Player’s careers ruined by coaches

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The thread on Randall Cobb got me to thinking Hurd and others spoken of who may have had success elsewhere on the field or at other programs. Obviously, we and they will never know for sure but, who are some of our former players you think coaches did wrong?

I still say had Butch put in the I formation, we would have never lost Hurd and, he would have accomplished more.

What about AJ Suggs, Brandon Stewart, Joey Matthews?

Anyone think C. J. Leak and Brent Schaffer got square deals or the players CLK ran off?

Of course, going back to Cobb, position changes worked out for some such as Jason Witten, Dale Carter and, for a short time, James Banks. But, who are some players negatively impacted by coaching decisions?
 
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#1fulmerite said:
The thread on Randall Cobb got me to thinking Hurd and others spoken of who may have had success elsewhere on the field or at other programs. Obviously, we and they will never know for sure but, who are some of our former players you think coaches did wrong?

I still say had Butch put in the I formation, we would have never lost Hurd and, he would have accomplished more.

What about AJ Suggs, Brandon Stewart, Joey Matthews?

Anyone think C. J. Leak and Brent Schaffer got square deals or the players CLK ran off?

Of course, going back to Cobb, position changes worked out for some such as Jason Witten, Dale Carter and, for a short time, James Banks. But, who are some players negatively impacted by coaching decisions?
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Jim Bob Cooter. He was the next Peyton.
 
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Fulmer ruined Brian Darden

Bobby Bowden and Jackie Sherrill told him the truth, that he would be better at DB. Fulmer didn’t and paid him more to keep him way from his competition.
 
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Seems sometime in the 2000’s we were running low on WR’s because they were being moved to DB.
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Rashad Baker, Jabari Greer, and Mark Jones were all better DBs than WRs.

Chavis and Bernard Jackson
 
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bpalmer28 said:
Fulmer ruined Brian Darden

Bobby Bowden and Jackie Sherrill told him the truth, that he would be better at DB. Fulmer didn’t and paid him more to keep him way from his competition.
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Darden was hyped as a "starter the day he walked on to campus". Same for Chris Donald. Problem is that they were no longer on the HS fields and frankly, at least in Donald's case, there wasn't enough between the ears to grasp the schemes. Over the last 7 decades, I've seen a ton of players with physical tools that just never could make the jump from high school to major college football. One thing you can't always measure is heart, passion for the game and desire.
 
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CAVPUT said:
Darden was hyped as a "starter the day he walked on to campus". Same for Chris Donald. Problem is that they were no longer on the HS fields and frankly, at least in Donald's case, there wasn't enough between the ears to grasp the schemes. Over the last 7 decades, I've seen a ton of players with physical tools that just never could make the jump from high school to major college football. One thing you can't always measure is heart, passion for the game and desire.
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who hyped them as such? all im saying is sherrill and bowden told him he wasn’t an SEC RB but he’d be an all american DB
 
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#1fulmerite said:
The thread on Randall Cobb got me to thinking Hurd and others spoken of who may have had success elsewhere on the field or at other programs. Obviously, we and they will never know for sure but, who are some of our former players you think coaches did wrong?

I still say had Butch put in the I formation, we would have never lost Hurd and, he would have accomplished more.

What about AJ Suggs, Brandon Stewart, Joey Matthews?

Anyone think C. J. Leak and Brent Schaffer got square deals or the players CLK ran off?

Of course, going back to Cobb, position changes worked out for some such as Jason Witten, Dale Carter and, for a short time, James Banks. But, who are some players negatively impacted by coaching decisions?
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Hurd was the worst example for Jones but there were a whole line of players who he mismanaged and hurt. I don't honestly think any of the QBs you listed other than maybe Stewart were star quality players. And he just happened to be in competition with the wrong guy. I don't like Kiffin or the way he left. However he has a long history of putting guys with talent in a position to succeed.

Fulmer is the hardest question to answer. In general, discipline fell off as he became complacent after the NC. When he started losing in recruiting, he chose to take more chances with guys that had elite talent but character questions.

Every coach could be blamed for hurting the career of one player or another. IMO, the only one that really had an unusual pattern of doing it was Jones.
 
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What about AJ Suggs, Brandon Stewart, Joey Matthews?

Anyone think C. J. Leak and Brent Schaffer got square deals or the players CLK ran off?
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Every one of those QBs except maybe Stewart were obviously in over their head in the SEC. Stewart’s problem was he was the same age as Peyton Manning.
 
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sjt18 said:
Hurd was the worst example for Jones but there were a whole line of players who he mismanaged and hurt. I don't honestly think any of the QBs you listed other than maybe Stewart were star quality players. And he just happened to be in competition with the wrong guy. I don't like Kiffin or the way he left. However he has a long history of putting guys with talent in a position to succeed.

Fulmer is the hardest question to answer. In general, discipline fell off as he became complacent after the NC. When he started losing in recruiting, he chose to take more chances with guys that had elite talent but character questions.

Every coach could be blamed for hurting the career of one player or another. IMO, the only one that really had an unusual pattern of doing it was Jones.
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A. Kamara comes to mind with Butch. He wasted Kamara as a backup who proved how good he was in the NFL. The rumor was Hurd wanted to play TE Butch wouldn't let him so he transferred.
 
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The Original Fade said:
Matt simms
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Simms wasn’t very good, but at least had some arm talent. I still think it’s a race Matthews and Sterling Henton as far as most limited opening day starters.

I’ll throw in the Jr version of Jonathan Crompton as honorable mention.
 
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#1fulmerite said:
The thread on Randall Cobb got me to thinking Hurd and others spoken of who may have had success elsewhere on the field or at other programs. Obviously, we and they will never know for sure but, who are some of our former players you think coaches did wrong?

I still say had Butch put in the I formation, we would have never lost Hurd and, he would have accomplished more.

What about AJ Suggs, Brandon Stewart, Joey Matthews?

Anyone think C. J. Leak and Brent Schaffer got square deals or the players CLK ran off?

Of course, going back to Cobb, position changes worked out for some such as Jason Witten, Dale Carter and, for a short time, James Banks. But, who are some players negatively impacted by coaching decisions?
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Butch Jones not putting Hurd and Kamara on the field at the same time was probably the worst coaching crime I’ve seen in Tennessee football in decades. They both did fine in spite of it.
 
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GAVol said:
Every one of those QBs except maybe Stewart were obviously in over their head in the SEC. Stewart’s problem was he was the same age as Peyton Manning.
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I'm gonna defend Schaeffer. He was just ahead of his time. And it's quite possible he might have never been able to learn how to read defenses. But I just think if he went to a coach like Urban or Rich Rod (offensive masterminds at the time) instead of stuck in the 90's coaches like Fulmer and Orgeron, he could have been a star. That physical talent was incredible.
 
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GAVol said:
Simms wasn’t very good, but at least had some arm talent. I still think it’s a race Matthews and Sterling Henton as far as most limited opening day starters.

I’ll throw in the Jr version of Jonathan Crompton as honorable mention.
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Yeah, Jr Crompton was the worst QB I have ever seen at UT. Against Auburn in 2008, how many times did we start with the ball around the 50 yard line in the 2nd half, and he couldn’t get a first down any time at all? It was dreadful. People complained about Milton overthrowing people, jeez, Crompton didn’t even throw it in the same neighborhood.
 
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KoachKrab127 said:
Yeah, Jr Crompton was the worst QB I have ever seen at UT. Against Auburn in 2008, how many times did we start with the ball around the 50 yard line in the 2nd half, and he couldn’t get a first down any time at all? It was dreadful. People complained about Milton overthrowing people, jeez, Crompton didn’t even throw it in the same neighborhood.
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Whatever you want to say about Lane Kiffin, he can work with QB's. This is a man who coordinated high powered offenses and won titles with Blake Sims and Jake Coker. So it's pretty insane to think how broken Crompton was that Kiffin couldn't make him a serviceable QB till about game 7 of 2009 and then somehow got him drafted.
 
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