Players only meeting Sunday

[Negateer]

bus is already headed down hill and its loaded with all of us Tennessee fans..

No, it's filled with a small minority of fans, and more than a few trolls from other teams.

But those fans and trolls are really really loud and obnoxious.

Most fans support the program. Most fans arent in your little whiney bus to loserdom.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

No, if you get your way, the team will lose recruits again thru attrition, and in 3 or 4 more years you'll be trying to get THAT coach fired, like you did with Fulmer, and like you're doing with Dooley.

You're just a troll from another team, here to help bring the program down.

A candy fan, most likely.

lol:

Obviously you do not follow my opinions very close because I have always said I was fine with Fulmer staying. I felt he had earned at least another year to fix things. 15 years of winning, usually calls for that along with 19 wins wrapped around the 2 losing seasons. If you think my rants to fire Dooley has lost us any recruits, please supply me the recruits statements saying as much. I will wait........




I am not a troll as you claim. You use the term troll toward someone who does not fall in line with your mindset. That is not my problem, it's yours. You choose to support a loser and that is on you. I choose to seek out a way to get us back to winning. IMO, that calls for a new head coach. If that makes me a "troll", just pay me the fee to cross my bridge and get on your way.

lol:

 

[kohlrums]

No, if you get your way, the team will lose recruits again thru attrition, and in 3 or 4 more years you'll be trying to get THAT coach fired, like you did with Fulmer, and like you're doing with Dooley.

You're just a troll from another team, here to help bring the program down.

A candy fan, most likely.

Maybe I'm being optimistic, but I don't think attrition would be quite as bad this time around-especially depending on who they hire (if Dooley is fired).

 

[sjt18]

lol:

Obviously you do not follow my opinions very close because I have always said I was fine with Fulmer staying. I felt he had earned at least another year to fix things. 15 years of winning, usually calls for that along with 19 wins wrapped around the 2 losing seasons. If you think my rants to fire Dooley has lost us any recruits, please supply me the recruits statements saying as much. I will wait........

So you were OK with Fulmer getting more time after he wrecked the program and showed no signs of correcting it.... but want Dooley fired because he didn't clean up Fulmer's mess as fast as you wanted? Ummm, OK.


Just to jog the memories of rational folks who may not remember. Discipline was horrible with constant player issues. UT had not recruited a real DT in YEARS. Skill position talent had fallen off. UT MAY have had 6 SEC caliber OL's even counting those not really ready to play. Both the players and coaches had become lazy and "entitled".

Kiffin was appalled at how poorly the returning players practiced. He ran guys off who flat out refused to work. He ended up starting the Sullins bros and a RS Fr on the OL because Fulmer had left NOTHING. Crompton was the option at QB... and no one behind him worth considering.

 

[preacherm49]

I love the competitive spirit in our players and their support of Coach Dooley, but the bottom-line is not just competing and losing, it is competing and winning football games. All Big Orange fans have rooted for Dooley's and our team's success. If we could just play 4 quarters of great football on both ends, the wins will come! Unfortunately, under Dooley's tenure, this has been few and far between especially against SEC and nationally ranked teams! If we could just beat Alabama this Saturday and win out the rest of the season, I think Coach Dooley would be safe.

 

[Boston Vol]

Maybe I'm being optimistic, but I don't think attrition would be quite as bad this time around-especially depending on who they hire (if Dooley is fired).

That can't defend the results that he has produced so they use absurd arguments like "attrition" or "we will lose recruits." You fire people for what they have failed to do. You can't worry about what might happen.

 

[Neyland2nd2none]

Maybe I'm being optimistic, but I don't think attrition would be quite as bad this time around-especially depending on who they hire (if Dooley is fired).

Agree. If the right hire is made attrition shouldn't be a big problem. Unless the new HC cuts a lot of dead weight & that may not be a bad thing.

Also, assuming we get a big time coach, our recruiting class wouldn't crumble like people think. If anything we'd be getting more interest from elite level players imo.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

So you were OK with Fulmer getting more time after he wrecked the program and showed no signs of correcting it.... but want Dooley fired because he didn't clean up Fulmer's mess as fast as you wanted? Ummm, OK.


Just to jog the memories of rational folks who may not remember. Discipline was horrible with constant player issues. UT had not recruited a real DT in YEARS. Skill position talent had fallen off. UT MAY have had 6 SEC caliber OL's even counting those not really ready to play. Both the players and coaches had become lazy and "entitled".

Kiffin was appalled at how poorly the returning players practiced. He ran guys off who flat out refused to work. He ended up starting the Sullins bros and a RS Fr on the OL because Fulmer had left NOTHING. Crompton was the option at QB... and no one behind him worth considering.

Just because you seek out an excuse for Dooley, does not mean your "stories" are fact. Did Fulmer wreck the program? He had A losing season followed by 9 wins and 10 wins the next two. Then he had another losing season. Would we have lost to Wyoming had he not been fired that week? I tend to doubt it. Who knows. Fulmers last 3 recruiting classes included 2 classes in the top 10 in the country. Just because Kiffy or Dooley could not do anything with the talent, does not mean there was not any there. Dooley started here with a roster of around 70 kids. It takes 22 to field an offense and a defense. I would bet the 70 3-4 star talent on the roster at that time, would be more talent than Vandy/UK/or similar schools had. In year 2, Dooley did even worse. Year 3, the offense is a little better, but the defense looks like a 7 man high school team playing against the New York Jets each week. We are 3 years into this "project" and blaming Fulmer is just a lame excuse.

 

[VolBeef88]

This is typical. Once we get a new coach the players will talk about how they will miss coach Dooley but now they're focused on the team and looking forward to playing for coach _______. Etc. Etc...
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[Rudy123]

At least we have a good roster, if Bray, Hunter & Patterson stay on the team rather than do something stupid like declare for the N.F.L.
New coach has a roster to work with, at least.

 

[sjt18]

Just because you seek out an excuse for Dooley,

That's either stupid or blind ignorance. I have repeatedly over the past few weeks said that Dooley should not even finish the season if he's 3-5 after USCe. What exactly am I excusing him from? He had a tough challenge when he started. Recognizing that does not mean that the program's welfare does not come first and is not best served by replacing Dooley if he loses the next two games proving that he does not deserve to keep the job. He lost the three most "winnable" games vs ranked opponents. Now IMO he needs to beat one of the last two to get next year.

does not mean your "stories" are fact.

Nope... being true makes them fact.

Did Fulmer wreck the program?

Yes. He did.

His teams became undisciplined both on and off the field.

He tolerated much less than excellence from his assistants.

Recruiting fell off significantly.

He was consistently outclassed by the better coaches since 2000.

He had A losing season followed by 9 wins and 10 wins the next two. Then he had another losing season. Would we have lost to Wyoming had he not been fired that week? I tend to doubt it. Who knows.

The problems were systemic and were NOT getting better. Had he been the coach in '09 it would have been two losing seasons in a row. Even when he got highly rated players, discipline issues took many off the roster before they contributed.

Fulmers last 3 recruiting classes included 2 classes in the top 10 in the country.

No they didn't. The 08 class ranked worse than 30th even before losing 3 of its 4 4* guys before they contributed. Worse yet, the "jewel" of those last 3 years was 2007 which was a complete bust outside of Berry.

The roster that Kiffin then Dooley has had to deal with for the 3 years previous to this one was the creation of Fulmer's decline.

Just because Kiffy or Dooley could not do anything with the talent, does not mean there was not any there.

No. Not being there meant that it wasn't there. Now you're just writing stupid stuff. The roster was an absolute wreck. Go back and pull those rosters and show me that talent.

Dooley started here with a roster of around 70 kids. It takes 22 to field an offense and a defense. I would bet the 70 3-4 star talent on the roster at that time, would be more talent than Vandy/UK/or similar schools had.

And you would be wrong. IIRC, 4 true Fr started on the OL in DD's first year. What little talent Fulmer had left... graduated. The lone Sr that year was a guy beaten out by the Sullins bros the year before. In all, about 17 Fr were forced to play because nothing had been left primarily by Fulmer but Kiffin didn't help much either.

In year 2, Dooley did even worse.

With an even younger team. The guys who played the year before were still just Sophs... and 16 more Fr played that year.

Year 3, the offense is a little better,

LOL... "a little"? Statistically, the O is the best UT has had in YEARS. Please cite the last time UT avg'd 482 ypg in their first 6 games. When have they avg'd 38 ppg? Chaney's consistency at OC has alot to do with this.

but the defense looks like a 7 man high school team playing against the New York Jets each week. We are 3 years into this "project" and blaming Fulmer is just a lame excuse.

This year IS on Dooley. Almost all of the failures of Fulmer and Kiffin have been purged as far as personnel are concerned. He's had time if he knows what he's doing. This years problems are NOT due to talent or experience or physical development.

 

[Nashvol2]

This is typical. Once we get a new coach the players will talk about how they will miss coach Dooley but now they're focused on the team and looking forward to playing for coach _______. Etc. Etc...
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Yeah! Screw the players. There will be more to come along.

 

[VolBeef88]

Yeah! Screw the players. There will be more to come along.

Where in my post did I say anything close to that? Oh that's right I didn't. DA
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[BigPapaVol]

Ignorant comment is ignorant. Have you ever played the game? Football is about emotion and channeling that emotion. The atmosphere is very important and if you can't understand that than I'm not gonna waste my time explaining it.

then how does anyone ever win a road game?

 

[BeecherVol]

then how does anyone ever win a road game?

Vanderbilt

duh.

 

[VolsFan1983]

I am glad to see a players meeting called, and on top of that it was called by defensive players, which shows me they know they are definately the weakest link right now...This team needs some players to step up and get in other players a**es...You can go on the coaching rampage all you want but folks bottom line, is if your will take your "fire dooley" glasses off and look at the real picture, majority of mistakes that have cost us ballgames this year, have nothing to do with coaching and everything to do with the players on the field..How many big 3rd downs have we seen Hunter drop this year, when there was no excuse for dropping them...Or against Georgia, defense had them third down deep in own territory, and a defensive back completely missed a one on one tackle that would have got us the ball back with good field position...Tyler bray not hanging on to the ball on final drive against Georgia..Devrins fumble against MSU...Come on!!! That has nothing to do with coaching...I dont care who you have as coach, when things like that happen, your still gonna lose! Period! I am still a believer that all this team needs is one big win before you see this team take off and go on a roll...Does it happen this weekend, who knows but I will believe it will til the clock strikes 00:00 in the Fourth quarter...Go Vols!eace2:

 

[sbigdaddy]

It is refreshing to hear the team is meeting to try and resolve some of the issues relating to us loosing some games in the key moments. For some reason we bloggers tend to forget that these young men between the ages of 18 and 22 are human and they need a lot of support with helping them go through this tough transition. We tend to forget that this team is much better than last years team, and may I add the run game has made MAJOR improvements. What concerns me is that some people are miserable on these blogs because they sit behind the computer talk trash and make saracastic comments about a game most of them have NEVER played.. Wish you could be out there is more like it. I am for the UT VOLS 4 Life. Not only when they win but when they loose.. Thought a true fan sticks with it's team no matter what. Tyler might have a point if you truly bleed orange then you don't diss the orange... Just saying. GO VOLS! We got your back!

 

[sbigdaddy]

Truth be told.... Fulmer stop recruiting his last few years at UT they were not getting the 4 and 5 star athletes like in the past. Kiffin was able to get a lot of those guys and a lot with character issues but he did what he could to bring some exciting play to Knoxville. He left for his dream job... I dont like the way he left but it was his dream job.. Dooley inherited a mess with it all. Poor recruiting by Fulmer the last 5 years prior to Kiffin taking over and Dooley is just cleaning up a mess. Now with that being said, he needs to win and win fast, but how many new coaches and changes do you want to see in building a program... So if we fire him who lining up to come here? Last I checked the line was a short line and not too many other names are out there... Not to say Dooley is the end all be all. But his tenure is apart of the rebuilding process and I support it. I am not a fix it now person and roll with the hot topic of the day. Building programs winning programs takes a stragetic view Not a bloggers drunk view... Just saying GO VOLS!

 

[Orange&WhiteLife]

That's either stupid or blind ignorance. I have repeatedly over the past few weeks said that Dooley should not even finish the season if he's 3-5 after USCe. What exactly am I excusing him from? He had a tough challenge when he started. Recognizing that does not mean that the program's welfare does not come first and is not best served by replacing Dooley if he loses the next two games proving that he does not deserve to keep the job. He lost the three most "winnable" games vs ranked opponents. Now IMO he needs to beat one of the last two to get next year.

Nope... being true makes them fact. Yes. He did.

His teams became undisciplined both on and off the field.

He tolerated much less than excellence from his assistants.

Recruiting fell off significantly.

He was consistently outclassed by the better coaches since 2000.

The problems were systemic and were NOT getting better. Had he been the coach in '09 it would have been two losing seasons in a row. Even when he got highly rated players, discipline issues took many off the roster before they contributed.

No they didn't. The 08 class ranked worse than 30th even before losing 3 of its 4 4* guys before they contributed. Worse yet, the "jewel" of those last 3 years was 2007 which was a complete bust outside of Berry.

The roster that Kiffin then Dooley has had to deal with for the 3 years previous to this one was the creation of Fulmer's decline.

No. Not being there meant that it wasn't there. Now you're just writing stupid stuff. The roster was an absolute wreck. Go back and pull those rosters and show me that talent.

And you would be wrong. IIRC, 4 true Fr started on the OL in DD's first year. What little talent Fulmer had left... graduated. The lone Sr that year was a guy beaten out by the Sullins bros the year before. In all, about 17 Fr were forced to play because nothing had been left primarily by Fulmer but Kiffin didn't help much either. With an even younger team. The guys who played the year before were still just Sophs... and 16 more Fr played that year.

LOL... "a little"? Statistically, the O is the best UT has had in YEARS. Please cite the last time UT avg'd 482 ypg in their first 6 games. When have they avg'd 38 ppg? Chaney's consistency at OC has alot to do with this.



This year IS on Dooley. Almost all of the failures of Fulmer and Kiffin have been purged as far as personnel are concerned. He's had time if he knows what he's doing. This years problems are NOT due to talent or experience or physical development.

This is the best response to Lebanon, ever. Clear, concise.

He wants to argue facts against Dooley but has his head in the sand over Fulmer.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Every team that sucks has a players only meeting, and on top of that, why go blab to the media about it?

 

[m1al]

Fulmers last 3 recruiting classes included 2 classes in the top 10 in the country.

Incorrect.. CPFs last 3 classes were '06, '07 and '08 which, according to Scout, finished 24th, 4th and 35th respectively..

Another little fact, CPFs last two classes ('07 & '08) combined with CLKs class ('09) only produced 3 multi-year starters out of 31 four star signees...

** A note about CPFs 4th ranked class in '07.. He achieved this by signing 32 players (6 top 100 and 4 four star recruits).. That same year USC had the 2nd ranked class by signing 18 players (12 top 100 and 10 four star recruits)...

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

Incorrect.. CPFs last 3 classes were '06, '07 and '08 which, according to Scout, finished 24th, 4th and 35th respectively..

Another little fact, CPFs last two classes ('07 & '08) combined with CLKs class ('09) only produced 3 multi-year starters out of 31 four star signees...

** A note about CPFs 4th ranked class in '07.. He achieved this by signing 32 players (6 top 100 and 4 four star recruits).. That same year USC had the 2nd ranked class by signing 18 players (12 top 100 and 10 four star recruits)...

Your correct, I was looking at 05, 06, 07. I had not included 08 as he was fired in 08. That class would have counted as it was going INTO 08.

05 UTs class was #1, and 07 was #4 as you said. 32 players in 1 class. I get that Dooley started alot of freshman his 1st year here. Did he have to? Your telling me there was not a single So, Jr, or Sr on the roster who could play the position where true freshmen were? Why would the 50+ kids who were left on the roster when Dooley got here not be coached? Could he not have had 10-20 guys ready to go by the time the 1st game came around 8 months later? Our "scrubs" left on the roster from Fulmer & Kiffin were rated high enough to get offers from UT. I would tend to think they would be as good or better than any kid on Vandy or UK's roster. They were scrubs because Dooley wanted to play his freshmen over them? I get that the kids may have not been 4.4 guys, 600lb bench press guys, or 5 star talent. Kind of relates to where we are now. Slow DB's, can't tackle, busted assignments, a QB who can't check into a run play, and alot of issues. It's only been 3 years. Just how long can Fulmer be the fallguy for a career losing coach?

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

You're saying these did not happen at the end of the Fulmer era?

Ending the Fulmer era and listening to unqualified to even be fans, is what got UT in this mess in the first place. I can only wish and pine for that era back. The Fulmer haters wet themselves over Kiffin....all that needs to be known about them.

 

[allvol123]

Ending the Fulmer era and listening to unqualified to even be fans, is what got UT in this mess in the first place. I can only wish and pine for that era back. The Fulmer haters wet themselves over Kiffin....all that needs to be known about them.

And no program in America wanted Fulmer. All that needs to be said about him.

 

[Titan&Volfan4life]

Your correct, I was looking at 05, 06, 07. I had not included 08 as he was fired in 08. That class would have counted as it was going INTO 08.

05 UTs class was #1, and 07 was #4 as you said. 32 players in 1 class. I get that Dooley started alot of freshman his 1st year here. Did he have to? Your telling me there was not a single So, Jr, or Sr on the roster who could play the position where true freshmen were? Why would the 50+ kids who were left on the roster when Dooley got here not be coached? Could he not have had 10-20 guys ready to go by the time the 1st game came around 8 months later? Our "scrubs" left on the roster from Fulmer & Kiffin were rated high enough to get offers from UT. I would tend to think they would be as good or better than any kid on Vandy or UK's roster. They were scrubs because Dooley wanted to play his freshmen over them? I get that the kids may have not been 4.4 guys, 600lb bench press guys, or 5 star talent. Kind of relates to where we are now. Slow DB's, can't tackle, busted assignments, a QB who can't check into a run play, and alot of issues. It's only been 3 years. Just how long can Fulmer be the fallguy for a career losing coach?

You're really NOT very smart or accurate about the situation CDD walked into when he was the ONLY coach that would take on the total rebuilding class.

Since I've NEVER seen you post even 1 time something that's good, positive or motivational about Tennessee footbalk I simply do NOT believe you're a UT fan but it's very easy to believe you're nothing bit a Poser/Troll that's only here to try and tear down our program.

FACT is that in 1 class Fulmer recruited 32 players...today the LIMIT that CDD has to work under is ONLY 25 recruits per year and no more no matter what.

FACT is that Fulmer left us with really bad attitudes and mostly FAILURES as 4* and 5* players with ONLY 3 top recruits that actually did well during their entire time at UT.

FACT is that even having lots of Fulmer kids on the roster laMe kiffScum DID tell 25 to 28 supposedly good football players to LEAVE Tennessee because those players did NOT fit his systems so that left us well below our schollie limit of roster players.

FACT is that the 1 recruiting class that laMe kiffScum brought in WAS the recruiting class that CDD had to try and SAVE and to add a few of his own recruits to BUT laMe kiffScum did NOT recruit for the NEEDS of the team like DB's, OL, DL, LB's, RB's....laMe ONLY recruited for STARS of a QB and WR's and a few other bigger STAR players but left our tewam WEAK and the 1st season CDD was here he could barely put a team on the field to even line up and play a game which IS why so many true Freshmen were playing.

The PROOF of how bad our roster was is that the NFL has ONLY drafted 3 or 4 players the last 2 YEARS because we did NOT have SEC type/NFL players on our player roster.

The top SEC teams get 8 to 10 or more players drafted into the NFL most every year like Tennessee used to do.

CDD now ONLY has 2 of his recruiting classes on campus and in school and that are SOPHS and FRESHMEN and we ARE still playing many of those really young kids.

You really should KNOW what you're talking about before posting on here and providing proof that you're really clueless about Tennessee football.

Candybilt friends of yours are waiting for you on their board so go enjoy them and let real UT fans talk on this site.

VFL...GBO!!!