PizzaGate

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#451
I've eaten at this place probably a dozen times because one of the better book stores on planet earth is just down the street and I am an avid reader and in the area quite often. If you ever watch C-SPAN you have probably seen someone speak at this bookstore (which is also part of the pedo-ring if you are credulous enough to believe this story).

The pizza is pretty good. Nothing like you would get in Chicago, but good for D.C. They were on that Drive-ins, Diners and Dives show and get good reviews generally. They have some great toppings, like fresh cut jalapeno, that I don't see at my local joints. I would definitely go again next time I am up there.

People believe that our gullibility to believe a story like this is a new symptom of America in the digital age, but they're wrong. I remember people talking about the JFK assassination being carried out by LBJ, the moon landing being faked, FDR engineering Pearl Harbor, etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum . . . Americans love a great story, whether it is true or not is really secondary. That will never change.
 
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Rifleman said:
I've eaten at this place probably a dozen times because one of the better book stores on planet earth is just down the street and I am an avid reader and in the area quite often. If you ever watch C-SPAN you have probably seen someone speak at this bookstore (which is also part of the pedo-ring if you are credulous enough to believe this story).

The pizza is pretty good. Nothing like you would get in Chicago, but good for D.C. They were on that Drive-ins, Diners and Dives show and get good reviews generally. They have some great toppings, like fresh cut jalapeno, that I don't see at my local joints. I would definitely go again next time I am up there.

People believe that our gullibility to believe a story like this is a new symptom of America in the digital age, but they're wrong. I remember people talking about the JFK assassination being carried out by LBJ, the moon landing being faked, FDR engineering Pearl Harbor, etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum . . . Americans love a great story, whether it is true or not is really secondary. That will never change.
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tumscalcium said:
You eat there regularly?


Hmmmmmmmm
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Well spotted! It looks like someone is Hooked on Phonics! Good for you.

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PKT_VOL said:
As of now, there is no story to bury or lie about outside of a small group of people who believe pizzagate. That's the only factual story worth reporting as it stands. Of course, that is subject to change.
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You say there is no story to lie about, yet the only utterances of this story by the msm has been uncharitable interpretations of the main points of the investigation, straw men, and lies. It has not been debunked. Nobody has claimed that Hillary sells children out of the kitchen of the restaurant as claimed by Alefantis in interviews. And the evidence which is compelling is ignored while the msm mocks the more absurdly flimsy evidence. I get it. You're a skeptic and you believe the msm is as well. But the msm is more than skeptical. They are critical without giving any reason and instead revert to ad homie attacks against the only people looking into it.
 
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Rifleman said:
I've eaten at this place probably a dozen times because one of the better book stores on planet earth is just down the street and I am an avid reader and in the area quite often. If you ever watch C-SPAN you have probably seen someone speak at this bookstore (which is also part of the pedo-ring if you are credulous enough to believe this story).

The pizza is pretty good. Nothing like you would get in Chicago, but good for D.C. They were on that Drive-ins, Diners and Dives show and get good reviews generally. They have some great toppings, like fresh cut jalapeno, that I don't see at my local joints. I would definitely go again next time I am up there.

People believe that our gullibility to believe a story like this is a new symptom of America in the digital age, but they're wrong. I remember people talking about the JFK assassination being carried out by LBJ, the moon landing being faked, FDR engineering Pearl Harbor, etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum . . . Americans love a great story, whether it is true or not is really secondary. That will never change.
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Can you confirm if there is a basement there?
 
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SamRebel35 said:
You say there is no story to lie about, yet the only utterances of this story by the msm has been uncharitable interpretations of the main points of the investigation, straw men, and lies. It has not been debunked. Nobody has claimed that Hillary sells children out of the kitchen of the restaurant as claimed by Alefantis in interviews. And the evidence which is compelling is ignored while the msm mocks the more absurdly flimsy evidence. I get it. You're a skeptic and you believe the msm is as well. But the msm is more than skeptical. They are critical without giving any reason and instead revert to ad homie attacks against the only people looking into it.
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It might help if it weren't just rabid partisan, anti-Clinton folks, who were buying into this.
 
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tumscalcium said:
It was rhetorical. I didn't ask - Do you eat there regularly?

Hooked on phonics has worked well for me, unfortunately you're one of life's failures. Lol
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So the question as posited was designated not to elicit information, but purely to implicate me in a fake scandal because I like pizza and have been to that street in that city, our nation's capitol, and have eaten in that pizza place maybe once a year since it opened?

You must be joking. Surely you aren't the sort of person who would level such a charge at me, a fellow Vol, without any provocation. In fact, as far as I remember, any interaction we've had has been friendly, tums.
 
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Rifleman said:
So the question as posited was designated not to elicit information, but purely to implicate me in a fake scandal because I like pizza and have been to that street in that city, our nation's capitol, and have eaten in that pizza place maybe once a year since it opened?

You must be joking. Surely you aren't the sort of person who would level such a charge at me, a fellow Vol, without any provocation. In fact, as far as I remember, any interaction we've had has been friendly, tums.
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It was a joke which you took way too seriously. The hmmmmm should have been the giveaway.
 
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Rifleman said:
I've eaten at this place probably a dozen times because one of the better book stores on planet earth is just down the street and I am an avid reader and in the area quite often. If you ever watch C-SPAN you have probably seen someone speak at this bookstore (which is also part of the pedo-ring if you are credulous enough to believe this story).

The pizza is pretty good. Nothing like you would get in Chicago, but good for D.C. They were on that Drive-ins, Diners and Dives show and get good reviews generally. They have some great toppings, like fresh cut jalapeno, that I don't see at my local joints. I would definitely go again next time I am up there.

People believe that our gullibility to believe a story like this is a new symptom of America in the digital age, but they're wrong. I remember people talking about the JFK assassination being carried out by LBJ, the moon landing being faked, FDR engineering Pearl Harbor, etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum . . . Americans love a great story, whether it is true or not is really secondary. That will never change.
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A couple of points.

Americans love a good story, true. But they also love them some propaganda as well. Defaulting to the expertise of the New York Times even when they produce no valid points in supposedly "debunking" a story seems like wilfully being pacified by propaganda to me.

And the deliciousness of the pizza seems mostly irrelevant.
 
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davethevol said:
Can you confirm if there is a basement there?
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I have never seen a basement, but they do have a room with foosball and ping pong tables. Once, when I was up there, there was a band in that room and the ping pong tables were outside. If there were a basement, I'd imagine the tables would go down there. I do, however, suspect they were in violation of the fire code that night. That was too much scene, too many people, for me, so I didn't go in.

For people who believe this, I don't suspect any level of inspection or walk-through would disprove it though. I mean, it is a fairly old city by US standards, so there are technically "tunnels" everywhere for sewage, utilities and infrastructure.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
A couple of points.

Americans love a good story, true. But they also love them some propaganda as well. Defaulting to the expertise of the New York Times even when they produce no valid points in supposedly "debunking" a story seems like wilfully being pacified by propaganda to me.

And the deliciousness of the pizza seems mostly irrelevant.
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Not irrelevant at all. Consider: many criminal enterprises use front businesses. They often do a very poor job of the front business because they do not need to make any money from it. Have you ever walked into a bar in a strange city and only the bartender is in there and he ain't happy to see you? If you get a beer it is watered down and costs ten bucks. That's potentially a front.

Post-prohibition, restaurants have been used as fronts for narcotics sales a lot, but usually the restaurant serves bad food. Why is this? When you serve good food, you need to hire more people who work the tables and keeping the conspiracy under cover is jeopardized. This place has tons of employees and new people rotating in all the time, so if there were a criminal enterprise all these are either risks to its exposure or they are in on it too.
 
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Rifleman said:
I have never seen a basement, but they do have a room with foosball and ping pong tables. Once, when I was up there, there was a band in that room and the ping pong tables were outside. If there were a basement, I'd imagine the tables would go down there. I do, however, suspect they were in violation of the fire code that night. That was too much scene, too many people, for me, so I didn't go in.

For people who believe this, I don't suspect any level of inspection or walk-through would disprove it though. I mean, it is a fairly old city by US standards, so there are technically "tunnels" everywhere for sewage, utilities and infrastructure.
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It may very well have great pizza, but there's no way James Alefantis isn't a pedophile. If anyone objectively looks at the pictures and pedophelia symbols he had on his instagram account they'd come to that conclusion.

I'd liken it to when Jared was implicated in child porn while the spokesman for Subway. It seemed so far fetched initially.
 
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Rifleman said:
Not irrelevant at all. Consider: many criminal enterprises use front businesses. They often do a very poor job of the front business because they do not need to make any money from it. Have you ever walked into a bar in a strange city and only the bartender is in there and he ain't happy to see you? If you get a beer it is watered down and costs ten bucks. Yeah, that's likely a front.

Post-prohibition, restaurants have been used as fronts for narcotics sales a lot, but usually the restaurant serves bad food. Why is this? When you serve good food, you need to hire more people who work the tables and keeping the conspiracy under cover is jeopardized. This place has tons of employees and new people rotating in all the time, so if there were a criminal enterprise all these are either risks to its exposure or they are in on it too.
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Having a successful business based on genuinely tasty pizza doesn't preclude the owner from being involved in child trafficking. Another not so charitable summary of the crowd sourced investigation would include repeating the strawman talking point of Hillary selling children from the back room of the restraunt. That's not what the theory is.
 
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davethevol said:
It may very well have great pizza, but there's no way James Alefantis isn't a pedophile. If anyone objectively looks at the pictures and pedophelia symbols he had on his instagram account they'd come to that conclusion.

I'd liken it to when Jared was implicated in child porn while the spokesman for Subway. It seemed so far fetched initially.
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In this comparison, aren't you equating evidence gathered by people online with evidence gathered by the FBI?

They are not the same.

The Fogle case was carefully assembled over an eight-year investigative period. Basically once we were aware of the case, the case was ironclad.

With Pizzagate, much of what has been provided as "proof" has quickly been shown to be fabricated or mistakenly attributed. For instance, a lot of the photos were from other users who had liked the Pizza Place on instagram, not from the guy himself.

I don't mind seeing politicians and their enablers put in prison, but I also enjoy living in a country where crimes have to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt and we all start off with a Constitutionally-guaranteed presumption of innocence.
 
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lawgator1 said:
It might help if it weren't just rabid partisan, anti-Clinton folks, who were buying into this.
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People I see actively investigating it are pretty non-partisan.

I'm sure you'll go cherry pick something that attempts to disprove this though.
 
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JackWhite said:
Sure, right after you point out the partisan ones.

Here's a guy that went down the path years ago, was a Republican and found Republican wrong doing, but I'm sure you dismiss this as well.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_DeCamp
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Completely debunked. In fact, the people who fabricated that story were charged and convicted with perjury. Sadly, people like you misfits and morons will suffer no consequence for having made the Earth, on the whole, slightly dumber for your having been here.

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Well, my gut was wrong.

Evidently Trump's pedophile case was dismissed in early November. It had been so little reported, and I admittedly hadn't been closely following it as of late, that it completely slipped us by. Well, it's dismissed and that is that, I suppose.

Regardless, I still think this story is fake, and I think it's still largely a distraction, designed by smart people to dupe stupid people into fulfilling the smart people's aims. And the thing about being stupid is that no stupid person has ever realized he or she is stupid. If they did, they wouldn't be stupid.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Completely debunked. In fact, the people who fabricated that story were charged and convicted with perjury. Sadly, people like you misfits and morons will suffer no consequence for having made the Earth, on the whole, slightly dumber for your having been here.

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Wait. So yer telling me that if idiots could fly, VolNation would be an airport right? If so, I am a DC-10.

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lawgator1 said:
Completely debunked. In fact, the people who fabricated that story were charged and convicted with perjury. Sadly, people like you misfits and morons will suffer no consequence for having made the Earth, on the whole, slightly dumber for your having been here.

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"DeCamp was also the lead perspective on Conspiracy of Silence, an unaired Discovery Channel documentary about the alleged "Franklin cover-up" that documents a U.S. child sex abuse and pedophilia ring whose involvement leads to the highest levels of government.[9][10] This was confirmed by The Washington Times, 'Mr. Spence arranged at least four midnight tours of the White House, including one June 29, 1989, on which he took with him a 15-year-old boy whom he falsely identified as his son.' [11] The boy Mr. Spence claimed to be his son, was later identified as foster child prostitute, Paul Bonacci. On February 27, 1999, the U.S. District Court of the District of Nebraska awarded Bonacci $1 million in compensatory damages and punitive damages, related to the Franklin Cover-Up."

This is your version of "completely debunked"? Lol. No wonder you consider what the NYT had done concerning pizzagate to be "debunked". Apparently you have a pretty low threshold for something to be considered completely false.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
"DeCamp was also the lead perspective on Conspiracy of Silence, an unaired Discovery Channel documentary about the alleged "Franklin cover-up" that documents a U.S. child sex abuse and pedophilia ring whose involvement leads to the highest levels of government.[9][10] This was confirmed by The Washington Times, 'Mr. Spence arranged at least four midnight tours of the White House, including one June 29, 1989, on which he took with him a 15-year-old boy whom he falsely identified as his son.' [11] The boy Mr. Spence claimed to be his son, was later identified as foster child prostitute, Paul Bonacci. On February 27, 1999, the U.S. District Court of the District of Nebraska awarded Bonacci $1 million in compensatory damages and punitive damages, related to the Franklin Cover-Up."

This is your version of "completely debunked"? Lol. No wonder you consider what the NYT had done concerning pizzagate to be "debunked". Apparently you have a pretty low threshold for something to be considered completely false.
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