Players only meeting Sunday

[LebanonVolunteer]

Dooley was the ONLY coach? Maybe for 2 million dollars he was. Hamilton was shopping with bottom of the SEC money. It makes sense we got a bottom of the SEC type coach.


I get the excuses you try to use. I just don't buy it. Dooley's issues in year 3 have NOTHING to do with Fulmer. Is it Fulmers fault Lane ran off a bunch of the players he recruited? Is it Fulmers fault that kids who had been on the roster 2-3 years after he was fired were not coached up by Kiffin and or Dooley? You make it sound like Dooley was starting a new football program from scratch. I get that is what you try and portray, it's just not the case. Dooley is a losing coach. He always has been. Blaming Fulmer for Dooley losing is just a reach at best. I understand your feeling you need to justify the loses somehow. I just don't agree.

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

And no program in America wanted Fulmer. All that needs to be said about him.

Best UT coach since Neyland, and had he stayed, he had some great recruits like Berry, we'd likely have had at least one more SEC title....and at least we'd have some staff who actually were UT alumni as well. Hard to restore Tennessee pride in a staff largely from other universities. You can spin it the way you like Fulmer WON games, he was a Vol for life, and he filled the NFL with players he coached to that level, he did have a slump, but he was recruiting good players and sending them to the NFL to the end, and had devoted players. He won us a national championship, and there is ZERO justification to firing a favored son who had brought us from the 80's into national contention mid season it was classless, and I don't blame good coaches for not wanting to be apart of a school that does that. I know the actual UT player alumni are still disgusted by it. Just go play with your Kiffin cups. I think the curse is deserved.

As far as meeting goes, it's nice....but honestly that meeting needed to occur during the spring/summer. We've seen this before but come 3rd and 4th quarter you see the same dragging of feet.....less talk, and more doing. If we had lost all these games fighting tooth and nail to the end I wouldn't feel so bad, but that's not what has been happening.......We had teams with much less talant in the 80's who fought for it with their all for four quarters.....I have my doubts this team has leadership to change to that kind of team. I would love to see it.....but that team meeting needed to be happening in March like it did with Big Al before our NC year.....not mid way through a season.

I like Dooley as a person, he's just good people.....but this much I know now, he may end up being a good coach, but I just don't think he will ever be a great coach.....when teams for this many years turn off the gas before the game is close to over....man there's just not a lot of inspiration there. I'll be happy if he and the team prove me wrong. I want them to succeed....but he's got one more year...and that's it....only because I would at least like to see him stay through HIS seniors. Also because I think the last thing we need to do is fire another coach without a plan beyond, which they don't have. But the search should start now. We're CLOSE in alot of these games....but we had the talant to win...just not the heart.

 

[allvol123]

Fulmer got lazy. His problem he got fired, not the fans.

 

[tennvols77]

Stop it guy. You sound like an uninformed person who should listen to what people are telling you. Hamilton was shopping with bottom of the ......get the f*** out of here--NO BODY WANTED TO COME HERE BECAUSE OF THE DEBACLE THAT HAD BECOME TENNESSEE FOOTBALL DUE TO PHIL- PERIOD- END OF DISCUSSION--
you hate Dooley that's fine but you are talking out your a**

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

Fulmer got lazy. His problem he got fired, not the fans.

With fans like you who needs rivals?

Also to the other guy I been at this longer then you been walking....and those that supposedly "know" so much have been wrong season after season...I didn't think much of the logic in the beginning, and time has only proven the poor judgment, and only the stubborness is able to defend it.

No I don't dislike Dooley I like him, I like him a lot......but liking someone is different then analyzing their performance. We are not losing for lack of talant, and he's been a great recruiter. However the team still lacks discipline, and it still lacks motivation in the second half. Maybe it's not his fault....but it's certainly not to his credit. I am still hopeful that next year he can turn it around, we're very close this year, everyone of our losses we were not as far off as it sometimes seemed....but until we got teams that give four quarters of total effort....there will be no return to greatness. Now someone I dislike as aperson is probably Majors....but I respect the heck out of him for motivation....he certainly motivated less talanted teams to tough it out to the bitter end. Bryant likewise often did not always have the best talant he certainly didn't have Saban's stable, but he inspired every team to think and act like champions....he was a SOB in the real world often too, but you have to respect him. I like Dooley better then many coaches....but the team is not acting like a team that has been inspired. It lacks discipline, it lacks heart....and that is apparent. It COULD win alot of these games with it's current talant if it had those.

For all of you who want to hang on to your Fulmer bashing...this much I'll wager neither Kiffen nor Dooley will ever achieve Fulmer's record. They certainly will not achieve a Neyland, Bryant, or etc dynasty. So if you dislike his record so much, I have got to wonder about why you defend these lesser coaches, other then your pride in your bad judgement.

 

[allvol123]

With fans like you who needs rivals?

With fans like you why have W's and L's when we can measure the coach in Facebook likes.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

Stop it guy. You sound like an uninformed person who should listen to what people are telling you. Hamilton was shopping with bottom of the ......get the f*** out of here--NO BODY WANTED TO COME HERE BECAUSE OF THE DEBACLE THAT HAD BECOME TENNESSEE FOOTBALL DUE TO PHIL- PERIOD- END OF DISCUSSION--
you hate Dooley that's fine but you are talking out your a**

Noone has proof that Hamilton was offering anything more than 2 million type money. Fulmer made 2 million, Kiffin made 2 million, and now Dooley makes the same. I see a pattern here. You can tell yourself noone wanted the job for any amount of money. I just say it's BS. You can go into a Mercedes dealer looking for a 600S class for 3800 bucks. Just because you can't get one, does not mean you could not drive one home for 160 grand.

 

[Oskie Volum]

LebanonVol - Dooley got here with no QB that had suited up for UT on the roster. He got here at the same time as an EE freshman and a JUCO transfer. He's had to do with what he's had to. Like it or not he's had to make due. Bray has his issues but the Os #s are really good. He also hasn't had competition to make him better. Unfortunately this year their #s needed to be even better than they have been cause of the defenses transition. Which I believe is why CDD can't be let go cause Hart fully knew that it was going to be tough, but imo they decided on the transition this year cause they figured the O would cover the Ds issues. Unfortunately, the O hasn't been doing it as much as they need to. Blame can go either way on why but everyone here can go back to a loss this year and find a offensive play that had a mistake in it that could have changed the course of the game in our favor. I.e DYs fumble in Miss St game , CPs drop for a TD in UGA game, Hunter not catching the 3rd down pass in the UF game. I'm sure all the monday coaches on here can come up with things the coaches have done wrong too.

He may not have taken over a program to build from scratch but I'll be DA*NED if it wasnt pretty dang close to it. UT FOOTBALL and the AD was in complete disarray, and still trying to climb out of it. If you can't see that then u need to. Otherwise you're just being ignorant.
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[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

With fans like you why have W's and L's when we can measure the coach in Facebook likes.

I have no idea what that even means.

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

Noone has proof that Hamilton was offering anything more than 2 million type money. Fulmer made 2 million, Kiffin made 2 million, and now Dooley makes the same. I see a pattern here. You can tell yourself noone wanted the job for any amount of money. I just say it's BS. You can go into a Mercedes dealer looking for a 600S class for 3800 bucks. Just because you can't get one, does not mean you could not drive one home for 160 grand.

If it's all about Money why come the Ducks don't win it every year?

Or for that matter how is it Spurrier and South Carolina keep doing well and improving? Cause he's not getting much more then 2 either, and as a program they have never spent that much.... There's alot of expensive pricey lemons out there.....

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

If it's all about Money why come the Ducks don't win it every year?

Or for that matter how is it Spurrier and South Carolina keep doing well and improving? Cause he's not getting much more then 2 either, and as a program they have never spent that much.... There's alot of expensive pricey lemons out there.....

I think Spurrier makes about 3 million. He would make more, but told his AD to spread it around to his assistants. For a coach to demand 3 million +, he usually has to have a pretty strong resume. I agree there are alot of overpaid lemons out there. We don't have to worry about that, as we shop with less than Vandy does when it comes to coaches.

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

He makes 2.8 ANd hey maybe we should recruit some Vandy people....their Defense makes our looks like HS B ball with a lot less. They SHOULD have won SC game, if not for that bad lack of call on the pass interference. We're in no position to bad mouth Vandy defense anyway.

 

[sjt18]

Dooley was the ONLY coach? Maybe for 2 million dollars he was. Hamilton was shopping with bottom of the SEC money. It makes sense we got a bottom of the SEC type coach.

Put yourself in the shoes of a top tier coach when the UT job came open 2 weeks before NSD with a horrible returning roster and potential NCAA problems. How stupid... I mean bad stupid... would it have been to take the UT job for $4 million when you could take a much safer job for less money... but better prospects for advancing your career and making money over time?

I get the excuses you try to use. I just don't buy it.

These aren't excuses. They're facts. It does not change anything. Dooley has to prove he belongs. The end. He's had 3 years to show it. This year was his critical year. He hasn't gotten it done. The prospects look bleak for him.

I believe you are the one that keeps wanting to talk about the first two years. I agree that the team is his now. I agree that he isn't getting it done and that there should be a change if something does not happen quick.

Dooley's issues in year 3 have NOTHING to do with Fulmer. Is it Fulmers fault Lane ran off a bunch of the players he recruited? Is it Fulmers fault that kids who had been on the roster 2-3 years after he was fired were not coached up by Kiffin and or Dooley? You make it sound like Dooley was starting a new football program from scratch. I get that is what you try and portray, it's just not the case. Dooley is a losing coach. He always has been. Blaming Fulmer for Dooley losing is just a reach at best. I understand your feeling you need to justify the loses somehow. I just don't agree.

Kiffin bears some blame. But most of it belongs to Fulmer. He got lazy. He came to believe he was bigger than the program. He stopped holding anyone accountable including himself. His teams weren't competing vs the top tier. He was still beating lower teams but he wouldn't be doing that now. Everyone has upgraded.

His recruiting was bad. His discipline was worse. Attrition for various reasons was already high before Kiffin chased off slackers.

 

[sjt18]

Fulmer was Fulmer's problem. No one else. The program began to decline after the NC. There were a few upward spikes but you can look at offensive output as an indicator. It declined primarily due to his inability to get elite players like those he had in the 90's.

 

[grimvol]

AJ and Herman led a players only meeting Sunday. Basically said those that didn't want to be on the team and give their all needed to quit the team. Hood said the teams cares about Dooley and that he loves Tennessee and they felt responsible for not doing their part in ensuring Dooley stays the head coach at UT. Full article on VQ for those that want and can read the entire article. I wanted to post this mainly for those that say Dooley has lost the team. Not the case. Go Vols!

LOL...ok...NOW let's have a players only meeting...the week before they play the College football equivalent to God. LOL

 

[Nashvol2]

then how does anyone ever win a road game?

Haha. Typical. I didn't say it was the only thing that mattered. In fact its one of the least but some here want to act like it has no impact and it simply isn't true. It has an impact on recruits, their families, the opposing teams communications, their intimidation and focus, and the emotion of our own team.

 

[sjt18]

BTW, if they beat Bama... it was genius. If they don't, it was just another sign of people desperately trying to pump water out of a sinking ship.

 

[Nashvol2]

Where in my post did I say anything close to that? Oh that's right I didn't. DA
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By saying it's typical for the players to miss the previous coach. Your downplaying the actions of team leaders on this team. The combination of maturity and adversity create team leadership. The best teams discipline themselves and that culture is not created overnight and it won't just pop up out of no where when "the next coach arrives."

 

[Nashvol2]

BTW, if they beat Bama... it was genius. If they don't, it was just another sign of people desperately trying to pump water out of a sinking ship.

I'm assuming sarcasm. The team is not worried about the analysis of their actions. Atleast not from pundits or "fans."

 

[SalsBakedZiti]

We have a bunch of crybaby fans who want what they want and they want it NOW.

And I want to win cause I'm Mr. Vain.

 

[WhiteRhino]

We have a bunch of crybaby fans who want what they want and they want it NOW.
Dont try to reason with them. They would be calling for DD's head if he had beaten MSU.
They will call for his head if we somehow manage to get to 8-4 this year.
Anything less than perfection is unacceptable to them. Perhaps they should look in the mirror.............

And I agree that a lot of it is the frustration of watching a proud program take so long to rebuilt; perhaps they arent young enough to remember the late 70s and early 80s.......
Say what you want about the 90s but they ruined us as fans..........

The 90's should be the blueprint for Tennessee, not wrapping our arms around mediocrity and saying" Just you wait till next year!"

 

[alaVOL]

Kinda got away from the thread there.....

 

[WhiteRhino]

Kinda got away from the thread there.....

It was inevitable......

 

[VolsRule]

at the players meeting, did some players stand up and express their anger about how other players aren't stepping up and demanding answers?

 

[BaldBiker]

at the players meeting, did some players stand up and express their anger about how other players aren't stepping up and demanding answers?

Or ask about the players who have had all off season and six games to learn plays and still can't seem to get their assignments right on D? (talking to you DB's)