Phil Steele Countdown: #7 TENNESSEE

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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
There hasnt been a team this talented since the 2008-09 Florida Gators. And unlike the 09 Gators we're hungry to prove ourselves.

I think yall will be surprised by how much better this team is than the experts think.
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So this team is more talented then all of Sabans teams that are loaded with the best recruits in the country for the last 6 years straight? Good. Freaking. Grief.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
So this team is more talented then all of Sabans teams that are loaded with the best recruits in the country for the last 6 years straight? Good. Freaking. Grief.
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Look at the NFL. Only 1 former crimson tide player (Julio Jones) made the NFL Network Top 100 players. Teams like Georgia and LSU had 5-6 players respectively. Even we had one player make the list (Eric Berry).

Saban's players don't translate well to the NFL. They typically bust (see Trent Richardson).

Saban is more of a great coach than someone who just out-talents the opposition.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Absolutely. Unless significant injuries happen, 9-3 will be a failure. This team is one of the most talented in the country.
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I agree. To lose 3, I would be disappointed. And would want some answers to some very pointed questions.

So coach did you let up off the gas?
Did you ever get rattled ?

Of course I expect for the team come out swinging and just demolish each and every opponent.

We'll be back in the high life again.

See you in Tampa.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Look at the NFL. Only 1 former crimson tide player (Julio Jones) made the NFL Network Top 100 players. Teams like Georgia and LSU had 5-6 players respectively. Even we had one player make the list (Eric Berry).

Saban's players don't translate well to the NFL. They typically bust (see Trent Richardson).

Saban is more of a great coach than someone who just our-talents the opposition.
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What? How many #1 classes has he had at Alabama? Your assertions are just wacko.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Look at the NFL. Only 1 former crimson tide player (Julio Jones) made the NFL Network Top 100 players. Teams like Georgia and LSU had 5-6 players respectively. Even we had one player make the list (Eric Berry).

Saban's players don't translate well to the NFL. They typically bust (see Trent Richardson).

Saban is more of a great coach than someone who just our-talents the opposition.
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We are not talking about NFL success. We are only discussing college football. So your NFL comparisons are worthless. That being said, how could any team in the country be more talented than a school that has recruited better talent than anyone else for the past 6 years?
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
We are not talking about NFL success. We are only discussing college football. So your NFL comparisons are worthless. That being said, how could any team in the country be more talented than a school that has recruited better talent than anyone else for the past 6 years?
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I know! I know! Experience!
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
We are not talking about NFL success. We are only discussing college football. So your NFL comparisons are worthless. That being said, how could any team in the country be more talented than a school that has recruited better talent than anyone else for the past 6 years?
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In D4H's world, players are either elite NFL prospects, or garbage.

Just ignore him here.
 
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fade route said:
Since you're a known and confessed fair-weather fan, I wonder how many on here will be rooting for us to lose early in the year just so you will go away? I'm not going to root for us to lose but will certainly ease the sting knowing you will quickly drop UT football by that Sunday morning after a loss.
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You pretty much always root for us to lose....
 
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MustafaRasta said:
Alabama ONLY has 55 players currently in the NFL. Yet ONLY one in the top 100. This proves that D4H is righ....ah eff it. :crazy:
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Yeah, but the average players they put into the league don't count, because they're not elite. Therefore they are garbage and busts and might as well not exist.
 
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ReaderVol said:
What? How many #1 classes has he had at Alabama? Your assertions are just wacko.
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The failure of Alabama players in the NFL shows that their teams don't necessarily have the best top end talent in college football.

Just because you have the #1 rated class doesn't make it the best.

For example, Alabama had the #1 rated class in 2013 and it produced only 2 second round picks last year (Derrick Henry and A'Shawn Robinson). Ohio State's class was rated #2 but has so far proven to be much superior. They had 4 players taken in the 1st round (Joey Bosa, Ezekiel Elliot, Eli Apple, and Darron Lee) and another one in the second round (Von Bell).

4 first rounders and 1 second rounder produced by the #2 rated class vs 2 second rounders in the #1 rated class.

This shows that recruiting rankings don't exactly match up with actual talent.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
We are not talking about NFL success. We are only discussing college football. So your NFL comparisons are worthless. That being said, how could any team in the country be more talented than a school that has recruited better talent than anyone else for the past 6 years?
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Alabama's recruiting success gives them more solid players than any other program in college football. However, having the #1 rated class doesn't guarantee you have the best top end talent.

Just look at my last post detailing the difference in success so far between Ohio State's 2013 class and Alabama's 2013 class. Alabama was #1 and Ohio State was #2. But as of right now the gap between them is mammoth in the #2 rated teams favor.

Ohio State's 2013 class produced FOUR first rounders in 2016 (all selected in the top 20 picks).

Alabama? ZERO.

The best players from Alabama's 2013 class (Derrick Henry and A'Shawn Robinson) went in the second round. The same place Ohio State's 5th best player from that class (Von Bell) went.

Thus, just because you have the #1 rated class doesn't mean you signed the best players.
 
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How many NCAA National Championships, though...Junior?

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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
The failure of Alabama players in the NFL shows that their teams don't necessarily have the best top end talent in college football.

Just because you have the #1 rated class doesn't make it the best.

For example, Alabama had the #1 rated class in 2013 and it produced only 2 second round picks last year (Derrick Henry and A'Shawn Robinson). Ohio State's class was rated #2 but has so far proven to be much superior. They had 4 players taken in the 1st round (Joey Bosa, Ezekiel Elliot, Eli Apple, and Darron Lee) and another one in the second round (Von Bell).

4 first rounders and 1 second rounder produced by the #2 rated class vs 2 second rounders in the #1 rated class.

This shows that recruiting rankings don't exactly match up with actual talent.
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And what do the 4 Collegiate National Titles the last 7 years say about the talent in those recruiting classes?
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Its tells me Nick Saban is a damn good head coach.
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While Saban has his "go for it" moments, he's also seen as one of the most conservative coaches. You know, the other thing you're always griping about.

It's not a single argument you make, it's the fact that you're a walking contradiction according to which discussion you're in.

Edit: maybe we should leave this discussion, where the talent isn't as important, and go back to the rf where it's only about who has the most talent.
If I ever get bored enough, I'm going to multi quote you and just let you have a debate with yourself.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Some on these boards say it will be impossible to get to Atlanta with 2 regular season losses. It won't, not necessarily.

But it will be next to impossible to get to the national playoffs with 2 losses. Even as SEC champs. There will usually be at least four Power 5 teams with 0 or 1 loss, all ranked in the Top 5, at least a few of them with conference champion titles of their own; those will get the nod before any 2-loss team. Even the SEC champ.
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10-2 wouldn't be the traditional route, agreed. but you win the SEC, 11-2 and you've possibly beaten LSU, Bama, GA and/or FL, aTm....who could all be fairly highly ranked teams at the end of the season...

anyway...i'll just say it's not next to impossible, but you're correct....we'd need a little help. the teams we beat need to do well enough afterward, and there would need to be some turmoil in at least one of the other power 5 conferences.

the good news, we'll start the season high enough, that the jump to the top 4 at the end may not be as great as it was for a team, say, like UNC last year.....

anywho...let's beat FL. get to ATL and see what happens.:thumbsup:
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Its tells me Nick Saban is a damn good head coach.
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He is indeed. But he ain't doing it with smoke and mirrors. He gets the best highschool talent every year and then goes and win titles with it. And as good as he is, if he didn't have all that outstanding talent, he wouldn't win championships....period.
 
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CNS, CDS, CJF, CUM etc.....the way these guys recruit....the difference it gives them over almost every other coach is a wider margin of error. the volume of talent they get to come to their campuses allows them a) to be aggressive in a controlled manner b) be more conservative, less risky c) with stand injury better than most

are these guys all good coaches? sure are.

but they aren't perfect. Saban didn't win big at MSU, nor did he do any great things at the Dolphins. Urban Meyer was very good at Utah, but he didn't dominate college football like he did at FL. Dabo lost, what, 4 in a row to South Carolina, and couldn't get over the hump against FSU.

what gets them all over the hump and showcases their ability to coach, is having all that talent. conversely, you take a Phil Fulmer or Mark Richt, both good coaches, both had great talent over the course of their tenures, but neither are considered to be on the lists with the Sahans or Meyers of the world. because they couldn't showcase their ability as a coach the way those guys have.

so to say it's one or the other or else...is wrong. talent alone doesn't do it, nor does being the greatest coach ever.
 
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chargervol said:
While Saban has his "go for it" moments, he's also seen as one of the most conservative coaches. You know, the other thing you're always griping about.

It's not a single argument you make, it's the fact that you're a walking contradiction according to which discussion you're in.

Edit: maybe we should leave this discussion, where the talent isn't as important, and go back to the rf where it's only about who has the most talent.
If I ever get bored enough, I'm going to multi quote you and just let you have a debate with yourself.
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Perfectly done Charge. He is a walking contradiction indeed. On one hand it's all about talent, can't do anything with out it, nothing else matters....while on the other, Saban, despite #1 recruiting class after #1 recruiting class after #1 recruiting class really doesn't have that much talent, he just wins all those titles cause "he's a good coach".

You can't make this stuff up.....unless you're D4H.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
The failure of Alabama players in the NFL shows that their teams don't necessarily have the best top end talent in college football.

Just because you have the #1 rated class doesn't make it the best.

For example, Alabama had the #1 rated class in 2013 and it produced only 2 second round picks last year (Derrick Henry and A'Shawn Robinson). Ohio State's class was rated #2 but has so far proven to be much superior. They had 4 players taken in the 1st round (Joey Bosa, Ezekiel Elliot, Eli Apple, and Darron Lee) and another one in the second round (Von Bell).

4 first rounders and 1 second rounder produced by the #2 rated class vs 2 second rounders in the #1 rated class.

This shows that recruiting rankings don't exactly match up with actual talent.
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Bama's NFL "failure" currently has them with 54 players on NFL rosters. More than any other school in the country. Making an NFL roster requires great talent, regardless if you're in the top 100 list or not.
 
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