Phil Steele

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VolBeef, you can always count on VH to paint any situation as grim as possible.

When Steele and those guys write and talk about this season they ASSUME:

UGA's youth on the OL, lack of proven depth at RB, and lack of WR production won't hurt them... AND that they'll blow through a very tough schedule.

UF's D will suddenly be good even without a proven DL or depth at DB.

Aub will magically come up a QB and transition from traditional to spread more quickly and smoothly than UF did.

USC will find an offense when they haven't done it yet even with better returning players.


I don't know. Maybe they read message boards to research which teams have too many weaknesses and which teams are just obviously going to play right past their weakenesses?

My prediction is that UGA loses no less than 3 and probably 4. If UF doesn't lose to UT... I don't think they'll lose. The winner of the west will probably have 3 losses and go to the CG on the tiebreaker.
 
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sjt18 said:
VolBeef, you can always count on VH to paint any situation as grim as possible.

When Steele and those guys write and talk about this season they ASSUME:

UGA's youth on the OL, lack of proven depth at RB, and lack of WR production won't hurt them... AND that they'll blow through a very tough schedule.

UF's D will suddenly be good even without a proven DL or depth at DB.

Aub will magically come up a QB and transition from traditional to spread more quickly and smoothly than UF did.

USC will find an offense when they haven't done it yet even with better returning players.


I don't know. Maybe they read message boards to research which teams have too many weaknesses and which teams are just obviously going to play right past their weakenesses?

My prediction is that UGA loses no less than 3 and probably 4. If UF doesn't lose to UT... I don't think they'll lose. The winner of the west will probably have 3 losses and go to the CG on the tiebreaker.
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while there's some merit in what you're saying here, i think it has more to do with the fact that members of the media trust a Mark Richt or Urban Meyer or Tommy Tubberville right now....i don't know that they have the same faith in CPF right now......right, wrong or indifferent.....the fact they think these teams can play through these perceived weaknesses, is a testament to coaching plus overall talent level. both of which are perceived to be better than TN right now.

i do think GA's schedule is too tough to do what so many think they will. that said, i do think they're good enough to go 10-2 against that tough schedule.

i agree with about Florida. 11-1 is realistic for them. they'll beat GA. and i'm hoping they lose a certain road game in September.
 
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Considering that I was responding to someone who posted that there was no way in Hell South Carolina is beating us (Vols), I think my description of a licking was accurate. Not all "lickings" involve Phillp's posterior and your tounge.
 
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That may be true jake... but I've always hated the "perception = reality" approach of the media.

Facts are that UM didn't coach through his team's weaknesses last year, ended up 3rd in the SECE, and lost to a Michigan team they should have run off the field. Richt? I like the guy but CPF has put two beatdowns in a row on him and won a 3rd game in the last 4 years @ Sanford with two Fr QB's.

I would argue that Richt beat Fulmer when UT had better talent in the early 2000's. OTOH, CPF has beaten MR 3 of the last 4 years with at best equal talent and probably not that... the last two have been decisive. Last year was decisive with probably less talent and a still gimpy QB.

For the first time in awhile, I think UT has a combo of talent and experience that brings them pretty much on par with UF and UGA in talent and experience.
 
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sjt18 said:
That may be true jake... but I've always hated the "perception = reality" approach of the media.

Facts are that UM didn't coach through his team's weaknesses last year, ended up 3rd in the SECE, and lost to a Michigan team they should have run off the field. Richt? I like the guy but CPF has put two beatdowns in a row on him and won a 3rd game in the last 4 years @ Sanford with two Fr QB's.

I would argue that Richt beat Fulmer when UT had better talent in the early 2000's. OTOH, CPF has beaten MR 3 of the last 4 years with at best equal talent and probably not that. For the first time in awhile, I think UT has a combo of talent and experience that brings them pretty much on par with UF and UGA in talent and experience.
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well, all we're able to discuss right now is the percpetion of team A and B......it's all speculation on what we THINK will happen or not happen......

we won't have facts for another 3 months.

and, the thing that shouldn't be lost is that the perception is based on what has happened......and i'll be the first one to say it.....Richt really shouldn't garner all the praise he gets, at least when discussing Georgia and Tennessee.

but agian, that's what perception does for you.....

on the talent issue, i think the gap has closed a little bit between last year and this year....but there's still a gap. but not so much so that we're incapable of winning either game........

so like i said, there's some merit to what you're saying......all that's left is actually going and doing something with what momentum or whatever we supposedly have right now.

at some point......it has to translate in to W's on the field in big games.
 
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VH, USC has beaten UT what twice since joining the SEC in 92?

You want to point to a 16-15 loss in the disaster of 2005 as evidence that USC really has UT's number now?

The simple fact is that Spurrier has demonstrated that he CANNOT routinely beat CPF with any less talent than he had at UF. Alot of people like to act as if Fulmer is the village idiot but the Genius in a Visor doesn't seem to be faring too well of late. Including his last 4 years @ UF, he's gone 3 of 7 against CPF... only 1 of 3 @ USC.
 
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Crazy talk.

I'd like to ask Phil a question. What team in the SEC played in the championship game last season and returns the most starters in the league?
 
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sjt, all I am saying is that losing to SC is not impossible, ergo there is a way in Hell that it can happen. SC is certianly not UF, UGA or LSU but they're not quite a Vandy or KY either. BTW, SC and UTK have the same number of losses over the past three years (Spurrier's tenure).
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
sjt, all I am saying is that losing to SC is not impossible, ergo there is a way in Hell that it can happen. SC is certianly not UF, UGA or LSU but they're not quite a Vandy or KY either. BTW, SC and UTK have the same number of losses over the past three years (Spurrier's tenure).
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I don't believe this is correct.
 
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sjt18 said:
Facts are that UM didn't coach through his team's weaknesses last year, ended up 3rd in the SECE, and lost to a Michigan team they should have run off the field.
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Losing 9 starters on defense, the starting qb, leading rusher, and leading receiver off a National Championship team can tend to do that.

I think they did a good job with the offensive losses, but you just can't expect a team to go to the SEC Championship when you're playing as many freshmen and sophmores as Florida did on defense last year. There's going to be a period of adjustment when you lose that much seniority at once.
 
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Phil Steele is a court jester...I'm more interested in what Lukenbill and proven prognosticators have to say.
 
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How wrong can one person be???


Home ITB Podcasts Phil Steele’s Preseason Top 25
Posted on 2007 under College Football News, Commentary | 4

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Phil Steele always puts out a quality college football magazine, some say (and I agree) that it is the best one out there. Here is his Top 25 for the 2007 season.

1. USC
2. LSU
3. Oklahoma
4. West Virginia
5. Michigan
6. Texas
7. Louisville
8. Florida State
9. Virginia Tech
10. Penn State
11. Georgia
12. Hawaii
13. South Carolina
14. Florida
15. Ohio State
16. Wisconsin
17. Alabama
18. Oregon
19. Missouri
20. Texas A&M
21. UCLA
22. Nebraska
23. TCU
24. South Florida
25. Tennessee
 
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2007 final rankings...Steele wiffed!

AP Top 25
1. LSU (60) 12-2 1,620
2. Georgia (3) 11-2 1,515
3. USC (1) 11-2 1,500
4. Missouri 12-2 1,347
5. Ohio State 11-2 1,346
6. West Virginia 11-2 1,342
7. Kansas (1) 12-1 1,303
8. Oklahoma 11-3 1,139
9. Virginia Tech 11-3 1,096
10. Texas 10-3 962
10. Boston College 11-3 962
12. Tennessee 10-4 904
13. Florida 9-4 685
14. Brigham Young 11-2 654
15. Auburn 9-4 648
16. Arizona State 10-3 587
17. Cincinnati 10-3 566
18. Michigan 9-4 508
19. Hawaii 12-1 460
20. Illinois 9-4 443
21. Clemson 9-4 353
22. Texas Tech 9-4 308
23. Oregon 9-4 253
24. Wisconsin 9-4 202
25. Oregon State 9-4 110
 
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IPorange said:
That is still way closer than I thought, and close enough to still make your point. the difference of two games over 3 years isn't much.
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Well, the 2005 season has sort of skewed the numbers. That was a lot of losses in a one year period to add to the totals. Not that we should get rid of it, but it is something you have to keep in mind when comparing this short a period of time. As far as Fulmer's career is concerned, 2005 is thus far a statistical outlier, and the question now becomes will it happen again with any frequency to concern us?
 
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BJWeeks said:
Phil Steele is on paul finebaum radio show and predicted an 8 and 4 season for Vols losing to florida, georgia, auburn, and south carolina. He said auburn might run table based on their schedule.
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Phil has also mentioned the UAB game as being a trap for the Vols as well.

He isn't the only one thinking this way. I have read it on other sites. here is an article that mentions several potential SEC traps. They mention the Vols having 2.

UAB and the other is N Illinois. Honestly though I dont really know if they mean wins and losses or just cover the spread. Either way it could upset rankings if the Vols barely pull out wins in those matchups.

here is the article.
theFBZ.com
 
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Well, I would agree with the statement that SC is not a team you say there is no way in hell they beat us but we are by any true expert the favorites in that game no matter where we play. It really shows how bad the perception of Fulmer has become. We are clear favorites in all games in IMO, except for Auburn, FL, and GA. Auburn I would say we should be favored but it is close. FL and GA they are and should be the favorites but I like our chances. The reality is there always seems to be a game or two these days we blow. And that is what Steele and Co. are counting on. It may not be Auburn and SC but they feel it will be somebody. I think the new attitude in our team will prevent that this year but we will see. I would go with 10-2 and flip a coin whether that is good enough to get in to SEC champ game. If we lose to Ga and FL then no of course. SC will fight for Bowl again in my opinion. I just see no upside in their program.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Considering that I was responding to someone who posted that there was no way in Hell South Carolina is beating us (Vols), I think my description of a licking was accurate. Not all "lickings" involve Phillp's posterior and your tounge.
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My bad. I assumed you were a thinking person as most thinking people would not consider a last minute 1 point win a licking. You are so filled with hatred that you cannot even enjoy our beloved Vols. Why dont you go jump off of a bridge.
 
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BJWeeks said:
Phil Steele is on paul finebaum radio show and predicted an 8 and 4 season for Vols losing to florida, georgia, auburn, and south carolina. He said auburn might run table based on their schedule.
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Last Season Phil Steele's preview had us as 4th in the East going to the Liberty Bowl, with South Carolina and Georgia tying for first.
 
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Volmania said:
Last Season Phil Steele's preview had us as 4th in the East going to the Liberty Bowl, with South Carolina and Georgia tying for first.
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Sounds like many fans they have a thing for Spurrier. They think he can make water into wine. It just ain't happening. SC will be 4th-5th in SEC east as usual.
 
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BJWeeks said:
Phil Steele is on paul finebaum radio show and predicted an 8 and 4 season for Vols losing to florida, georgia, auburn, and south carolina. He said auburn might run table based on their schedule.
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It's no coincidence that Fulmer has a losing record against all 4 of those head coaches.

I come to accept the reality that no one expects UT to win the SEC in the preseason. Everyone goes with the safe bet, either Meyer or Richt.
 
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