Pictures of Warren down on terrible spot?

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s1216 said:
I just went and looked at the alternate angle. Warren's knee made contact just past the other side of the hash at the 41, maybe six inches. So the spot should have been at the 41 + six inches + the length from Warren's knee to the ball which would be somewhere close to 30 inches. It was extremely close. Those who are saying it was a good spot or "definitely short" are just guessing.
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Also it is my understanding that the yellow lines come from sensors on the chains. Looks like the chains "moved" several inches during the play. I think in most cases the offense gets that call just not our night.

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Interesting about the yellow line but that’s unofficial of course and I’ve seen that be off several inches before. In this case I think the one where it’s left of the 40 is wrong. The yard marker looks slightly further than the yellow line in that shot so I’m guessing that’s why it was moved to the right side of the 40. Either way, that yellow line isn’t official. It sucks that we lost that game but I’m proud of the team. It’s truly stunning that they held an offense like Ole Miss to 7 in the second half.
 
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HwyChile said:
I don't need to look at "post #57". I looked at the ACTUAL GAME FILM. All these other angles and pictures are wrong. Bad camera angles and wrong time shot. All you have to do is look at the game film. It is not even close.
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You picked one frame out of "the game film" and declared it gospel. It doesn't work that way.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
You need to look at post #57. Warren was short of a first down.
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Maybe, but it looks fuzzy to me. I cannot tell if it's barely touching or not from that. So how did the ref see it from waaaaay back there so certainly without freeze frame close ups? Anyways.
 
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HwyChile said:
Here is shot of the play when he hit the ground. Clearly over the line.

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That's not when he hit the ground. That's after he finished sliding along the ground. He was down about a yard and a half before that, when his right thigh first touched.
 
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bamawriter said:
You picked one frame out of "the game film" and declared it gospel. It doesn't work that way.
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LOL. You mean the shot where he hits the ground on the other side of the first down marker? Your comment actually applies to every picture shown before my post that clearly shows that the shot was taken too soon and at a bad angle (cherry picked bad facts). The ACTUAL FULL SPEED GAME FILM shows it was a first down.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
That's not when he hit the ground. That's after he finished sliding along the ground. He was down about a yard and a half before that, when his right thigh first touched.
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Wrong. I can show you another shot where he is even further down the field. I took the shot at the exact point that he hit the ground.

From what I can tell, the announcers purposely used a TV replay shot with a bad camera angle (and taken too soon) that looks nothing like the actual game film that had the better view.
 
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HwyChile said:
I don't need to look at "post #57". I looked at the ACTUAL GAME FILM. All these other angles and pictures are wrong. Bad camera angles and wrong time shot. All you have to do is look at the game film. It is not even close.
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You are right! It’s not close! He was short of the line to gain.
 
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bamawriter said:
Maybe he didn't. And that would be a big deal if it hadn't been reviewed.
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Pfft. They didn't have anything to review. The footage available kind of sucked. And nobody was anywhere around to see it. Had that been Corral running for the 1st down you can bet your murderous fanbase's asses that they would have seen it differently. But it's over now. We're allowed to vent.
 
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HwyChile said:
LOL. You mean the shot where he hits the ground on the other side of the first down marker? Your comment actually applies to every picture shown before my post that clearly shows that the shot was taken too soon and at a bad angle (cherry picked bad facts). The ACTUAL FULL SPEED GAME FILM shows it was a first down.
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You want to ignore the fine work @VFL-82-JP did, but he has several frames in which Warren's leg is on the ground from the thigh down well before the frame you pulled, and from the exact same camera angle as yours.
 
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Skullbone said:
Pfft. They didn't have anything to review. The footage available kind of sucked. And nobody was anywhere around to see it. Had that been Corral running for the 1st down you can bet your murderous fanbase's asses that they would have seen it differently. But it's over now. We're allowed to vent.
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The footage wasn't great, but it was adequate.
 
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bamawriter said:
You want to ignore the fine work @VFL-82-JP did, but he has several frames in which Warren's leg is on the ground from the thigh down well before the frame you pulled, and from the exact same camera angle as yours.
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There is no way his pictures show his knee was down because it was not and it was behind his other leg and shielded from view on the actual game film. Maybe some other view seemed to show that, but again, that is a bad camera angle. His whole body hit the ground at the same time. You can slow the youtube video down and it is easy to see.
 
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HwyChile said:
I don't need to look at "post #57". I looked at the ACTUAL GAME FILM. All these other angles and pictures are wrong. Bad camera angles and wrong time shot. All you have to do is look at the game film. It is not even close.
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I looked at the video replays on Saturday and saw that Warren’s right knee was on the ground at the same time that #35’s right foot was plated a step before he reached the 40 YL. The pics in post #57 simply confirm all that.

BTW, they no longer use film or even video tape anymore.
 
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HwyChile said:
Yes I did. The picture is accurate.
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Oh, it's an accurate picture. Of our player lying on the ground.

What it's not is a picture of that player the instant he was down by first contact with the ground. That happened a good half-second earlier.
 
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Skullbone said:
Maybe, but it looks fuzzy to me. I cannot tell if it's barely touching or not from that. So how did the ref see it from waaaaay back there so certainly without freeze frame close ups? Anyways.
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Oh, it was a bad spot. But the ball was still short of the line to make when Warren’s knee was on the turf.
 
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HwyChile said:
Bad angle. The picture I show clearly shows his waist past the yellow line.
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A bad angle for determining the line to gain, yes. What it did was confirm where he had the ball when he touched down. The point he touched down was easy to see from the original shot.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Oh, it's an accurate picture. Of our player lying on the ground.

What it's not is a picture of that player the instant he was down by first contact with the ground. That happened a good half-second earlier.
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Wrong. It was taken when he hit the ground.
 
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