Play the "bad practicers" in BGSU game

#26
#26
...it sounds like the best practicers will probably get the nod...I hope guys don't get overlooked or punished because they aren't the best performer in practice...

Best current example is Josh Dobbs...being passed over because of his lousy practice performances....

One major logical fallacy. Here it is visually:

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The proven (or believed) existence of "p" does not mean that all players who are bad in practice will be 'p'. The vast majority of them will be q, or i, or f, or h, or b, or etc.

In words, your logical fallacy looks like this: "p" exists, therefore "p" is common and must be catered to.

When in fact, "p" is not common at all.

Most of the time, players who practice well, play well. And players who practice poorly, play poorly. It's why coaches design practice sessions to mirror game conditions as much as possible.
 
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#27
#27
Dang OP, you are getting roasted. I, however, agree with you because...

1. If we get a big lead, we will probably see a lot more of the 2 and 3 deep anyway, so the ones that have pushed themselves but come up a little short in practice will still get some PT

2. The talent level on this team is very high, even our 3 deep that are struggling in practice are doing much better than some FCS school players. This is the University of Tennessee football, not Austin Peay. Any one of those guys could break out in a game and show us something.

3. Obviously it should be done smartly. If one of the guys that have been struggling (Blair for instance), comes in and blows a big play that costs us a turnover or a score, we should be up enough that it won't affect the outcome of the game. Obviously, 2 TD's up in the 2nd quarter would not warrant throwing in the "replacements"
 
#28
#28
However, the ones recruited to do just that need to be given a respectable chance to show what they have. Standing and watching doesn't always equate to greatness for contributing.

They get the chance every day at practice. That's where playing time is earned
 
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#29
#29
With all the depth at so many positions, coach a player up for a certain situation. Bring in the DB or LB for a blitz package on 3rd. They will be fresh. I've seen it in the past the stud on kick coverage being worked in on defense and make a difference on that one play, running a called play. Air Force was killing us with the option, they went for two, for the win, the one time we stopped them short of 3 yards. That's coaching and situational play calls.......they never should have been in the game. GO VOLS! WIN em ALL!
 
#31
#31
I think Bear Bryant had a philosophy that CBJ is most likely embracing, and should answer the question posed by this thread.
 
#34
#34
Just a suggestion to the OP.
Fans here would probably prefer a reference to General Neyland instead of the Bear.

Hey, I'm VFL. You'll have to go far and wide to find someone who hates Bama worse than me. However, I agree with the Bear on this one.

Another Bear quote: "I never beat Neyland, but I learned a lot from him". Any coach can learn from the Bear quote I posted here. Flame me if you will, but it's a damn solid quote responding to a ridiculous statement that the "bad practice guys" should be thrust into the games.
 
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I know many positions are up in the air as to who will start at respective positions and it sounds like the best practicers will probably get the nod.

Here's what I hope doesn't happen. I hope guys don't get overlooked or punished because they aren't the best performer in practice "artifical" situations.

For example....I hope to see the ones competing for MLB get roughly the same amount of reps in the opener. See what they can do ON THE FIELD IN REAL GAME SITUATIONS. That's where talents and instincts show up that sometimes and often times don't show up in practice settings.

Edit: I am a huge proponent of getting the 2 or 3 deep snaps when a game is put away. The caveat to that would be when young players are your starters and need quality reps to build their experience and grow accustomed to game pace at the D1 level.

Please use the BGSU game to further settle these disputes.

Best current example is Josh Dobbs and he being passed over because of his lousy practice performances. Had Worley stayed healthy, the Dobbs secret would've never been discovered.

The "coaching" and "game time decision making" of this staff are the critical questions moving into this season.

He said he will put the best players on the field. Period. Well, put them all on the field (not like Dooley all at the same time) and give them a chance and the disputes will settle themselves.

You learn by playing and ****ing up. Not by standing and watching.

This is just a bizarre mindset to me. "I don't practice well but the coaches should play me so I can show how good I am in a game!" If I have a critique of many fans it is that they place so much emphasis on what coaches should do and totally take the responsibility off of players to execute and perform the tasks they are assigned. This includes showing out in practice so that the coaches have confidence that you will perform in game situations. Do I believe that "gamers" exist on every team? Absolutely! But coaches can't be expected to play any players other than those that earn the time in practice. To do otherwise can be a huge detriment to team culture and a unified work ethic for the team. JMO so take it for what it's worth.
 
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#38
#38
Didn't suggest anything remotely close to this.

Please show in my original post where this scenario was suggested.............

If you're giving everyone a shot and burning some needed red shirts, someone's got to come off the field to make room. You're trying to defend a bad idea man. Just let it go.
 
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#39
#39
If you're giving everyone a shot and burning some needed red shirts, someone's got to come off the field to make room. You're trying to defend a bad idea man. Just let it go.

Agree

In the SEC, a school can only travel with 70 players, iirc. It would be really hard to bring players who aren't performing in practice!
 
#40
#40
It was repeatedly reported by multiple insiders last off season when the QB competition was open. Dobbs was inconsistent in practice and didn't win the starting job. Doesn't mean that he couldn't develop that consistency. And doesn't mean that he didn't bring an element to the offense that Worley couldn't provide.

From watching the O&W game and practice videos whenever a defender gets close enough to the QB to touch him the play is blown dead. Then you watch the Iowa game and see multiple plays where defenders are close enough to touch him and still can't bring him down. That's just something you can't see in practice.
 
#45
#45
You play your best available against BG until you're up 40 then you let the young back up guys get a chance.
 
#47
#47
I know many positions are up in the air as to who will start at respective positions and it sounds like the best practicers will probably get the nod.

Here's what I hope doesn't happen. I hope guys don't get overlooked or punished because they aren't the best performer in practice "artifical" situations.

For example....I hope to see the ones competing for MLB get roughly the same amount of reps in the opener. See what they can do ON THE FIELD IN REAL GAME SITUATIONS. That's where talents and instincts show up that sometimes and often times don't show up in practice settings.

Please use the BGSU game to further settle these disputes.

Best current example is Josh Dobbs and he being passed over because of his lousy practice performances. Had Worley stayed healthy, the Dobbs secret would've never been discovered.

The "coaching" and "game time decision making" of this staff are the critical questions moving into this season.

He said he will put the best players on the field. Period. Well, put them all on the field (not like Dooley all at the same time) and give them a chance and the disputes will settle themselves.

You learn by playing and ****ing up. Not by standing and watching.

Dobbs' Practicing had nothing to do with Worley starting. Butch wanted to redshirt Josh and have him 3 years as the starter. With all that talent as Juniors and Seniors, a National Championship would be realistic. Why cant yall understand that? Besides, Worley was a Senior last year, so Dobbs was starting this year Regardless. That said, IF we have a couple Hardheads that don't LISTEN in practice; you don't want Hardheads out there screwing up in big games. ANY Games.
 
#48
#48
Dobbs' Practicing had nothing to do with Worley starting. Butch wanted to redshirt Josh and have him 3 years as the starter. With all that talent as Juniors and Seniors, a National Championship would be realistic. Why cant yall understand that? Besides, Worley was a Senior last year, so Dobbs was starting this year Regardless. That said, IF we have a couple Hardheads that don't LISTEN in practice; you don't want Hardheads out there screwing up in big games. ANY Games.

It's all of the reasons. They wanted a redshirt for him, and he wasn't head and shoulders above Worley in practice. Had he even been equal in passing, he probably would have started since his wheels were so much better.

Redshirts are great for development, but when a kid is the best option, he's the best option. Dobbs wasn't the best option until he was (injury combined with improvement). It's never one thing or the other; it's always all the things combined.
 
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One major logical fallacy. Here it is visually:

bad%20in%20practice%20good%20in%20game.png


The proven (or believed) existence of "p" does not mean that all players who are bad in practice will be 'p'. The vast majority of them will be q, or i, or f, or h, or b, or etc.

In words, your logical fallacy looks like this: "p" exists, therefore "p" is common and must be catered to.

When in fact, "p" is not common at all.

Most of the time, players who practice well, play well. And players who practice poorly, play poorly. It's why coaches design practice sessions to mirror game conditions as much as possible.

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