Plausible deniability. Are Vol fans guilty of this??

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maxxx said:
These responses are already proving my point to be true. Plausible Deniability at its finest.:eek:k:

Just that fast i have seen:
Blaming the AD.
Blaming the boosters.
Making excuses for the rejections.
Me secretly supporting Schiano hire.

Come on guys, just get real. When we are seeing guys from schools lie Purdue, Duke, and NC State saying no, we need to look in the mirror and stop making excuses. Those jobs are dog $!#@ compared to UT and everyone here knows it.

I understand that everyone hates the rest of the nation BUT...
There just may be some merit to the overwhelming % of media putting this on the fan base. There just may be some merit in other fan bases making sure that they do not replicate what UT fans did.

This thread isn't for angry rhetoric, it's for rational thought.:peace2::peace2::peace2::peace2::salute:
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maxxx said:
These responses are already proving my point to be true. Plausible Deniability at its finest.:eek:k:

Just that fast i have seen:
Blaming the AD.
Blaming the boosters.
Making excuses for the rejections.
Me secretly supporting Schiano hire.

Come on guys, just get real. When we are seeing guys from schools lie Purdue, Duke, and NC State saying no, we need to look in the mirror and stop making excuses. Those jobs are dog $!#@ compared to UT and everyone here knows it.

I understand that everyone hates the rest of the nation BUT...
There just may be some merit to the overwhelming % of media putting this on the fan base. There just may be some merit in other fan bases making sure that they do not replicate what UT fans did.

This thread isn't for angry rhetoric, it's for rational thought.:peace2::peace2::peace2::peace2::salute:
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You aren't being rational. Why will TN not fire Currie? What coach wants to work for him or risk their career being hire by a guy that is on the hot seat and getting hammered by the support base? Do you not understand coaches want to work for the guy that hired them, not some AD that didn't and has no loyalty or tied to the coach?

If you are blaming this on the fans instead of the incompetence of the AD then shame on you. You obviously have an IQ under 100 if you can not see the issues with our leadership and will just blame it on the fans
 
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maxxx said:
These responses are already proving my point to be true. Plausible Deniability at its finest.:eek:k:

Just that fast i have seen:
Blaming the AD.
Blaming the boosters.
Making excuses for the rejections.
Me secretly supporting Schiano hire.

Come on guys, just get real. When we are seeing guys from schools lie Purdue, Duke, and NC State saying no, we need to look in the mirror and stop making excuses. Those jobs are dog $!#@ compared to UT and everyone here knows it.

I understand that everyone hates the rest of the nation BUT...
There just may be some merit to the overwhelming % of media putting this on the fan base. There just may be some merit in other fan bases making sure that they do not replicate what UT fans did.

This thread isn't for angry rhetoric, it's for rational thought.:peace2::peace2::peace2::peace2::salute:
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rational thought as defined by you.

Your whole premise is a non starter for discussion Of opposing views.
 
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maxxx said:
It seems reasonable to think so. Vol fans protesting and complaining has led directly to coaches not wanting to take the job. Every time a coach turns down the huge money to stay at lesser gigs it becomes more obvious. How Vol fans continue to blame the AD, boosters, and admin, when they had actually hired a coach, is beyond me. It's time that these fans take a long look in the mirror and accept their role in this nonsense. At this point the fans really need to just shut up and let these guys hire whomever is willing to take this job. At least seven coaches have now very publicly turned down a job paying insane money, and Vol fans need to ask themselves why.
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Put on more steam. To hell with the Haslam family. I Hope no one takes it until they are forced to fire Currie.
 
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GRN1926 said:
Yes and No. The AD had money and time to go make a great hire, they settled on Schiano.. people refused another terrible hire. If the AD would have made a good hire from the beginning this never would have happene.
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I think this is where everything falls apart. I'll be the first to admit that I was a bit shocked at Schiano. BUT, I was willing to listen to the pro's vs the con's on him. To my surprise, I heard a lot of high caliber coaches saying that he was a tremendous coach. Yes, he failed in the NFL, but so did guys like Saban and Kiffin. He took a doormat program in Rutgers and made them relevant for a time, so his overall record is misleading. This is just the stuff I read. When guys like Bilicheck, Dinardo, Wanstedtt, and Meyer are talking about how good of a coach he is, it make me more inclined to give the guy a chance. UT fans jumped the gun and smoked the guy. Other coached that we could have had a shot at saw this and said F that place.
 
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Doc_Vol said:
Put on more steam. To hell with the Haslam family. I Hope no one takes it until they are forced to fire Currie.
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OK. Help me on this.

If the problem is the Haslem family, why are people so pissed at Currie?? If Currie did his job and found a coach that the haslem's nixed, why is that on Currie? My feeling is that Currie was hired here to do a job, and he is not being allowed to do the job he was hired for. That's not on him. That's on the people who wont allow him to perform his job.
 
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maxxx said:
OK. Help me on this.

If the problem is the Haslem family, why are people so pissed at Currie?? If Currie did his job and fund a coach that the haslems nixed, why is that on Currie. My feeling is that Currie was hired here to do a job, and he is not being allowed to do the job he was hired for. Thats not on him. Thats on the people who wont allow him to perform his job.
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because he is the haslam puppet, thus... fall guy. Jimmy always tries to protect himself with people between him and trouble. need another example... Pilot Oil.
 
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The admin should have just given Coach Brohm what was originally agreed on by both parties instead of waiting until after he agreed and then refusing to honor your word.

That's no business acumen and it reflects distastefully on more than just the Haslams, AD, and Boosters, but on all associated.

It's the nickel and diming shenanigans of pettifogger shysters.

No one wants to get jerked around after coming to terms.

So that buck stops there.

The fans were accepting of both Gundy and Brohm.

Don't trot out no-names or .500 records with controversy or problems at their existing schools and you won't have resistance from fans.

What are fans? Fanatics. Fanatic about their team and want the best for their team. They have the talent to win with a winning coach. It's unfair to recruit winners and then stick them with a less talented coach when the money is there to give the players and fans a winner.

No, at this point, it's not the time for you to divert the responsibility for failing to close the deal with a winner. That's your job if you're the AD.

The job of the fan is to donate, buy tickets and gear, come to the games and encourage the team.

The fans have always done that and will continue to do so provided that the AD does their part and hires a winner to lead these players.

If the coach doesn't have a winning percentage at least higher than Butch Jones did, then they shouldn't even make the list of candidates.

The Head Coach of an SEC team is no position for on the job training.

So the only ones who need to shut up are any who are blaming the best damn fans in college football instead of getting their job done.

Take that energy you're wasting on insulting fans and use it to do your damn job or get out of town.
 
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maxxx said:
I think this is where everything falls apart. I'll be the first to admit that I was a bit shocked at Schiano. BUT, I was willing to listen to the pro's vs the con's on him. To my surprise, I heard a lot of high caliber coaches saying that he was a tremendous coach. Yes, he failed in the NFL, but so did guys like Saban and Kiffin. He took a doormat program in Rutgers and made them relevant for a time, so his overall record is misleading. This is just the stuff I read. When guys like Bilicheck, Dinardo, Wanstedtt, and Meyer are talking about how good of a coach he is, it make me more inclined to give the guy a chance. UT fans jumped the gun and smoked the guy. Other coached that we could have had a shot at saw this and said F that place.
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John,

Convenient that you only look at that from one side. If we didn't "smoke" SchiaNo then our chances at anyone else are out the window anyway because we'd have a coach. I'd rather we take our chances with the coaches left on the board (which isn't nearly as bad as you're peddling) than be stuck with him.
 
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maxxx said:
OK. Help me on this.

If the problem is the Haslem family, why are people so pissed at Currie?? If Currie did his job and found a coach that the haslem's nixed, why is that on Currie? My feeling is that Currie was hired here to do a job, and he is not being allowed to do the job he was hired for. That's not on him. That's on the people who wont allow him to perform his job.
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The AD's job is to hire and retain the best people that provide the best positive direction for a program. If that means annoying boosters, tough.

Haslem's name doesn't go on an MOU, and it doesn't go on a contract. To be blunt, if your name doesn't go on those documents, I don't really give a crap if you find a coach objectionable or not.

If the AD is unwilling to guide the program in the right direction because he's not willing to step on one person's toes, then he needs to be replaced with someone who will. Leadership isn't about blindly following people; it's about making the tough decisions when the situation calls for it.
 
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maxxx said:
It seems reasonable to think so. Vol fans protesting and complaining has led directly to coaches not wanting to take the job. Every time a coach turns down the huge money to stay at lesser gigs it becomes more obvious. How Vol fans continue to blame the AD, boosters, and admin, when they had actually hired a coach, is beyond me. It's time that these fans take a long look in the mirror and accept their role in this nonsense. At this point the fans really need to just shut up and let these guys hire whomever is willing to take this job. At least seven coaches have now very publicly turned down a job paying insane money, and Vol fans need to ask themselves why.
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This is exactly whats going on and its been building up over the past Decade. Social media has made the average Joe get to a point of overvaluing their opinion. Everyone's an armchair QB these days. rating and judging peoples performance in jobs they have no experience in or conception of its responsibilities.
 
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Not all on the fan base. The national media wants you to think it is but it's not and if that's a reason someone don't pick up the phone, than by all means, let it ring because we probably don't want you. This is just as much on Currie as it is us. We wouldn't be so upset if he didn't go dollar store shopping. The trickery of the AD has brought this on themselves. So sad we are being used as the scapegoat.
 
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AllDay said:
John,

Convenient that you only look at that from one side. If we didn't "smoke" SchiaNo then our chances at anyone else are out the window anyway because we'd have a coach. I'd rather we take our chances with the coaches left on the board (which isn't nearly as bad as you're peddling) than be stuck with him.
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You're right. You didn't smoke him. You BBQed is a$$. If you don't think other coaches saw how the fans treated a fellow coach, you're nuts. Hopefully UT rebounds and gets a good guy in here. The coach from Memphis or Tee Martin should be the top choices. Guys that are young, energetic, and charming enough to spin UT back into a positive light with recruits and parents.

Thanks for the comment,

JC:salute:
 
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Ohio Vol said:
The AD's job is to hire and retain the best people that provide the best positive direction for a program. If that means annoying boosters, tough.

Haslem's name doesn't go on an MOU, and it doesn't go on a contract. To be blunt, if your name doesn't go on those documents, I don't really give a crap if you find a coach objectionable or not.

If the AD is unwilling to guide the program in the right direction because he's not willing to step on one person's toes, then he needs to be replaced with someone who will. Leadership isn't about blindly following people; it's about making the tough decisions when the situation calls for it.
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You're right. But is seems people are saying that Haslem wont let him do him job. Is that accurate??
 
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maxxx said:
These responses are already proving my point to be true. Plausible Deniability at its finest.:eek:k:

Just that fast i have seen:
Blaming the AD.
Blaming the boosters.
Making excuses for the rejections.
Me secretly supporting Schiano hire.

Come on guys, just get real. When we are seeing guys from schools lie Purdue, Duke, and NC State saying no, we need to look in the mirror and stop making excuses. Those jobs are dog $!#@ compared to UT and everyone here knows it.

I understand that everyone hates the rest of the nation BUT...
There just may be some merit to the overwhelming % of media putting this on the fan base. There just may be some merit in other fan bases making sure that they do not replicate what UT fans did.

This thread isn't for angry rhetoric, it's for rational thought.:peace2::peace2::peace2::peace2::salute:
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These coaches can easily see how incompetently this search is being conducted. Would you take a job knowing how screwed up your bosses are going to be? They see the fans 12 times a year, they are dealing with this goof troop the rest of the time. This is why I think Kiffin is about the only choice, he is the only one nuts enough to not care what a tire fire this whole thing is.
 
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Its not reasonable it's apparent max is an idiot .Boy look at all the programs beating down Shianos door since vols fans said hell no.Maxx please put more thought into your before you start running your mouth.
 
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Sure the beat wife asked for it! Good grief! The blame should be directed at those responsible for executing Admin malpractice!! It is that simple!
 
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Birddog3314 said:
Its not reasonable it's apparent max is an idiot .Boy look at all the programs beating down Shianos door since vols fans said hell no.Maxx please put more thought into your before you start running your mouth.
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Forget after- what about before?!
 
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maxxx said:
It seems reasonable to think so. Vol fans protesting and complaining has led directly to coaches not wanting to take the job. Every time a coach turns down the huge money to stay at lesser gigs it becomes more obvious. How Vol fans continue to blame the AD, boosters, and admin, when they had actually hired a coach, is beyond me. It's time that these fans take a long look in the mirror and accept their role in this nonsense. At this point the fans really need to just shut up and let these guys hire whomever is willing to take this job. At least seven coaches have now very publicly turned down a job paying insane money, and Vol fans need to ask themselves why.
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Just resign Currie, you are a failure.
 
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maxxx said:
It seems reasonable to think so. Vol fans protesting and complaining has led directly to coaches not wanting to take the job. Every time a coach turns down the huge money to stay at lesser gigs it becomes more obvious. How Vol fans continue to blame the AD, boosters, and admin, when they had actually hired a coach, is beyond me. It's time that these fans take a long look in the mirror and accept their role in this nonsense. At this point the fans really need to just shut up and let these guys hire whomever is willing to take this job. At least seven coaches have now very publicly turned down a job paying insane money, and Vol fans need to ask themselves why.
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Lets just assume that Schiano had been hired by us. Think about this..is it likely or feasible that many of the top potential coordinators and assistant coaches out there might not want to be associated with him because of his connection with the Penn State issue?
 
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Ohio Vol said:
The AD's job is to hire and retain the best people that provide the best positive direction for a program. If that means annoying boosters, tough.

Haslem's name doesn't go on an MOU, and it doesn't go on a contract. To be blunt, if your name doesn't go on those documents, I don't really give a crap if you find a coach objectionable or not.

If the AD is unwilling to guide the program in the right direction because he's not willing to step on one person's toes, then he needs to be replaced with someone who will. Leadership isn't about blindly following people; it's about making the tough decisions when the situation calls for it.
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all correct.

Haslam still had a hand in hiring Currie and DAvenport. and Haslam writes the checks--or at least the biggest checks-- that Currie and Davenport get to use to do all those things you described.

if you don't think haslam is dictating behind these people, i don't know what to tell you.

there won't be an AD that's free to do the things he/she is supposed to do, so long as Haslam has a hand in who that person will or won't be.
 
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