Playing to win vs playing not to lose

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OU's D has been on its heels most of the day as Tulsa has taken the fight to them the way I hoped UT would. Right now, they have over 600 yds of offense vs the 254 UT had last week. How do you explain that?

So, am I right and this is just a game management philosophy problem with Jones being too conservative?

Is it his scheme?

Is it players and player development?

Do you think Tulsa is more talented than UT considering their OL isn't getting abused, receivers are getting open, and RB's are having consistent success?



I will say honestly for the first time I'm beginning to question Jones' offensive scheme. It doesn't get players open. It doesn't seem to help OL's open holes or keep a pocket. It seems to be very, very easy to defend.



So what is your opinion... or excuse... for Tulsa basically raping a D that UT couldn't move the ball on for 3 quarters?
 
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How about Oklahoma was a little more excited to play a ranked Tennessee team at Neyland versus playing a Tulsa team that was 2-10 a year ago. Get over yourself
 
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sjt18 said:
OU's D has been on its heels most of the day as Tulsa has taken the fight to them the way I hoped UT would. Right now, they have over 600 yds of offense vs the 254 UT had last week. How do you explain that?

So, am I right and this is just a game management philosophy problem with Jones being too conservative?

Is it his scheme?

Is it players and player development?

Do you think Tulsa is more talented than UT considering their OL isn't getting abused, receivers are getting open, and RB's are having consistent success?



I will say honestly for the first time I'm beginning to question Jones' offensive scheme. It doesn't get players open. It doesn't seem to help OL's open holes or keep a pocket. It seems to be very, very easy to defend.



So what is your opinion... or excuse... for Tulsa basically raping a D that UT couldn't move the ball on for 3 quarters?
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I think you, and pretty much the rest of this board need to move on from a loss against a higher ranked team that really doesn't matter. Last time I checked OU isn't in the SEC, and two games are not enough to measure the success of a football team.
 
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sjt18 said:
Is it his scheme?

I will say honestly for the first time I'm beginning to question Jones' offensive scheme. It doesn't get players open. It doesn't seem to help OL's open holes or keep a pocket. It seems to be very, very easy to defend.
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I thought Bajayjay was the worst in-game coordinator I have ever seen. I've hated lining up in the shotgun on every snap for the last three years. But, I've waited for Butch to get the talent and given him two years to get his scheme established.

IMHO, the Florida game is Judgment Day on his scheme. Right now, it is EASILY defeated by jamming the middle and playing man-up on the outside. It's been exposed multiple times now.

Butch brought Debord because he is wedded to his offense. Either it gets it done against a solid defense next week, or it is over, Rock. Start photoshopping Ron Zook's face on CBJ.
 
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Nice excuse bub
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You honestly think Oklahoma is playing with the same kind of excitement today as a week ago?? It's not an excuse. Michigan St just got out gained in total yardage against Air Force today. I guess Dantonio better fire his defensive coordinator. Oklahoma is a little flat today just like Michigan St was
 
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Bukowskified said:
I think you, and pretty much the rest of this board need to move on from a loss against a higher ranked team that really doesn't matter. Last time I checked OU isn't in the SEC, and two games are not enough to measure the success of a football team.
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Exactly.

At least the Vols got a participation trophy.

Jones will offer the first 20,000 fans through the door brick shaped cookies and orange kool aid for the homecoming game against North Texas.

Who cares if they win.
 
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IBleedOrange said:
How about Oklahoma was a little more excited to play a ranked Tennessee team at Neyland versus playing a Tulsa team that was 2-10 a year ago. Get over yourself
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Didn't you know? No team in the history of football has ever overlooked an inferior team. It just doesn't happen. (sarcasm btw)
 
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The OU game is done. But your question about the UT offense is interesting. The scheme is conservative by design. The only element which isn't conservative is the up tempo play. We have a run heavy, low risk philosophy. The only time CBJ has been unorthodox is out of necessity (UGA, USCe, etc). With that said, we have problems at Oline and WR. Oline has improved from last year but last season's line was so horrid that's not saying much. WRs....I don't have a clue what that unit's problem is.

Why did you think CBJ's offense was going to be aggressive in the first place when he was hired? Was Cincinnati setting the college football world on fire with its offense?
 
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IBleedOrange said:
How about Oklahoma was a little more excited to play a ranked Tennessee team at Neyland versus playing a Tulsa team that was 2-10 a year ago. Get over yourself
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It has nothing to do with me being "over myself". Get over YOURSELF and stop being a coward. What's the reason? Or are you just too much of a coward to discuss it?
 
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sjt18 said:
OU's D has been on its heels most of the day as Tulsa has taken the fight to them the way I hoped UT would. Right now, they have over 600 yds of offense vs the 254 UT had last week. How do you explain that?

So, am I right and this is just a game management philosophy problem with Jones being too conservative?

Is it his scheme?

Is it players and player development?

Do you think Tulsa is more talented than UT considering their OL isn't getting abused, receivers are getting open, and RB's are having consistent success?



I will say honestly for the first time I'm beginning to question Jones' offensive scheme. It doesn't get players open. It doesn't seem to help OL's open holes or keep a pocket. It seems to be very, very easy to defend.



So what is your opinion... or excuse... for Tulsa basically raping a D that UT couldn't move the ball on for 3 quarters?
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There seems to be little, if any, ability or desire to change up what they try to do in any way.

Last season, they tried to force Worley into being a running QB when it was painfully obvious to everyone, especially to Worley, that he couldn't do it.

Throughout the two plus seasons we have seen this offense now, there has been limited success in the passing game. I can't say that a single wide receiver has improved their route running. Of course, when the coaches seems to have thrown out 80% of the route tree, it's easy to see why.

Although it is early, Dobbs has seemed to stagnate in his ability to get through reads quickly and his passing has not gotten any better on down field throws or in overall accuracy. It's a small sample size, but his accuracy has actually been significantly worse through two games. I just hope DeBord finding a flaw in his motion upon arriving isn't similar to the flaw Fulmer "fixed" in Crompton either.

Their running game seems predicated on hoping Dobbs or Hurd or Kamara can break loose because their O line is just as passive and lackadaisical this year as they were last year in run blocking. Beating up on the Bolwing Greens of the world is nice for the stats, but OK completely dominated the LOS last week in the second half.

I'd say scheme and development are fast becoming concerns for this offense.
 
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sjt18 said:
It has nothing to do with me being "over myself". Get over YOURSELF and stop being a coward. What's the reason? Or are you just too much of a coward to discuss it?
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The transitive property does not work in sports. The OK Tulsa game has literally nothing to do with our game.
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
There seems to be little, if any, ability or desire to change up what they try to do in any way.

Last season, they tried to force Worley into being a running QB when it was painfully obvious to everyone, especially to Worley, that he couldn't do it.

Throughout the two plus seasons we have seen this offense now, there has been limited success in the passing game. I can't say that a single wide receiver has improved their route running. Of course, when the coaches seems to have thrown out 80% of the route tree, it's easy to see why.

Although it is early, Dobbs has seemed to stagnate in his ability to get through reads quickly and his passing has not gotten any better on down field throws or in overall accuracy. It's a small sample size, but his accuracy has actually been significantly worse through two games. I just hope DeBord finding a flaw in his motion upon arriving isn't similar to the flaw Fulmer "fixed" in Crompton either.

Their running game seems predicated on hoping Dobbs or Hurd or Kamara can break loose because their O line is just as passive and lackadaisical this year as they were last year in run blocking. Beating up on the Bolwing Greens of the world is nice for the stats, but OK completely dominated the LOS last week in the second half.

I'd say scheme and development are fast becoming concerns for this offense.
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Last year I kept saying Butch is trying to implement his system come hell or high water. Now I wonder...
 
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sjt18 said:
OU's D has been on its heels most of the day as Tulsa has taken the fight to them the way I hoped UT would. Right now, they have over 600 yds of offense vs the 254 UT had last week. How do you explain that?

So, am I right and this is just a game management philosophy problem with Jones being too conservative?

Is it his scheme?

Is it players and player development?

Do you think Tulsa is more talented than UT considering their OL isn't getting abused, receivers are getting open, and RB's are having consistent success?



I will say honestly for the first time I'm beginning to question Jones' offensive scheme. It doesn't get players open. It doesn't seem to help OL's open holes or keep a pocket. It seems to be very, very easy to defend.



So what is your opinion... or excuse... for Tulsa basically raping a D that UT couldn't move the ball on for 3 quarters?
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Ho Hum!!!!!! :snoring::whistling: fahr butch---fahr debord----shoulda hahred Strong----WAIT:popcorn:
 
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Bukowskified said:
I think you, and pretty much the rest of this board need to move on from a loss against a higher ranked team that really doesn't matter. Last time I checked OU isn't in the SEC, and two games are not enough to measure the success of a football team.
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Nothing to do with "moving on" either. This isn't about OU per se. It is about UT's O as compared to a mid-major. UT's O couldn't move the ball vs OU. OU couldn't stop Tulsa a week later at home.

Tulsa just put to bed the notion that OU was just such a great defensive team that it wasn't reasonable to expect UT to move the ball.

So how about growing some... gumption... and try answering the question?
 
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sjt18 said:
Nothing to do with "moving on" either. This isn't about OU per se. It is about UT's O as compared to a mid-major. UT's O couldn't move the ball vs OU. OU couldn't stop Tulsa a week later at home.

Tulsa just put to bed the notion that OU was just such a great defensive team that it wasn't reasonable to expect UT to move the ball.

So how about growing some... gumption... and try answering the question?
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I hope we see a different team and coaching mentality for the rest of the season. Got to play loose and coach loose. Turn it on.
 
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Tulsa's HC was an Asst Coach under Art Briles at Baylor. He also coached under Briles at Stepensville, TX, U of Houston as well. Montgomery just took the Tulsa job in December of 2014 after HC Bill Blankenship resigned (Blankenship was the longtime HS coach at Tulsa Union, former QB at Tulsa and was a QB in HS in Spiro, OK). Montgomery has the same attack philosophy as Briles. Tulsa isn't what Tulsa was several years ago when they were competitive at the D1 level (took Miami to the wire a couple of times when Miami was very competitive). Every coach has their way of doing things. I wouldn't say that Tulsa is any better today than TN or OK was last week. Each week is different.
 
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