quarter because our coaching staff forget what got us the 17 point lead thats what happen, maybe the coaching staff needs to learn how to close out a big game because you could see panic in the coaching staff when Oklahoma cut the game to 17-10, you could see the fear in there eyes and you know the players could see it to.
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They were running a hurry-up at that point. They didn't start milking the clock until later.
 
#79
#79
since there is no tying in college football anymore, playing not to lose is the same as playing to win.

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#80
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HomeGrownUTVOL said:
I would much rather listen to these so called excuses over your constant coach bashing! You guys better get used to the fact that

bUTch is our coach and will be for at the very least 5 more years. I love UT football just about more than anything in life and it

gets really old seeing the same ol few bash our coach! I for one think bUTch has performed miracles since he has been here with the

way the program was left by Doofus. Yea they need to work on play calling a little but who are we to say so, I'm sure they know this

team better than any of these HOF ARMCHAIR COACHES on here. I'll stand behind bUTch as long as he is here or to the point where he

is driving our program into the dirt again, but I'd bet that doesn't happen again. When it gets tough don't mutiny, stand behind our

coaches and players.






GO VOLS!!!!!!!!!
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He choked. He folds like clockwork. He deserves every single thing we are saying. He recruits well. Very well. He is a misdirection master. A slogan savant. And a brilliant snatch defeat from the jaws of victory guy.
 
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terrypedigo said:
We were trying to run out the clock in the third quarter because our coaching staff forget what got us the 17 point lead thats what happen, maybe the coaching staff needs to learn how to close out a big game because you could see panic in the coaching staff when Oklahoma cut the game to 17-10, you could see the fear in there eyes and you know the players could see it to, hate to say it but the truth is the truth, i still got faith in our coaching staff but it time to win a big game now, not next year we still can have a outstanding season if we dont get anymore starters hurt and the coaches learn to step on somebody head when you got them down instead of helping them to there feet where they can come back and kick your azz, when you get a man down stomp his head into the ground thats the mind set this coaching staff to think like, if they would think like that the WINS will come:clapping
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Wylo said:
He choked. He folds like clockwork. He deserves every single thing we are saying. He recruits well. Very well. He is a misdirection master. A slogan savant. And a brilliant snatch defeat from the jaws of victory guy.
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Do you not think he can improve?? Or is there an age limit for when you stop improving? Serious question for you.
 
#83
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Wylo said:
He choked. He folds like clockwork. He deserves every single thing we are saying. He recruits well. Very well. He is a misdirection master. A slogan savant. And a brilliant snatch defeat from the jaws of victory guy.
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That dude must have been fond of DD, nobody be around here 5 more years chocking every big game you got won, now saying that i think coach Jones can win here he just cant let what happen last Saturday happen 2 or 3 times a year.
 
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sjt18 said:
OU's D has been on its heels most of the day as Tulsa has taken the fight to them the way I hoped UT would. Right now, they have over 600 yds of offense vs the 254 UT had last week. How do you explain that?

So, am I right and this is just a game management philosophy problem with Jones being too conservative?

Is it his scheme?

Is it players and player development?

Do you think Tulsa is more talented than UT considering their OL isn't getting abused, receivers are getting open, and RB's are having consistent success?



I will say honestly for the first time I'm beginning to question Jones' offensive scheme. It doesn't get players open. It doesn't seem to help OL's open holes or keep a pocket. It seems to be very, very easy to defend.



So what is your opinion... or excuse... for Tulsa basically raping a D that UT couldn't move the ball on for 3 quarters?
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I just saw the stats from this game myself. I've been in CBJs corner more or less. Questioned some of his decisions but gave him the benefit of the doubt. We did have players in position to score on different plays but didn't execute. But if Tulsa can put up those kinda numbers, double the points and yards we had, the why on gods green earth couldn't we with all our vaunted offensive talent. This for me was a bit of an eye opener.
 
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HomeGrownUTVOL said:
Do you not think he can improve?? Or is there an age limit for when you stop improving? Serious question for you.
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Yes. I would think that continuing to fold in those games is a sign of stagnation, not improvement. He's already done it this year. Continuing the trend. I would gladly speak less if he'd actually show that he's improving. Hiring his buddy that knows nothing about current football should've been a red flag for most.
 
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terrypedigo said:
That dude must have been fond of DD, nobody be around here 5 more years chocking every big game you got won, now saying that i think coach Jones can win here he just cant let what happen last Saturday happen 2 or 3 times a year.
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Unfortunately it's happened every year with him. And in the first opportunity this year, it happened again.
 
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volfan_89 said:
I just saw the stats from this game myself. I've been in CBJs corner more or less. Questioned some of his decisions but gave him the benefit of the doubt. We did have players in position to score on different plays but didn't execute. But if Tulsa can put up those kinda numbers, double the points and yards we had, the why on gods green earth couldn't we with all our vaunted offensive talent. This for me was a bit of an eye opener.
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Interestingly enough, the HC @ Tulsa, Phillip Montgomery hired two assistants from BGSU as Co-Offensive Coordinators this past December. Could be that the answer to everyone's question about the Vols Offense could be that DeBord is behind the times. Montgomery and one of the hires from BGSU are Briles diciples.
 
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BudBarry said:
Interestingly enough, the HC @ Tulsa, Phillip Montgomery hired two assistants from BGSU as Co-Offensive Coordinators this past December. Could be that the answer to everyone's question about the Vols Offense could be that DeBord is behind the times. Montgomery and one of the hires from BGSU are Briles diciples.
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I questioned the hire from the start. Wish they would've gone with someone with a more recent body of work. We have so much talent on offense. I can only imagine what s competent OC could do with it.
 
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sjt18 said:
If Tulsa outgained UT by 100 yds... blame it on them being flat. But it was almost 400 yds. Flat just doesn't explain that big of a difference.
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Conversely, Tennessee held Oklahoma to 348 yards of total offense, 425 less than Tulsa yielded (773). As BudBarry observed, every game assumes a persona of its own. The Oklahoma-Tulsa game quickly became a track meet, which closely resembled the trajectory of much of the Tennessee-Bowling Green game prior to the lightning delay. Any observable parallels there? Absolutely. The head coaches of Tulsa and Bowling Green both served as assistants on the offensive staff of Art Briles at Baylor.

Sjt, you are hardly the most frequent or egregious practitioner of this, but calling a fellow Vol a “coward” in the course of online dialogue is beneath you. You usually bring informed opinion to the board, so I would have expected more from you.
 
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volfan_89 said:
I questioned the hire from the start. Wish they would've gone with someone with a more recent body of work. We have so much talent on offense. I can only imagine what s competent OC could do with it.
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You guys are scary enough, talent wise. Lawdy help college football if ya'll could put it all together.
 
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BudBarry said:
You guys are scary enough, talent wise. Lawdy help college football if ya'll could put it all together.
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That's why I'm starting to get very frustrated, we are loaded with talent. I don't expect to set records or anything but scoring more than 17 points in regulation and getting the ball in the hands of our play makers would be nice.
 
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#94
I will say it partly the scheme, which is somewhat inflexible and predictable and the conservative nature of the coaches. There have been many times that the team could have went for the jugular and closed the deal. Seems to me that the offense is not suited to playing the clock, as well. The offense is far too one dimensional.
 
#95
#95
Sitting here watching the Bama Ole Piss game after the Vols took care of business. Ole Piss just had 4th and goal and Freeze didn't just "take the points". He went for it and scored a touchdown against Bama. Playing to Win.....
 
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deaconkane said:
With qb play doing the option 98% of the time that adds a second before the qb can even go thru his progressions. This gives the defense extra time to blitz, get up on coverage and takes away the quick strike throw. I agree with everything you have said, not that it matters. Lol
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Good point on the read option or whatever the staff wants to call it.
 
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jimallvol said:
I agree. Its kinda sad to see a Tulsa team rack up the yards on a OU defense that pretty much owned us for 3 quarters
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Some of you say that Tenn dominated for three quarters and now, given the Tulsa game, all of sudden OU dominated for three quarters. I'm confused.
You guys can't have it both ways just to fit your agenda
 
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#100
99gator said:
To try to answer the question, I don't think Dobbs throws the football very well.

I don't think he throws it so poorly that they can't get more production from the passing game.

But, in order for the stuff Tennessee likes to run to work, it would help if they can make the defense back up.

If Tennessee had a dominant offensive line, they could run the ball without threatening a defense downfield through the air. But, they don't.

So, you are pretty much defending sideline to sideline for 10 yards. After that, you take your chances. Nothing is between the hashmarks either.

Again, even with that, they can be more creative.
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I see a lot of truth in this post...so far. Even watching the WC game last night our O didn't look crisp....just had far superior talent
 
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